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  1. Loving these crunchy chords after Ben Solo's death with the brass chorale (what @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) lists as "Ben Solo's Redemption" in his magnificent catalogue). The first chord of bars 1, 3, and 4 I hear as polychord constructions of DM / Eb5. Actually, the cue reminds me of "Voluntary Retirement" from Thomas Newman's Skyfall, which gives a similar brass chorale texture for Bond's "funeral". Not the same chords, but there's something similar about combining chords a semitone apart (successively in Newman, simultaneously in Williams).
    7 points
  2. I can understand the Lando Arrives cue not sticking out as special from seeing the film, with everything else going on and all the dialogue and sound effects, etc. However, I hope if that was the case for you, you are willing to set aside 106 seconds and listen to this, preferably with headphones on, trying to ignore the dialogue and sound effects and just listen to the music: This is more than just another re-recording of the main SW theme, this is a true reworking of the theme by JW for the climactic heroic moment of the film. This is a cue worth having.
    5 points
  3. There's a long post on MilenniumFalcon.org detailing all that from an "insider" but it read like total fiction to me. Just used convenient details like Lucas being absent from the premiere as ammunition to fuel a baseless narrative about what may/may not have happened during pre-production. Also, the delay of the art book until March, which fans think is a conspiracy to remove abandoned concepts from seeing the light of day. I think the film is just a mess because Abrams hacked it to pieces in an attempt to get the runtime down, without realising how much he was harming the narrative by cutting each scene down to a few short lines. I don't think it's a coincidence that 6 weeks pre-release, theatres were given an approx. runtime of 155 minutes, only to have 15 minutes disappear by the release date. They either ran out of time to finish all the VFX needed or just decided to hack away at every scene in a desperate attempt to shorten the film, losing all sense of pacing in the process and creating a borderline incoherent, whiplash inducing mess in the process. Why JJ felt the film needed to move at lightspeed, when nobody would have complained about it taking its time with the narrative progression, has me stuffed. It's the opposite problem to TLJ where a few minutes shaved off the runtime would really have helped that Canto Bight sequence. This film desperately needed a few extra minutes around key plot reveals to let audiences comprehend what they were actually watching.
    3 points
  4. He's (over)analyzing the significance of that moment in the story and then atribuiting those qualities to a simple motif that it's not too different from typical Williams musical gestures (those "chromatic doubles" are typical Williams to represent tension or mystery, and never family). it's possible that the Marauder's theme comes from the Nimbus 2000/Mischief theme (consciously or not), but Platform 9 3/4 music is NOT a leitmotif, and (a fragment of it) doesn't represent family at all. Plus, the theme was tracked into many of the scenes he mentions. And by the way, scoring Attack of the Clones was finished by January 2002, long before Williams could even begin to score Harry Potter 2, so there's that as well. I think sometimes we tend to overanalyze the thematic significance of William's music. More and more I get the feeling that Williams writes more based on the emotions he wants to convey in a certain scene and not carefully constructing and deconstructing thematic ideas. I guess he is more emotion driven than intellectually driven when it comes to writing music (meaning that he treats his themes in a very general sort of way). I mean, you could create a Youtube video about how the use of Yoda's theme in the reunion scene of TROS is a really clever way to represent the wisdom of the Jedi master, and the ultimate triumph of good, and the idea that a part of Yoda lives in every good person in the galaxy.... but the truth is that Williams just used the theme because he wanted to have a mix of old themes in one of the final moments of the movie, and it just sounded good.
    3 points
  5. 3 points
  6. Quote (JW's words) from the preface to the Signature Edition full score of the suite from TPM, where he talks about Duel of the Fates (bold is mine): ... I was captivated by the stanza "Under the tongue root a fight most dread, while another rages behind in the head". This seemed to me to be mystical and ritualistic and very appropriate to accompany the great sword fight in the film. For translation into a language that would be cryptic and obscure, I first tried Celtic and Greek, before finally, with the help of a scholar at Harvard, settling on Sanskrit. I feel this beautiful old language contained vowel sounds that would be very effective for chorus. ... So, I don't see any intention to associate Eastern cultures with the bad guys in JW's work. The language was chosen because it sounded better than other (European) options, which were considered in the first instance. Then, there are scenes in the movie where Darth Maul is accompanied by the choir whispering Sanskrit words, and maybe this is what offends the writer of the article. But that is a consequence of the choice of Sanskrit for the main action piece; previous instances of Sanskrit in the movie score play the role of an anticipation, and it would have been weird to use another language.
    3 points
  7. Just came back from my second viewing, which wasn't voluntary. I promised someone I'd go with them before the film came out. Anyways, I didn't care for the film so I really buckled down and listened for the score. Here are my discoveries/thoughts. There is probably some old news in here, but I'm not reading through 16 pages right now to cross reference. The best, or at least most audible, unreleased music, as far as I can tell, is when: - Rey runs the training course (Rey's theme does summersaults- best unreleased cue) - Kylo Ren's helmet is reforged (KOR motif and other stuff) - The Knights of Ren appear on Pasaana (KOR motif and timpani) - Lando arrives with reinforcements (Don't quite know what the fuss is all about with this one. It's a good cue but hardly jaw dropping, and it would certainly disturb the coherence of the OST.) Two source cues at least, likely both by Lin-Manuel Miranda: - Pasaana festival - Oma Tres' bar There were a lot of tracked moments that I realized the first time, and a few more now: - Return to Tatooine ostinato from AOTC when Poe talks to Zorri - Finn's Confession opening (from TFA which came from TPM) when he talks to Jannah about deserting the First Order - Darth Vader's Death from ROTJ when Rey enters the Death Star II throne room (sounds like an old recording to me, but it's hard to tell) - Possibly some material from TLJ from scenes on Ahch-To, although not explicitly stating any themes related to the island (when Rey, Finn and Poe are in the asteroid field after leaving Pasaana) - That little string line we hear once Han, Chewie and Finn land on Starkiller base from TFA (forget when it plays, but I know it occured sometime after they leave Kijimi) This is what I heard in the cinema based on my pretty good memory of the Star Wars scores. Anyways, of all the terrific score in the film there was one part that stood out for me the most, and it's kind of obscure. It's a non-thematic moment, and it's brief. Nonetheless, it underscores my favourite scene of the film and carried the most emotion for me. It's the devastating horns towards the end of the FYC track Advice, when Han talks to Ben. This moment in particular occurs when he throws his lightsaber into the ocean. It just really hit home for me, and my highlighting of this moment is certainly not to throw shade at any other part of the score, which I've obviously been listening to repeatedly since it came out.
    3 points
  8. Williams almost certainly chose Sanskrit for Duel of the Fates (which is an action cue, not one depicting evil) because he described it as being like watching a religious ritual. And Sanskrit is a mainly liturgical language. It's also a very old language (over 3000 years), appropriate for religious-style events that supposedly happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. @artguy360 is right that the main baddies' music in the saga is in the European tradition. I would also add that their harmonic language is also forged in western techniques of the 20th century, namely octatonic, hexatonic, and Hungarian minor scales as the raw materials that contrast with techniques from major scales, minor scales, and modes for the good guys' music. Also consider source music in the OT - swing music plays in the seedy cantina, and rock music and baroque music inhabit the underworld of Jabba's palace, and those musics are western constructions as well. So no, I don't believe there's any glaring issue with the bad-guy music in Star Wars. @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS)'s Post article was miles ahead of this one.
    3 points
  9. Yes, I did, actually! Where is it?! Fuck your parents! Fuck the new one! We want the tablecloth. NOW!!!!!
    2 points
  10. It draws me in 100% every single time. When the first foreshadowings of the iceberg come (with the crow's nest I think) I'm always almost surprised, like "oh yeah, all that is stil coming! Awesome!"
    2 points
  11. I really can't believe they removed most of that music from the film but that's why it wasn't included on the FYC. Little did we know at the time that Abrams was still tinkering with the film after they released the first clip.
    2 points
  12. yeah but we can sort of work with it for fan edits
    2 points
  13. It's not hard to find at all https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01833Q6AI/
    2 points
  14. Not that I can detect. The OST is not in order obviously. I would say most of the music on either presentation is intact just the FYC is chronological. Big tracks from memory - These are the soaring thematic highlights - Major components of the main theme are developed in these cues Gehenna (OST 2) = Fly by/German Trench (FYC 3) 1917 (OST 1) = Tobacco Tin (FYC 8) Night Window (OST 5) = Night Window (FYC 10) Sixteen Hundred Men (OST 16) = From Devons to Mackinse (FYC 16) Come back to us (OST 18) = Ending (FYC 17) These are the action and suspense highlights Up the Down Trench (OST 2) = Trench to the Yorks (FYC 2) Engalnder (OST 14) = Clock Chime to River Jump (FYC 13)
    2 points
  15. I feel like whenever people are talking about "JWFan's negativity", they are really talking about the 5 or so toxic members that we all have on ignore.
    2 points
  16. Based on all the passionate praise Williams repeatedly gives Daisy Ridley on his interviews, it is fair to assume he must have refused to provide a love theme for her with another man.
    2 points
  17. 2 points
  18. I suspect Williams just understands (as evidenced by bringing the theme out at every concert for the encore) that fans love the Imperial March and thought it would be a nice gesture to include it on the final soundtrack. Admittedly it makes less sense than the Yoda arrangement on the TLJ OST credits, but what can you do? The other theory (I forgot which poster floated this, but it seems the more likely explanation) is Williams just rolling all the different concert suites he regularly performs into one all-encompassing suite for future concerts, negating the need for separate performances of The Imperial March, Throne Room and Finale, Rey's Theme and The Rise of Skywalker. With this arrangement, he can perform the one suite and cover all four in one go. I just really hope we get something a little more substantial in the next few years, in the same way his revised Han Solo and the Princess followed The Last Jedi. As it stands, the final credits suite is such a monumental missed opportunity and way too copy+pastey for my liking. Not even Rey's Theme is treated to a new arrangement, which is the most shocking part of all (considering the delightful codas he wrote for her theme in the previous 2 films).
    2 points
  19. By far my least favourite of the entire franchise. TROS has elevated ROTS for me, score wise.
    2 points
  20. Probably because most of the 'deleted scenes' were just short dialogue exchanges or abandoned ideas that never amounted to anything substantial. Constable Zuvio probably had one line of dialogue directing his goons to attack Rey when she refused to give up BB8, which was rightfully deleted. But clearly there's a lot more interesting stuff from TROS that got completely turfed out (the most intriguing being the original prologue, which was apparently the Leia/Luke flashback?!) Really though, shouldn't the director be the one explaining these blatant issues? Why is the co-writer saying the VFX weren't up to scratch for these Leia scenes when that's clearly the director's decision? Other points: 1. It feels like all Abrams has done since the film came out was make excuses for his poor decisions -- surely they were blatantly obvious before releasing the film? 2. If there's a surplus of abandoned Rose/Leia scenes, Williams may have written new variations on her theme (and Leia's) in the complete sessions. Here's hoping, anyway. 3. I have no idea how Mike would assemble C&C versions of TFA or TROS with all these narrative changes during post-production. It makes all those ROTK changes Doug Adams dealt with minimal by comparison.
    2 points
  21. I don't see the big fuss with the Lando Returns cue, either. There's other unreleased cues I'd much rather have, and I'm glad the OST focused on new material anyway (as if anyone should be surprised -- JW has always done this with his sequel OST assemblies). There's lots of unreleased sequel trilogy themes that were more important to resolve the thematic development of the new characters, such as the Training montage (which has crucial new variations on Rey's/Vader's/Ren's themes) and would have made an excellent album opener after Prologue. I can totally understand why Lando Returns didn't work for the listening experience JW was creating, which builds towards an emotional climax more than a heroic one (the incoherent film is a totally different story). The real question is what the heck did Williams write for the destruction of the Sith temple and Palpatine's armada? They saw fit to replace it with Peace and Purpose from TLJ but I highly doubt this was originally unscored. Hopefully the Bluray bonus features answer some of these questions.
    2 points
  22. No, the rerecordings and placement of the older themes in Reunion was great. Yoda's theme fit the joyous tone of the victory, as did Luke & Leia for when everyone's embracing.
    2 points
  23. https://www.indiewire.com/2019/12/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-rose-tico-kelly-marie-tran-1202199542/ Sounds about right. It felt to me not so much that Rose was sidelined (although to some extent she sure was) but that her role (like so much of this film) was chopped to pieces in the editing. It also seems to me that the attempt to keep Leia in this film proved too much of a burden. They really should have cut their loses with that, and spent their time and money on other parts of the film that clearly needed it.
    2 points
  24. Uhh... not sure I even really understand the basic foundation of the idea. Marauders/Pettigrew is constructed from Nimbus 2000 and Platform 9 3/4 (no, not "mischief" and "Weasleys", the Weasleys got their own proper motif in Chamber playing off of Ron's throwaway sorting melody - so looking at the actual names and usage instead of just a surface knowledge of the movies already questions the grand theory) in.. what way exactly? Because he thinks they sound somewhat alike? Also a bit too much negative Williams/Ross speculation/ignorance.
    2 points
  25. I can just hear a very prominent bassoon, but I could be wrong. I do like how much more the woodwinds seem to flourish in the mix of this score. Certainly the clearest the section has been in the sequels. Marvellous colours.
    2 points
  26. RotJ opened with too many Muppets. And then teddy bears. Neither were particularly good parts. But the story elements with Yoda, Luke, Darth Vader and The Emperor certainly carried their weight! And the space battle was excellent too. Which makes it... I suppose... half a good movie.
    2 points
  27. The historical background is interesting (I imagine not new to most members of this forum) but the most prominent "evil" themes in the Star Wars films are the Imperial March, Kylo Ren's themes, and the Emperor's Theme and all 3 are scored the the European tradition. I don't think the western = good, eastern = bad distinction is as clear as the writer argues. Nonetheless, the Star Wars scores are rooted in the classic Hollywood orchestral sound which does tend to treat things that are familiar to us in American and European orchestral language and more eastern sounds for things that are unusual, alien, mystical, and exotic. But the good vs evil = western vs eastern argument, I do not buy. Anthem of Evil and the Knights of Ren motif are two brand new examples that prove this argument to be heavily selective at best, plainly wrong at worst.
    2 points
  28. The Force Awakens This score impressed me a good deal when I first heard it, and it still gets me going whenever I return to it. John changed things up regarding his writing style, delivering a bold score anchored by a collection of themes that really hit all the right emotional and thematic notes. The fact that most of the score consists of rather harmonically sparse swirling and stabbing underscore strung together in skeletal fashion around these themes is a strength maybe, contributing to a sense of drive and urgency. This is a very good adventure score indeed. And the Jedi Steps sequence is in the running for being the very best finale John ever wrote for the franchise. The Last Jedi When I heard this score for the first time, I was underwhelmed. Perhaps Jedi Steps made my expectations too high. At any rate, I always hear something new to like when I return to this one, as infrequently as that is. Again, much of the score is underscore, which sometimes sounds a little uninspired. But there are moments of interest. And, there is a clear continuity. This score feels very professional, and serves its movie better, I think, than TFA does. Rose's Theme, though not overly strong, is very well used to ground the score with a sense of optimism amongst the dark chaos. The Rise Of Skywalker This is the most sophisticated score of the sequel trilogy. And perhaps it is the one most rewarding repeat listens. John tries to return to a more recognizably "Star Wars" sound Thematic, harmonically rich underscore is back. And there are plenty of stirring moments of melodic and harmonic interest. What is missing, at least for me, are the kind of new memorable themes we had in TFA, for instance. The new themes we do have are polished, quite lovely, but their pastoral grandeur seems a bit out of place amongst the martial and epic stuff that characterizes the rest of the score. The FYC is essential to have a full picture of the very well-rounded ways that John utilizes the existing ST themes. Perhaps it is the fault of the film, but, even with its strengths, this score feels like it is laying it on thick, like it is glossy varnish for something, lacking the inner thematic drive and direction that the very best Star Wars scores have. Nevertheless, it is a fine work indeed.
    2 points
  29. Not official ones. I am not sure if these covers will work for you, but I did them following the TFA and TLJ exemples.
    2 points
  30. Well, basically, find a copy, then put your hands on it.
    2 points
  31. Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album 01 Prologue (1:45) 02 Falcon Flight (2:22) 03 We Go Together (2:10) 04 In the Desert (2:26) 05 A Prisoner (1:23) 06 To Kimiji (1:37) 07 Fleeing from Kimiji (1:53) 08 Hallway Shooting (2:11) 09 Hard to Get Rid Of (2:19) 10 Join Me (2:21) 11 The Old Death Star (2:14) 12 Off the Waterfront (1:03) 13 Final Saber Duel (1:38) 14 Healing Wounds (2:49) 15 Advice (1:54) 16 Battle of the Resistance (1:54) 17 Approaching the Throne (4:16) 18 Parents (1:57) 19 Coming Together (1:44) 20 Seeing Sights (3:17) 21 Rescue (1:10) 22 Farewell (4:27) 23 A New Home (1:42) TOTAL TIME - 50:32 F.A.Q.: FYC? What's that stand for? For Your Consideration. Basically, Disney setup a website where eligible voters for the various awards that are given out around the end of the year could learn where they could attend a screening of their films, see which awards the films were pushing for, and listen to selections of the score for Best Score nominations. For the films that had score selections, they are exactly what is heard in the film, and sometimes include music not on the commercial soundtrack albums! So the music here is different than the album? Yes! Some tracks are almost the same, but the structure of the FYC program is fundamentally different; It is a selection of music from the movie exactly as it appears in the final cut of the film, even if the music used in the film was edited from Williams' original intentions. This could mean that a track might contain an Insert Williams later wrote, where the OST presented his original version; or a track might contain less music than its OST counterpart of the scene was re-edited after the recording of the music, or even a track might contain some music artificially looped or stretched if a scene got lengthened after scoring. The FYC always reflects these non-intended conforms to final picture from start to finish. So does the FYC contain the complete score? Certainly not. The FYC is only 50 minutes long. Which tracks contain music that is not on the OST album? We won't know that until the OST album is available to hear. Where can I find this FYC? https://disneystudiosawards.com/star-wars-score.html https://disneystudiosawards.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker/score In case Disney later removes this page, it is archived permanently here: https://web.archive.org/web/20191210202934/https://disneystudiosawards.com/star-wars-score.html I don't see a download link there; How do I download the files from Disney's site? In case Disney ever takes the files down, they are archived permanently here: The files on Disney's site have really low bitrate of 192kbps; Is there any chance its available uncompressed somewhere? Disney should be mailing out pressed physical CDs with the FYC program to Academy music department voters sometime soon. Usually not long after that, they begin turning up on ebay, and not long after that, lossless rips appear online. NOTE: It is against the board's rules to ask for a lossless rip in the public forum. Use the PM System or go to other websites for that discussion! Posts asking for illegal downloads will be deleted! Alright, so what's on the FYC album that is not on the OST album? 01 Prologue (1:45) [0:00-0:07] (0:07) = alternate mix of OST 02 Journey to Exegol [0:47-0:50] [0:07-0:26] (0:19) = OST 02 Journey to Exegol [1:02-1:20] [0:26-0:28] (0:02) = OST 02 Journey to Exegol [1:24-1:25] [0:28-0:36] (0:08) = OST 02 Journey to Exegol [1:31-1:40] [0:36-0:56] (0:20) = OST 02 Journey to Exegol [2:13-2:33] [0:56-1:28] (0:32) = NOT ON OST (Tracked music, an alternate for Rey arriving at Exegol late in the film) [1:28-1:37] (0:09) = tracked music from OST 01 Fanfare and Prologue [1:44-1:52] [1:37-end] (0:07) = NOT ON OST (Tracked music from Hard To Get Rid Of 1:58-2:01) 02 Falcon Flight (2:22) [all] = NOT ON OST 03 We Go Together (2:10) [all] = OST 09 We Go Together [0:00-2:33], with minor edits, but a proper clean ending 04 In the Desert (2:26) [all] = NOT ON OST 05 A Prisoner (1:23) [all] = NOT ON OST 06 To Kimiji (1:37) [all] = NOT ON OST 07 Fleeing from Kimiji (1:53) [0:00-1:35] (1:35) = OST 08 Fleeing From Kijimi [0:00-1:33], with minor edits [1:35-end] (0:18) = NOT ON OST (Full clean ending of the cue) 08 Hallway Shooting (2:11) [all] = NOT ON OST 09 Hard to Get Rid Of (2:19) [all] = NOT ON OST 10 Join Me (2:21) [0:00-1:48] (1:48) = OST 10 Join Me [0:00-2:05], shortened in numerous places [1:48-2:03] (0:15) = tracked music from The Battle of the Resistance [2:03-end] (0:18) = OST 10 Join Me [3:17-end] 11 The Old Death Star (2:14) [0:00-1:14] (1:14) = OST 04 The Old Death Star [0:00-1:19], with minor edits [1:14-end] (1:00) = NOT ON OST, either tracked in from something or a replacement insert for what's on the OST from 1:19-2:21 12 Off the Waterfront (1:03) [all] = OST 04 The Old Death Star [2:21-end] 13 Final Saber Duel (1:38) [0:00-1:10] (1:10) = OST 12 The Final Saber Duel [0:00-1:05], with minor edits [1:10-end] (0:27) = NOT ON OST (The proper full ending to the cue) 14 Healing Wounds (2:49) [0:00-0:31] = NOT ON OST, definitely a replacement insert for what's on the OST from 1:05-1:42 [0:31-end] = OST 12 The Final Saber Duel [1:42-end] 15 Advice (1:54) [all] = NOT ON OST 16 Battle of the Resistance (1:54) [0:00-0:02] (0:02) = OST 13 Battle of the Resistance [0:04-0:08], shortened [0:02-end] (1:52) = OST 13 Battle of the Resistance [1:12-end], with minor edits 17 Approaching the Throne (4:16) [all] = OST 14 Approaching The Throne, with minor differences (including a pitch-shifted opening and a different ending [a different choral performance with less orchestra under it]) 18 Parents (1:57) [all] = NOT ON OST 19 Coming Together (1:44) [all] = NOT ON OST 20 Seeing Sights (3:17) [all] = OST 15 The Force Is With You [0:00-3:02], with minor difference (including a clean ending) 21 Rescue (1:10) [0:00-0:15] (0:15) = OST 15 The Force Is With You [3:02-3:16] [0:15-0:30] (0:15) = NOT ON OST (A nice section he chose to microedit out of the OST program) [0:30-end] (0:40) = OST 15 The Force Is With You [3:16-end] 22 Farewell (4:27) [all] = OST 16 Farewell [0:48-end], with minor edits 23 A New Home (1:42) [all] = OST 18 A New Home If I'm adding that up right, that's 21:10 of unreleased music! Great! Now what if I want to combine both albums together into a long expanded album? Here is a quick and dirty playlist to get the most total music possible, without using a WAV editor, just combining tracks from both into a playlist OST 01 Fanfare and Prologue 4:34 OST 02 Journey to Exegol 2:49 FYC 02 Falcon Flight 2:22 OST 09 We Go Together 3:17 OST 05 The Speeder Chase 3:21 FYC 04 In the Desert 2:26 FYC 05 A Prisoner 1:23 FYC 06 To Kimiji 1:37 OST 08 Fleeing from Kijimi 2:51 FYC 08 Hallway Shooting 2:11 FYC 09 Hard to Get Rid Of 2:19 OST 10 Join Me 3:42 OST 04 The Old Death Star 3:16 OST 12 The Final Saber Duel 3:57 FYC 15 Advice 1:54 OST 06 Destiny of a Jedi 5:12 OST 11 They Will Come 2:50 OST 13 Battle of the Resistance 2:51 OST 14 Approaching the Throne 4:16 FYC 18 Parents 1:57 FYC 19 Coming Together 1:44 OST 15 The Force Is with You 3:59 OST 16 Farewell 5:14 OST 17 Reunion 4:04 OST 18 A New Home 1:47 OST 19 Finale 10:51 SCORE TIME - 1:26:44 BONUS TRACKS OST 07 Anthem of Evil 3:23 OST 03 The Rise of Skywalker 4:18 BONUS TRACK TIME - 7:41 GRAND TOTAL TIME - 1:34:25 Here is a more detailed editing guide, which you have to use sound editing software to make. THE FILM SCORE OST 01 Fanfare and Prologue 4:34 OST 02 Journey to Exegol 2:49 FYC 02 Falcon Flight 2:22 OST 09A We Go Together [0:00-2:33], with the clean ending from FYC 03 We Go Together 2:10 OST 09B Arrival at Pasaana [2:33-end] OST 05 The Speeder Chase 3:21 FYC 04 In the Desert 2:26 FYC 05 A Prisoner 1:23 FYC 06 To Kimiji 1:37 OST 08A Fleeing from Kijimi [0:00-1:33], with the clean ending from FYC 07 Fleeing from Kimiji 1:53 FYC 08 Hallway Shooting 2:11 FYC 09 Hard to Get Rid Of 2:19 OST 08B I'm The Spy [1:33-end] 1:19 OST 10 Join Me 3:42 OST 4A The Old Death Star [0:00-1:19], seguing into the revised version of the rest of the cue heard in FYC 11 [1:14-end] FYC 12 Off The Waterfront 1:03 (If you are feeling up to it, you can attempt to segue from the FYC's clean opening into OST 4B [2:21-end] instead) OST 12A The Final Saber Duel [0:00-1:05], with the full complete ending from FYC 13 Final Saber Duel 1:38 FYC 14 Healing Wounds 2:49 [0:00-0:31] seguing into the rest of the cue from OST 12B [1:42-end] FYC 15 Advice 1:54 OST 06 Destiny of a Jedi 5:12 OST 11 They Will Come 2:50 FYC 01 [0:56-1:28] Rey Arrives at Exegol OST 13 Battle of the Resistance 2:51 OST 14 Approaching The Throne 4:16 (FYC 17 features a slightly different choral ending if you prefer that) FYC 18 Parents 1:57 FYC 19 Coming Together 1:44 OST 15A [0:00-3:02] Seeing Sights, with the full clean ending from FYC 20 Seeing Sights 3:17 FYC 21 Rescue 1:10 (If you are feeling up to it, you can attempt to segue from the FYC's clean opening into OST 15B [3:02-end] instead, but you also have to restore the 15 seconds microedited out of the OST version at 3:16) OST 16 Farewell 4:27 OST 17 Reunion 4:04 OST 18 A New Home 1:47 OST 19 Finale 10:51 Alternates: OST 04A [0:00-2:21] The Old Death Star (Alternate) (2:21) OST 12B [1:05-end] Healing Wounds (Alternate) (2:52) Concert Arrangements: OST 07 Anthem of Evil 3:23 OST 03 The Rise of Skywalker 4:18 And finally here is a Google Doc with all this information, if you prefer to look at it that way: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VWApmUMfiSF9gvXb3LW9QloZO-St-ITFMF-qYaNN0fw Additionally, here's a theme list I started before the OST came out, that may be a bit outdated now, but hopefully I can keep it updated at some point. 01 Prologue (1:45) 0:08 Kylo Ren's Theme 0:43 Wayfinder Theme 0:48 Kylo Ren's Theme 0:57 Anthem of Evil 1:17 Rey's Theme 02 Falcon Flight (2:22) 0:20 The Emperor's Theme 0:31 March of the Resistance 0:48 March of the Resistance 0:57 The Rebel Fanfare 1:13 We Go Together 1:30 March of the Resistance 1:47 Hyperspace from TESB moment 1:53 Heroics 2:05 The Rebel Fanfare 2:09 The Death Star is about to blow up from ANH moment 03 We Go Together (2:10) 0:14 We Go Together 1:07 Rey's Theme 1:21 The Force Theme 1:45 We Go Together 04 In the Desert (2:26) 0:24 March of the Resistance 05 A Prisoner (1:23) 1:01 We Go Together 06 To Kimiji (1:37) 0:17 We Go Together 0:31 We Go Together 0:40 The Knights of Ren Theme 1:12 Rey's Theme 07 Fleeing from Kimiji (1:53) 0:00 Heroics 0:23 Kylo Ren's Theme 0:34 Kylo Ren's Theme 1:17 We Go Together 08 Hallway Shooting (2:11) 1:22 March of the Resistance 09 Hard to Get Rid Of (2:19) 1:29 The Emperor's Theme 10 Join Me (2:21) 0:57 Anthem of Evil 1:16 Kylo Ren's Theme 1:28 Rey's Theme (dark again) 1:53 Luke's Theme 2:07 Rey's Theme 11 The Old Death Star (2:14) 0:58 The Imperial March 1:46 Poe's Theme 1:57 March of the Resistance 12 Off the Waterfront (1:03) 13 Final Saber Duel (1:38) 0:43 Kylo Ren's Theme 14 Healing Wounds (2:49) 0:40 The Force Theme 1:47 Leia's Theme 15 Advice (1:54) 1:18 sounds kinda like Rey's Theme? 16 Battle of the Resistance (1:54) 0:09 Luke's Theme 0:38 The Force Theme 1:19 The Force Theme 17 Approaching the Throne (4:16) 1:22 Rey's Theme (the dark variant again) 2:07 Wayfinder Theme 3:18 Victory Theme 3:33 March of the Resistance 18 Parents (1:57) 1:19 Kylo Ren's Theme 1:33 Kylo Ren's Theme 19 Coming Together (1:44) 0:00 The Emperor's Theme 0:11 Kylo Ren's Theme 0:22 Knights of Ren Theme 1:18 The Force Theme 20 Seeing Sights (3:17) 0:24 We Go Together 0:42 Rey's Theme (on piano!) 1:44 Rey's Theme 1:57 Kylo Ren's Theme 2:20 The Emperor's Theme (with bad-ass choir!) 2:49 The Force Theme 21 Rescue (1:10) 0:02 Victory Theme 0:39 The Rebel Fanfare 0:47 The Rebel Fanfare 22 Farewell (4:27) 0:13 Kylo Ren's Theme 0:48 sounds like a sad variation of Rey's Theme 1:27 sounds like a defeated version of Kylo Ren's Theme 1:44 Rey's Theme 2:35 sounds like... something? 3:32 Victory Theme 23 A New Home (1:42) 0:19 Rey's Theme Big thanks to @thx99 for first posting the link here. Head over there and give him a big LIKE, will ya?
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  32. There's the quote from Force Awakens where Williams said JJ's most recent note had been "Just do your thing"
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  33. it's incredible there's no issue at releasing all the music to The Mandalorian right away and we still have to deal with this crap with JW
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  34. "His family was Orthodox Jewish.[12][13][14] Spielberg's paternal grandparents were Jewish-Russian[15][16] immigrants who settled in Cincinnati in the 1900s; his grandmother was from Sudylkiv, while his grandfather was from Kamianets-Podilskyi. "
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  35. Fair enough. I view all of the new themes as a full stop on Williams’ Hollywood action scoring. There’s nothing as bold or in-your-face as The Imperial March or Duel of the Fates, nor is the romance as sweeping as Across the Stars or Han Solo and the Princess. But for me, it’s one last look at those moods through a mature, often restrained lens. The dominant theme of the final film is one last throwback to the Golden Age of film scores he started in, probably the last time we’ll ever hear it from someone who lived through it. It makes me reflect, rather than feel intense emotions. That’s a great gift he has given me. EDIT - this was in response to Steef’s last comment, can’t figure out how to quote properly on mobile, it’s always so hard
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  36. Plus, the harpsichord motif does not appear during the confrontation in the Shrieking Shack, so Williams probably didn't associate it with Pettigrew. Anyway, I still enjoyed this video: I hadn't thought about that motif being related to family, so it was cool to analyze it through a different lens. I kinda prefer the Art of the Score take on this, though (in which Pettigrew's theme is the "reversed" Sirius brass statement).
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  37. It's probably my favourite of the 3 sequel scores, mix wise. It's interesting how all 3 sound completely different though, giving them each a different colour.
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  38. Yeah, I liked Threepio most in this one. Palpatine's reanimated corpse on a crane sucking the life out of people and trying to transfer his soul to Rey is probably the worst writing in the history of SW movies.
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  39. Indiana Jones: The Soundtracks Collection (Discs 1-3) I revisited the expanded OSTs of the Indy trilogy, arguably three of the best scores ever, perfect accompaniment for three of the best movies I've ever seen and entirely entertaining listening experiences separated from the picture. From the decidedly more suspenseful testosterone-fueled Raiders and manic high adventure of Temple to the romantic religioso-infused Crusade, there's never a moment where I doubt I'm listening to some of the best stuff JW has ever done. I value every track from these scores. I fondly remember exactly where I was and even how much they cost when I acquired them decades ago. I remember finally getting an imported Temple for $30 by mail from the Star Wars Fan Club in the year 2000 when I saw an ad in the Star Wars Insider magazine. I remember seeing two different versions of the expanded Raiders, one with a brown slipcover and the other without. I remember Crusade being my first JW OST ever and I know it's still preserved in a box somewhere with it's aged curled-up insert. I remember all this because of how important this music has been for me.
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  40. I've updated my blog today, so now you can have an extended look at the full size versions of all TROS covers (and a few others). Here are the links: https://hqcovers.net/2019/12/28/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-by-john-williams/ https://hqcovers.net/2016/03/19/star-wars-target-exclusive-collection-by-john-williams/ https://hqcovers.net/2016/02/16/star-wars-the-deluxe-editions-by-john-williams/
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  41. Here's some updated transcriptions and timings for what I take to be the new leitmotifs in TROS. I'm still not quite sure what to title the two Rise of Skywalker themes. I like "Fellowship" better than "Friendship" or "Trio," if only because it applies more broadly than to just Rey/Poe/Finn. If Giacchino hadn't already written a "Hope" theme for RO, I think either could warrant that label too. Incidentally, how many JW themes is it now that revolve around a melodic 5-b6-#4 motif. There's the Knights of Ren, Peter Pettigrew, Chamber of Secrets, Nimbus 2000, Secret of the Scrolls, Count Dooku's little fanfare in AOTC...
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  42. Kylo is competition for Daisy! JW can't let him win!
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  43. They'll be pissed, like an old man being asked when he will die.
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