Luke you're clueless in your response.
I'm talking about my thread title being changed
Mr. Clueless, just look at the thread title of Pieter Boelen's Raiders of the Lost ark rating poll.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 06:24 PM
Mr. Clueless, just look at the thread title of Pieter Boelen's Raiders of the Lost ark rating poll.
I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 07:46 PM
no its news, if the film is dead, thats news. And if Spielbergs clout is reduced that too is news.What you wrote isn't news but sheer lurid tabloidism.
It's not about being among my favorites or the people's favorites. A new score by John Williams will be always better than nothing.
Interesting notions on journalism. If your criteria was more popular, I might as well give up my job and move to a farm in Iowa.
Also, what movies would you prefer Spielberg to make, Joe?
One of these days some studio is going to look at Steven and say, "you know Steve you're making hits but we're not seeing the same returns. The studio feels we need to step in and make some changes to your film. Dump Williams and get some more contemporary hip composer and then here are some other changes...." etc etc etc
Spielberg, the man that sticks by the expensive decision of editing a film without a computer, dropping Williams out of studio pressure?
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 07:56 PM
You do know studios have stepped in and taken the films out of directors hands before, making changes at their will.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 07:59 PM
Tom, if Spielberg's clout is diminished, how is that not news, and if Lincoln isn't being made isn't that also news.
I'd rather SS make Interstellar. I'd rather he stick to more lighter movies and let other directors make serious stuff. As I've said repeatedly the Lincoln story just isn't that interesting to me. If he ends up making it, I will see it once, and find it to be like his other serious films, seriously flawed.
I'd rather SS make Interstellar. I'd rather he stick to more lighter movies and let other directors make serious stuff. As I've said repeatedly the Lincoln story just isn't that interesting to me. If he ends up making it, I will see it once, and find it to be like his other serious films, seriously flawed.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:17 PM
Tom, if Spielberg's clout is diminished, how is that not news, and if Lincoln isn't being made isn't that also news.
I'd rather SS make Interstellar. I'd rather he stick to more lighter movies and let other directors make serious stuff. As I've said repeatedly the Lincoln story just isn't that interesting to me. If he ends up making it, I will see it once, and find it to be like his other serious films, seriously flawed.
I dont know where your hopes lie, but interstellar is not going to be popcork Raiders. Its going to be like AI, Minority report, War of the Worlds, etc.
Popcorn movie with some drama and things to think about.
I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:24 PM
Luke, I liked MR and WotW, remember. Neil and I are two of WotW's biggest supporters on this board.
and look at Peiter's thread Raiders of the Lost Ark, Ricard was the one who corrected it, I figure he or Marc changed this one.
and look at Peiter's thread Raiders of the Lost Ark, Ricard was the one who corrected it, I figure he or Marc changed this one.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:33 PM
You do know studios have stepped in and taken the films out of directors hands before, making changes at their will.
This is Spielberg we're talking about. Even in the sci-fi scenario of the industry not respecting him anymore where couldn't even get distribution for films he would (cause he could) finance himself, there are many things to change about his filmmaking style before touching the scores. I mean, of all the worries.
Tom, if Spielberg's clout is diminished, how is that not news, and if Lincoln isn't being made isn't that also news.
Well, what you quoted as news were not facts, and they were not contrasted with several sources -- they were the conclusions of an analysis from an economic website (especially the subjective assessment as "Spielberg's clout is diminished"). Which is a well-written article, but nowhere does it use the forcefulness you employed in your announcements of the news. If the delivery doesn't affect the information you announce, I don't even know why there's a media industry.
I'd rather SS make Interstellar. I'd rather he stick to more lighter movies and let other directors make serious stuff. As I've said repeatedly the Lincoln story just isn't that interesting to me. If he ends up making it, I will see it once, and find it to be like his other serious films, seriously flawed.
I see. But you got War of the Worlds and Indy IV already.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:40 PM
Tom, if Spielberg's clout is diminished, how is that not news, and if Lincoln isn't being made isn't that also news.
I'd rather SS make Interstellar. I'd rather he stick to more lighter movies and let other directors make serious stuff. As I've said repeatedly the Lincoln story just isn't that interesting to me. If he ends up making it, I will see it once, and find it to be like his other serious films, seriously flawed.
How the hell is 'losing his clout' news? That's your opinion of Spielberg's output.
Although I do happen to agree with it. Spielberg is one of the few artists whose earlier work I enjoy far, far more. The more I watch Indy 4, the worse it gets.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:56 PM
Spielberg's maturation as a filmaker is both good and bad. In one sense it's allowed him to tackle subject matters he never would have done early in his career but it's also taken some of the fun out of him as well.
When I hear him say he could never make CE3K today because he allowed Neary to leave his family or when he removes guns and replaces them with radios I thank the film gods that he made those films when he did.
If he were to do Jaws today the Alex Kitner sequence may have never been filmed.
I somehow get the feeling you really don't understand the point I'm making.
When a film is deemed by the studios to be in need of some possible changes, the score is usually the first thing to get replaced. This isn't some made up idea, it's been discussed by people who know far more than I do about making films.
My biggest fear is that one day Spielberg will be in that situation, it's happened to other worthy directors. And studio heads will prevail with imposing changes on a film he is making or take the film out of his hands.
When I hear him say he could never make CE3K today because he allowed Neary to leave his family or when he removes guns and replaces them with radios I thank the film gods that he made those films when he did.
If he were to do Jaws today the Alex Kitner sequence may have never been filmed.
This is Spielberg we're talking about. Even in the sci-fi scenario of the industry not respecting him anymore where couldn't even get distribution for films he would (cause he could) finance himself, there are many things to change about his filmmaking style before touching the scores. I mean, of all the worries.
I somehow get the feeling you really don't understand the point I'm making.
When a film is deemed by the studios to be in need of some possible changes, the score is usually the first thing to get replaced. This isn't some made up idea, it's been discussed by people who know far more than I do about making films.
My biggest fear is that one day Spielberg will be in that situation, it's happened to other worthy directors. And studio heads will prevail with imposing changes on a film he is making or take the film out of his hands.
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I get your point, but I still maintain that nobody forces changes into a Spielberg film (unless Lucas is producing), and that's not going to change anytime soon.
You can add the "shooting the swordsman" gag from Raiders to the list. Yeah, what you say here is totally true. However, I don't think that change is a tragedy at all - we used to get one type of movie from him and now we're getting a fresh new angle without anyone taking the previous movies away from us. Sounds great to me.
This also applies to Joe's signature.
Spielberg's maturation as a filmaker is both good and bad. In one sense it's allowed him to tackle subject matters he never would have done early in his career but it's also taken some of the fun out of him as well.
When I hear him say he could never make CE3K today because he allowed Neary to leave his family or when he removes guns and replaces them with radios I thank the film gods that he made those films when he did.
If he were to do Jaws today the Alex Kitner sequence may have never been filmed.
You can add the "shooting the swordsman" gag from Raiders to the list. Yeah, what you say here is totally true. However, I don't think that change is a tragedy at all - we used to get one type of movie from him and now we're getting a fresh new angle without anyone taking the previous movies away from us. Sounds great to me.
This also applies to Joe's signature.
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Tom, if Spielberg's clout is diminished, how is that not news, and if Lincoln isn't being made isn't that also news.
I'd rather SS make Interstellar. I'd rather he stick to more lighter movies and let other directors make serious stuff. As I've said repeatedly the Lincoln story just isn't that interesting to me. If he ends up making it, I will see it once, and find it to be like his other serious films, seriously flawed.
How the hell is 'losing his clout' news? That's your opinion of Spielberg's output.
Although I do happen to agree with it. Spielberg is one of the few artists whose earlier work I enjoy far, far more. The more I watch Indy 4, the worse it gets.
oh your right, the once most successful and powerful director in the world not being the most powerful anymore isn't news, no....
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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I get your point, but I still maintain that nobody forces changes into a Spielberg film (unless Lucas is producing), and that's not going to change anytime soon.
And I hope that continues, his relationship with Williams is something I treasure.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 09:20 PM
oh your right, the once most successful and powerful director in the world not being the most powerful anymore isn't news, no....
You got that assesment from somebody's opinion in an economic magazine. You said he had "diminished his clout", without ever describing what position you were comparing the present to. Or without even saying why this happened, or how long was it likely to remain diminished. Very few people can truthfully measure Spielberg's clout (for, how do you, in fact, measure a clout?). What you posted was your interpretation of somebody's analysis. Only hard facts are news.
I could easily post this list that Entertainment Weekly published this week, where Spielberg is named "the most talented, in-demand filmmaker behind the camera today" as pass it off as news with as much validity as your original announcement
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 09:26 PM
Indeed.
Opinion vs fact again Joey. Or do we need to repeat that class?
Opinion vs fact again Joey. Or do we need to repeat that class?
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Never was really interested in this pic. I read the article, what a trouble going on in Hollywood. 
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of those only War of the Worlds was a blockbuster, the other films were bombs at the US boxoffice.
Since SPR he's only had 3 films that were very successful and one marginally successful, the rest did poorly.
box office isn't everything
I'd rather SS make Interstellar. I'd rather he stick to more lighter movies and let other directors make serious stuff. As I've said repeatedly the Lincoln story just isn't that interesting to me. If he ends up making it, I will see it once, and find it to be like his other serious films, seriously flawed.
Please explain how Schindler's List, Amistad, Munch and Saving Private Ryan are seriously flawed? Did you see the same versions of those movies I saw?
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you're being obtuse arn't you? If the man can't get it done then its news, not opinion. The mere fact that he had to go begging is a sign of his diminish clout. If anyone else had said it you'd be in complete agreement but because I said it....Indeed.
Opinion vs fact again Joey. Or do we need to repeat that class?
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 09:39 PM
box office isn't everything
No it isn't.
But losing/making money is, even more so now.
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If the man can't get it done then its news, not opinion.
Correct.
The mere fact that he had to go begging is a sign of his diminish clout.
Opinion.
If anyone else had said it you'd be in complete agreement but because I said it....
Incorrect fact.
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It would be better than Michael Bay, that's for sure.Frankly I'd rather see Spileberg take the reigns and direct a summer "B" film like Transformers.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 09:48 PM
put the pipe down Tom, if the man goes begging, which he did, its a sign his clout is dimished.
15 years ago who'd beleive that Spielberg could not get 50 million dollars to make a movie.
He should take a lesson from Durabont, and make Lincoln down and dirty like Frank did the Mist.
15 years ago who'd beleive that Spielberg could not get 50 million dollars to make a movie.
He should take a lesson from Durabont, and make Lincoln down and dirty like Frank did the Mist.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 09:57 PM
put the pipe down Tom, if the man goes begging, which he did, its a sign his clout is dimished.
15 years ago who'd beleive that Spielberg could not get 50 million dollars to make a movie.
He should take a lesson from Durabont, and make Lincoln down and dirty like Frank did the Mist.
Maybe it's just time for him to retire.
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Get over yourself
Sorry, I didn't realize I was full of myself over this.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 10:19 PM
put the pipe down Tom, if the man goes begging, which he did, its a sign his clout is dimished.
15 years ago who'd beleive that Spielberg could not get 50 million dollars to make a movie.
15 years ago, Spielberg was still making safe choices, like Hook, or Jurassic Park. And his movies were not being used a pawns in a game between studios like now.
Again, I could say that "Universal is so broke they won't even finance Spielberg's movie" based on the same information as you. Both interpretations would be, as interpretations very often are, wrong.
BTW, that's a cool representation of me in your sig.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 10:45 PM
Joe says the sky is blue, Luke says technically its azure, Tom says well its gray here, Datameister says its spelled bleu.
Isnt it just shades of cyan in the end? (well except tom's color)I dont think we are in the same wagon
But i suppose you just wanted to call me nitpicker
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I think they need to film a biopic about William Henry Harrison in the style of 24, in real-time. I think his presidency was short enough that it just might work.
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No I think Mark and I have been right and that Spielberg doesn't get the automatic pass he once did, and the fact that Dreamworks has basically failed doesn't say much good.
Now that is an opinion and not news.
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Hey, this is a message board. You want facts, go to Wikipedia.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 11:53 PM
I wonder when that will actually happen, like when Hitchcock was being told he was old news and subsequently got rid of Herrmann. The only reason it hasn't happened to Lucas is that Lucas financed his own movies; he set himself up to be such a godfigure that no one could tell him "Dude, you ain't got it no more."One of these days some studio is going to look at Steven and say, "you know Steve you're making hits but we're not seeing the same returns. The studio feels we need to step in and make some changes to your film. Dump Williams and get some more contemporary hip composer and then here are some other changes...." etc etc etc
That is why I say what I say.
Frankly I'd rather see Spileberg take the reigns and direct a summer "B" film like Transformers.
Eww. Then Spielberg, shunned by the studios, turns to his old friend GL to finance his films. With GL giving him creative input. Ewwwwwwwww....... Never. Anything but that. Retire or something before that.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:12 AM
did you guys know that Spielberg's take from Universal Studios in Florida is upwards of 50 million dollars.
Why doesn't he finance it himself.
Why doesn't he finance it himself.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:30 AM
Fifteen years ago we weren't entering a severe financial crisis.put the pipe down Tom, if the man goes begging, which he did, its a sign his clout is dimished.
15 years ago who'd beleive that Spielberg could not get 50 million dollars to make a movie.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:32 AM
doesn't seem to have affected the boxoffice Henry,Fifteen years ago we weren't entering a severe financial crisis.put the pipe down Tom, if the man goes begging, which he did, its a sign his clout is dimished.
15 years ago who'd beleive that Spielberg could not get 50 million dollars to make a movie.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:34 AM
Um, this whole thread is mainly about how box office doesn't matter.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:40 AM
no Koray it hasn't been.Um, this whole thread is mainly about how box office doesn't matter.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:47 AM
Considering all the talk about box office grosses and production costs, and Blum's points about box office not being the source of profit after taking all other factors in consideration, yeah it is.
What has it been mainly about for you, Joey? Bashing Spielberg and Williams?
What has it been mainly about for you, Joey? Bashing Spielberg and Williams?
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:51 AM
leave it to you Koray to get it wrong, Blume has 3 posts out of 99. No the thread hasn't been about the boxoffice, it has been about clout and those that agree with Me and Mark that Spielberg's is not what is was.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 12:56 AM
I'd like to see some figures proving that the economic crisis is having no effect on Hollywood and that Spielberg can't get Lincoln made purely because of his "diminishing clout."
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Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:22 AM
Joe said it. I mean really, what more do you need?I'd like to see some figures proving that the economic crisis is having no effect on Hollywood and that Spielberg can't get Lincoln made purely because of his "diminishing clout."
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