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But it is mine. Superman's foundation has been set for a very long time.

 

I understand it was something the Fleischer cartoons started to prop sprites when the gloom of war was hitting American shores.  And I don't disagree it was a vital part of the character for a long time.

 

However, if you've picked up a comic anytime in the past twenty years, you would realize that Superman isn't so undeveloped as he was.  Since the end of the Cold War, writers have taken the opportunity to explore different aspects of Superman and explore the fact that he is an alien, and one who doesn't always agree with the way that humans act. As previously mentioned, there was even a story where Big Blue abdicated his citizenship which caused quite a controversy but did enable some new insights from a character that is over seventy years old. 

 

The simple fact is, Superman has by and large been portrayed as a defender of America, but in actuality he is a defender of all mankind.  We've had plenty of examples of his pride in his home country over the years, but quite honestly I hope that's all left out of the new film. A scene where maybe he straightens the flag would be nice, but something as blatant as the end of Superman 2 would seem insincere in this day and age.  That kind of display is out of touch with the way the world is now, and not concurrent with the character at this point.

 

During WW2, the phrase "truth, justice, and the American way" was created as a rallying cry to unite Americans.  With the current landscape of the world, a world which is smaller than its ever been, Superman can be used to unite all mankind and portray how great humans of all nationalities can be, not just as some sort of inclusive cheer which it has become over the years. If the filmmakers attempt to tackle such a subject I would be incredibly pleased and it honestly seems like the next logical step for the character to take on the big screen.

http://www.superhero...-oblivion-score

 

 

Here's a link to a track from Joseph Kosinski's new film.  Being a big fan of Tron Legacy, I was interested to hear what was going on with this film, and it seems to have a similar vibe.  Figured some here would be interested so here you go.

 

 

we're not talking the comics we're talking about a film, and to call it simplistic is simplistic on your part.

Sorry to bring this back after a few days, but I have to say my piece.  Not trying to start a fight, just want to further expand on my views.

I grew up watching Superman for the last twenty-five years.  I think its still a great film and definitely set a trend which continues to be followed, most notably very closely structurally in the Spider-Man movies.  That being said, having become more exposed to Superman in his original media, comic books, I see it as a way to portray Superman in a very basic way without really getting into much depth.  Clark Kent is not a bumbling idiot, he's a competent reporter who is average in just about every way.  He doesn't stand out as to not draw attention to himself, and this is completely differently portrayed in the original film than in every other media.  Reeves performance is great, but he's hardly the definitive Clark Kent.  After all, Clark is just as much of his personality as Superman is, so to get half of that wrong really bugs me nowadays.

As for the film itself, the motivations for Clark becoming Superman are very minimal.  For a film pushing two and a half hours, it does very little to actually give motivation to Clark to become Superman.  Yes, his father gives him a speech about responsibility and having a purpose, but it really doesn't have much of a draw, especially for a teenager.  Jor-El's recordings obviously played a big role in him choosing to do what he did, and I felt those being expanded upon could have really added more gravitas to his decision.  Instead we get scenes with characters like Otis and Miss Tesmacher, who were created solely for the film and while well played, lead to less of a focus being given to Superman like it should have.  Hell, the second half of the film features very little of Clark and Superman other than action sequences.  While Reeves is always strong and his presence was dominating, I would have loved to seen more.  At least this is one thing that the sequels helped to address.

As for the upcoming film, I'm glad that Goyer is apart of the process. I don't think he's a particularly good filmmaker, but he definitely understands the characters in these comic films.  And that is an important thing to remember.  These characters should be treated no differently than any other adaptation, where they should be given the respect they deserve and not treated as jokes. Superman really took a back seat in the last film, basically being resorted to be a stalker and an absent father.  Hopefully this new film will delve into his troubles with fitting into society and trying to reconcile how he will always be different and the burden that brings.  That is an important part of the character that wasn't addressed much, and when it was in Superman 2 he chose to give up his powers to bang Margot Kidder.  Hopefully this time it will do an equally good job showing why he chooses he much be the hero of the Earth (not just America) and be the symbol of justice for society that he can be.

you're completely wrong.

Negative.  Go read some of the comics.  The Superman of the Donner film is a very simplistic view of Superman.  This film is actually touching aspects of the character that are hardly explored on movies or tv, but have been a part of the comics for decades.

In Donner's flm Clark says I have all these powers and I couldn't even save him.

In Snyders' film Clark says I have all these powers, why do I have to be so different, why am I burdened?

Donner's film hardly portrays the definitive Superman.  Hell, the whole "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" stuff is from the old tv show, not the comics.  Superman has been a character for almost seventy-five years and has gone through a lot of development, and gasp, a lot of questioning why he has this power and why he can't be normal like everyone else.  In case you forgot, Donner de-powered him in Superman 2, so he had Superman literally choosing to not be Superman anymore.

This film is showing why he chooses to become the man that everyone loves.  The scene with Jonathan probably is setting up Clark's dual identity, as that "maybe" is clearly the beginning of a larger conversation. The Donner movies showed a very narrow view of Superman and unfortunately have left many believing that this is all that he is.  Hell, even Lois and Clark did a better job of showing the conflict between the man and the suit.  I love the original film and it does a great job of showing Golden Age Superman, but this film looks like it can be the more definitive view of the character.

Here's hoping for a Zombies Ate My Neighbors movie.  It could be really fun if done right.