airmanjerm: I think you've just hit the nail on the head there. One of the problems with a lot of post-war musical academe is its myopia - an inability to see the wood from the trees. Reducing everything to the smallest components, and not seeing the big picture. Either unable or unwilling to. There's also a lot of mini-dictators in that field... You know the kind. Rejected by the mainstream and pursuing their small (almost autistic) interests, and looking down at everyone else from their ivory towers. Though thankfully, most of these guys tend to mellow out as they get older (i.e. Boulez), and become less aggressively radical. That said, two wrongs don't make a right. Or as Gandhi famously stated 'an eye for an eye, and the whole world goes blind.' Just because there's a lot of snobbery and elitism on one side of wall, that doesn't mean you should return the favour either. And I suspect that kind of mutual antagonism is one of the things that's widening the gap between the mainstream public and these academic institutions. So snubbing Frank Ticheli or declaring 12 tone technique a 'disease' are both equally destructive. As a composer myself, I try my best to not only write in a more traditional style, along with that of the contemporary avant garde - but to converge them too. The best of both worlds. P.S. You studied under Mario Davidovsky? Wow, that's a big honour. Did you study electro-acoustic composition as well?