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[sulky]

Here are some additional edit points for the Empire 2-LP assembly:

1. MAIN TITLE
SE CD 1 Track 2 (0:00-2:30)
+ SE CD 1 Track 2 (2:42-3:45)
Mix in SE CD 1 Track 10 (3:16-5:22)
+ SE CD 1 Track 10 (5:26-End)

3. THE HEROICS OF LUKE AND HAN
SE CD 1 Track 3 (0:00-1:39)
+ SE CD 1 Track 3 (1:49-2:33)
+ SE CD 1 Track 3 (3:00-3:28)
Mix in SE CD 1 Track 5 (11:42-End)

6. DEPARTURE OF BOBA FETT
SE CD 2 Track 9 (8:27-9:13)
+ SE CD 2 Track 9 (9:28-11:39)
Mix in SE CD 2 Track 7 (3:33-End)

11. THE CITY IN THE CLOUDS
SE CD 1 Track 10 (0:00-2:05)
Mix in SE CD 2 Track 3 (1:15-3:21)
+ SE CD 2 Track 3 (3:45-End)

12. REBELS AT BAY
SE CD 1 Track 3 (6:57-End)
Mix in SE CD 1 Track 5 (7:39-8:10)
+ SE CD 1 Track 5 (8:38-11:42)

17. FINALE
SE CD 2 Track 12 (0:00-3:55)
Mix in SE CD 2 Track 1 (1:48-2:25)
+ SE CD 2 Track 12 (4:31-End)

[robthehand]

Thanks!

[DarkLord89]

The OT scores are such a wonderful musical world to explore... It's been 3 or 4 years now since I bought them (my 2nd, 3rd and 4th score bought, the first was TPM OST) and still I don't know everything of them...

[lordskylark]

The Cue "The Tractor Beam" according to the SE booklet says that the cue was originally titled "Ben Creeps Around" on Williams' score.

~Sky

[lordskylark]

Actually....according to the SE...the cue title on Williams' score is called just "The Little People" without the 'work' part on it

The only ones listed in the SE that they mention the original cues are:
The Little People
Is it a Bird?
Ben Creeps Around
The Swashbucklers


They didn't list any score sheet titles in Empire or Jedi either.

~SKy

[ridan]

The Anthology files for ESB and ANH are on the FT.P now.

[VadersQuest]

Awesome. Thanks man. Do you plan on uploading the stuff from Anthology CD 4 as well?

[Vaderbait1]

So I'm confused her. I haven't been following the thread, and reading it through now, it isn't exactly explained.

ROTJ is a complete score as it was scored or as it was heard in the film?

ESB is a complete score or just making a CD that already exists with higher sound quality?

ANH is a complete score, as it appears in film, or re-creating a CD that already exists?

[ridan]

Awesome. Thanks man. Do you plan on uploading the stuff from Anthology CD 4 as well?

I didn't upload them. Cerrabore did. He announced it in the Prequel thread, and I remembered this thread.

[robthehand]

So I'm confused here.

OK:

Star Wars CD Breakdown and Complete Cue List is a list of all the cues recorded for the films. In many cases the Special Edition combined cues together, and this list just explains where all the edits are.

Star Wars: Assembling the original release is how to rearrange the tracks into the order that Williams had them on the original 2-LP set. In some ways the music flows better - and some people even prefer it to the complete release. Unfortunately the quality on the original CD release was... pretty bad.

The Empire Strikes Back complete cue list is just that - each cue written for the film.

Then there is a "assembling the original release" for Empire.

Empire Film Mix-Only Complete Score is the complete score to the film, using only the "proper" mixes. The cues were mixed very badly for the special edition, but they are in higher quality. This is for the people who take mix over quality, if you like.

Return of the Jedi complete score. This is the complete score to Jedi, including cues left off the special edition. In this case the special edition sound quality was inferior (by quite a lot) to the 1993 anthology release. This replaces SE cues with their anthology counterparts, when they are available.

[VadersQuest]

Awesome. Thanks man. Do you plan on uploading the stuff from Anthology CD 4 as well?

I didn't upload them. Cerrabore did. He announced it in the Prequel thread, and I remembered this thread.

Oh alright.

[VadersQuest]

I'm confused. From where do I mix this into the Anthology file?

2. MAIN TITLE/APPROACHING THE DEATH STAR/TATOOINE RENDEZVOUS
Anthology Disc 3 Track 2
Mix in: SE Disc 1 Track 2 (5:15-end)

and this:

5. THE BATTLE OF HOTH
SE Disc 1 Track 5 (0:00-4:00)
+ Anthology Disc 4 Track 6 (3:58-end)
at 4:00 (in anthology track), add Anthology Disc 2 Track 6
at 3:37 (in anthology track), add Anthology Disc 2 Track 7
at 4:03 (in anthology track), add Anthology Disc 2 Track 8 (0:00-2:05) [I'm confused about doing this]
+ SE Disc 1 Track 5 (13:47-13:49) [this segment is the Risner remix]
+ Anthology Disc 2 Track 8 (2:05-end)

[robthehand]

I'm confused. From where do I mix this into the Anthology file?

2. MAIN TITLE/APPROACHING THE DEATH STAR/TATOOINE RENDEZVOUS  
Anthology Disc 3 Track 2  
Mix in: SE Disc 1 Track 2 (5:15-end)

Just enough so that there's no silence. That particular edit was never used in the film, so it's up to you I guess!

and this:

5. THE BATTLE OF HOTH  
SE Disc 1 Track 5 (0:00-4:00)  
+ Anthology Disc 4 Track 6 (3:58-end)  
at 4:00 (in anthology track), add Anthology Disc 2 Track 6  
at 3:37 (in anthology track), add Anthology Disc 2 Track 7  
at 4:03 (in anthology track), add Anthology Disc 2 Track 8 (0:00-2:05) [I'm confused about doing this]  
+ SE Disc 1 Track 5 (13:47-13:49) [this segment is the Risner remix]  
+ Anthology Disc 2 Track 8 (2:05-end)

The first edit isn't a mix, more of an "add". You just cut from one to the other. As for the others, just mix in the next track at the place I have said. You might like to do it in reverse order, in which case you would do:

Anthology Disc 2 Track 8 (0:00-2:05)
+ SE Disc 1 Track 5 (13:47-13:49)
+ Anthology Disc 2 Track 8 (2:05-end)

Then load up Anthology Disc 2 Track 7. At 4:03 in that track, paste the track you just edited. Then load up track 6. At 3:37, paste the combo of track 7 + the extended track 8. Etc.

(PM me if you need more help )


Thanks to Cerrabore, all the anthology files are now up on the FTP.

[Vaderbait1]

Which scores would you guys recommend? I know that all edits of ESB I've heard before aren't really listenable, but ANH's tend to be the same, if not better, than the official releases.

What's your opinion on which versions are the better version? I'm going to attempt an ROTJ edit, but probably not the ESB one.

[robthehand]

Unless mixes really bother you, stick with the SE for Empire. I wouldn't hesistate to recommend editing Jedi though.

[Henry Buck]

I prefer the Empire SE as well. It's much clearer than the properly-mixed Anthology, unfortunately.

[robthehand]

I know Shawn Murphy is generally hated around here, but IMO the cues from Empire on the "Musical Journey" DVD sound excellent.

[Vaderbait1]

Also, I'm assuming the several times in Jedi that it says Anthology Disc 1 Track #, actually means Disc THREE?

[robthehand]

Shows up as three the number for me.

[Stefancos]

I know Shawn Murphy is generally hated around here,

GRRRRRRRR...Murphy!!!!

I HATE HIM SO MUCH...GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

[robthehand]

GRRRRRRRR...Murphy!!!!

I HATE HIM SO MUCH...GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

What in particular about his work?

[Stefancos]

GRRRRRR...MURPHY...GNAWING, BITING, SMASHING, HACKING, BURNING! [Stefancos- doing more GRRRRRing and gnashing of teeth]

[robthehand]

Would a dose of Tomlinson mixes cure you?

[Stefancos]

No man, i'll be needing some Botnick.

[Vaderbait1]

This could be a pretty nice 11-disc set. If only Sony (isn't that who has the rights?) would put out something like this. That's a lot of discs...In fact, there are so many different versions of Star Wars scores out there I'm having trouble deciding what I want to do with them. I figure I'd replace the ANH SE, keep the ESB SE, replace the ROTJ one, and have the expanded Prequel scores in addition to the original releases, since those have some nice arrangements. So many discs...

[robthehand]

Nearly as many as the talked-about James Bond 40-disc DVD set. LOL

[Trent Bennett]

Actually it would be a 12 disc set for the Star Wars scores.

[robthehand]

Not necessarily - AotC still fits on one disc.

[Luke Skywalker]

Not necessarily - AotC still fits on one disc.  

Is was said to have two hour of recorded music.

Sure it has more than 90 minutes.

Now Star wars, that is the one almost fitting one CD.

[Vaderbait1]

Actually it would be a 12 disc set for the Star Wars scores.

Well, AOTC and ANH fit on one disc each. I was just judging from the music that we have available right now.

TPM - 2 Discs
AOTC - 1 Disc
ROTS - 2 Discs
ANH - 1 Disc
ESB - 2 Discs
ROTJ - 2 Discs
Bonus and Alternates - 1 Disc

= 11 Discs.

[robthehand]

ANH - 1 Disc

Really? That's leaving off the Cantina Bands, right?

[Stefancos]

That's sacrilige!

[Vaderbait1]

Yes, that's leaving off the alternates and Cantina Music (to be placed on an extra "Bonus" disc). THat's on an edit I toyed with a long time ago. Looking at the cue list for ANH, do all of those have clean endings and beginnings? I know a lot of them do, but do all of them?

[robthehand]

No, a lot of them don't.

[Delorean90]

I know Shawn Murphy is generally     d around here, but IMO the cues from Empire on the "Musical Journey" DVD sound excellent.

Yeah. It was pretty cool how he actually went in and fixed that edited cymbal crash in "The Imperial March."

Thanks for all the work Rob! I've started on ROTJ, and I'm loving it!

[Trent Bennett]

Can you guys tell me the exact time where the edit takes place in the Imperial March cue on the CD's???

[robthehand]

If I remember correctly it's at about 2:42. I'll check it on the CD later.

[Luke Skywalker]

Dont check it or you will hear it forever!

[robthehand]

Too true. Maybe I should invisitext it.

[Delorean90]

Extract from a review of the TPM ultimate edition:
You won't be disappointed.

LOL

Rob, I love your signatures. Where did you find that one?