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'tis the season to stay home alone though.

If you want bad sounding CDs, just buy any Zimmer score from the last 20 years! 😅

It was actually @Borodin who edited the image. I remembered posting this and began an exhaustive Google image search of my username which turned up many photos of myself with longer hair, the E.T. ride and sexy celebrities. I was clued off by one result I somehow happened upon, a wonderful skillfully edited image of JW as John Hammond, done by Borodin. That's when I started to suspect he may have been the one who did the Colonel Sanders photo. I continued my search with Borodin's username and that's when I eventually saw the image of Williams in the Colonel Sanders suit with his arms perfectly posed to hold a bucket of fried chicken that would make the Man and Arms and Gwildor cream in their pants. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

I saw the film twice and I never understood that planet was supposed to be Mustafar (and I still don't understand how I was supposed to know that). Or what Kylo was doing there.

I'd been wanting to see for a while now how well the "taking off" section of We Go Together would work with the similar sequence from ROTJ. Even with some editing, it's still clunky, but it might still be fun to see.

Adobe Premiere Pro for the edit, with the 5.1 audio mix removed in places and replaced with just the centre (vocal) channel from the mix (though the music track bleeds into this channel and can't be removed, it's still cleaner than leaving in the entire 5.1 mix).

Hold on, the Star Wars OST has already been reissued on vinyl not once but TWICE in the last four years. First by Sony in 2016, based on fresh scans of the album masters. Then another reissue in 2017 by Disney Records for the 40th Anniversary, but with Special™ Holograms™: That set was released 6 months before the infamous Disney Demasters, so I'm not sure whether this reused the Sony masters or was the first instance of the Disney Demasters (which recreated the OST albums using new scans of the film masters, rather than the album masters as with Sony's release). Either way, what a colossal waste of everyone's time. The Demasters are available in high definition for anyone who clamours for the best sounding version of the first score. I know everyone celebrated when Sony finally lost the licence (after reissuing the same '97 editions ad nauseum for two decades) but I'm yet to see anything from Disney that gives me hope they'll be much better. In fact, these pointless vinyl reissues and "special editions" of the exact same albums we've already had for decades seems worse (especially when they now have 9 scores brimming with unreleased music at their disposal!)

Agreed and it always bugged me when people think it was Rian that ruined Luke Skywalker. JJ is the one that put him on a remote planet. And Rian handled it perfectly. Did everyone think he's in hiding because he's happy?!? He dealt with Luke's nihilism the way one would expect when given that decision made in TFA. He also honored him, giving him maybe the best redemption/death in the saga. TLJ is really the only one of these new trilogy movies that tried something new. Sad it got so much unwarranted backlash from "fans." Outrage culture.

Orderd!

The Mandalorian 1x05 The Gunslinger Wow, another good one! I loved that it opened with a nice space battle, since that was one thing the show hadn't done much of yet, and its a staple of Star Wars. It was cool! Was kinda bummed that he ended up going down to Tattooine - why must the franchise continually return to this planet, instead of just using a new one? But I quickly was over this as everything that happened there was so cool. I enjoyed the lady that Mando has fix his ship, and her scenes bonding with the child. And Mando's adventure with the bounty hunter guy was super fun! Speeder Bikes, The Dune Sea, Tusken Raiders, Dewbacks, a night attack, betrayals, super fun stuff! Kinda strange that a random new character is shown approaching the body of the dead bounty they were going after. The music was fantastic, I loved the new colors introduced this week - the fun, playful music for the scenes of the hangar lady bonding with the child, and the super fun music for Mando and the other bounty hunter crossing the dune sea. Cool stuff!

So which Williams wrote the better rousing war music? John Williams: Men of the Yorkshire March Ralph Vaughan Williams: 49th Parallel Prelude

@Jay, I'm doing a deep dive on the final film compared to this spreadsheet and discovering some interesting things (one of the first being that The Emperor Lives appears to be an alternate to Rey's Mission). I divided every reel into separate timelines and matched the timings to the spreadsheet. Almost all cues lined up, some were a few seconds out (likely due to minor trims in various scenes) while others had some interesting differences (obvious ones being the total omission of 8M07 Big Ship Blows Up and 2M32 Quicksand). I pieced together all the fragments of Approaching the Nursery to see if I could make sense of Prologue. For starters, I assembled the cue list and sorted by cue title, just to see how much repetition existed across the film. Lighter blue represents an appearance in early reels, darker blue represents appearances in latter reels (out of 8): Reel Start End Title Dur Old Notes 1 0:23:20 1:50:03 1M01 Main Title 1:26 Star Wars 1:26 1 1:50:03 2:30:13 1M022 The Ninth Beginning 0:40 Kylo :06 1 7:49:12 8:13:10 1M05 Rey Trains 0:24 3 19:35:21 19:58:14 1M06 Ren's Entrance 0:22 5 17:14:23 17:34:04 1M06 Ren's Entrance 0:19 1 2:30:13 4:34:05 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 2:04 Kylo :11 3 10:59:11 11:37:19 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:38 5 16:56:12 7:14:23 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:18 6 12:56:21 13:36:23 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:40 Emperor :18 1 6:01:17 6:19:09 1M09 Rey Wakes Up 0:18 1 8:30:20 9:23:12 1M13 Tell Me What They Are 0:53 1 4:34:05 4:48:12 1M15 Vader's Castle 0:14 Vader :14 1 6:19:09 7:49:12 1M20 Rey Training 1:30 Rey :15 Vader :06 Kylo :04 1 5:31:15 6:01:17 1M24 Meditation 0:30 Force :12 1 10:07:17 12:39:01 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping 2:31 Emperor :05 Resistance :04 Falcon :07 6 12:00:07 12:56:21 1M26 Spy's Message 0:56 2 9:38:01 10:10:17 2M01 Cockpit Dialog 0:33 2 4:50:08 6:03:13 2M02 Fixing The Helmet 1:13 Kylo :06 1 8:21:13 8:30:20 2M03 The Wisdom of Maz 0:09 3 4:01:03 4:48:04 2M04 The Emperor Lives 0:47 Rey :11 Force :14 3 14:13:15 14:37:19 2M04 The Emperor Lives 0:24 Rey :11 2 2:59:05 4:50:08 2M06 The Medal 1:51 Force :22 5 1:15:04 1:41:13 2M06 The Medal 0:26 Force :14 2 6:03:13 6:34:21 2M07 Ship Trip 0:31 3 5:02:08 5:19:18 2M07 Ship Trip 0:17 2 2:10:00 2:52:20 2M20 The Forge 0:43 Kylo :20 2 0:08:00 2:10:00 2M30 Rey's Mission 2:02 Emperor :10 Rey :20 Force :10 2 15:41:22 16:08:00 2M32 Quicksand 0:28 2 7:32:10 9:38:01 0M01 Children's School 2:05 Rey :10 Kylo :14 2 10:27:15 10:56:23 3M00 Lando 0:29 2 11:40:13 12:43:19 3M00 Lando 1:03 Leia :13 2 12:43:19 13:13:05 3M01 Before The Chase 0:29 2 13:13:05 15:29:07 3M03 No Title 2:16 Rey :11 3 4:48:04 5:02:08 3M06 Knights of Ren 0:14 3 0:08:03 0:43:10 3M07 Ochi and the Dagger 0:37 3 1:16:00 2:35:06 3M07 Ochi and the Dagger 1:19 3 5:19:18 7:46:09 4M01 Rey Senses Ren's Approach 2:26 Resistance :11 3 8:48:10 9:55:22 4M02 Rey's Incredible Hand 1:07 Kylo :10 3 15:26:15 17:13:05 4M04 Zucini? 1:46 3 13:01:13 13:28:18 4M05 To The End 0:27 3 12:23:09 14:13:15 4M05B Good Ship, Bad Ship 1:50 3 18:42:17 19:34:04 4M06 He Won't Remember 0:51 Star Wars :08 4 15:49:05 16:11:10 4M07 Rey's Grief 0:22 4 2:40:04 3:39:14 4M10 Red Eyes 1:09 Kylo :04 4 0:53:21 2:01:13 4M11 Poe and Girlfriend 1:07 3 11:28:04 12:23:09 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk 0:55 4 15:16:03 15:44:19 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk 0:29 4 3:51:12 5:45:00 5M01 Meddling and Poe's Crush 1:53 Kylo :11 3 17:13:05 17:22:14 5M03 Hallway Shooting 0:09 4 5:54:08 8:05:12 5M03 Hallway Shooting 2:11 Resistance:07 4 8:06:12 8:55:13 5M05 Rey Sees Mother 0:49 Vader :07 4 9:07:19 11:27:03 5M06 Hard To Get Rid Of 2:19 Emperor :11 4 11:27:03 12:58:23 5M07 I'm The Spy 1:31 Rey :08, Kylo :04, Star Wars :03 4 12:59:00 15:16:03 5M08 Geneology 2:17 Star Wars :04, Rey :04 2 10:56:23 11:40:13 5M10 Landing At ? 0:43 4 17:02:07 18:19:06 5M10 Landing At ? 1:17 6 8:36:23 8:46:01 5M10 Landing At ? 0:09 5 1:41:13 2:45:11 5M12 Off The Waterfront 1:03 5 13:36:13 14:37:13 5M30 Under a Blanket 1:01 Leia :50 3 2:51:05 4:01:03 6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes 1:10 5 2:57:01 3:31:14 6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes 0:34 5 3:52:03 4:20:08 6M02A Climbing 0:28 5 6:59:16 7:49:13 6M04 Daisy In A Veil 0:50 5 7:49:13 7:55:17 6M05 Leia Lies Down 0:06 5 9:52:05 11:17:23 6M07 Stop and Start 1:26 Kylo :06 5 11:34:21 13:36:13 6M08 Healing Wounds 2:02 Force :10 6 0:08:04 0:47:01 6M12 Six Twelve 0:39 6 11:10:08 11:42:02 6M13 Rey's Trip To P 0:32 6 3:10:21 3:17:04 6M20 Sabre Toss 1:45 Rey :06 Force :10 6 2:20:02 2:51:12 7M01 Seven One 0:31 6 2:51:12 3:10:21 7M02 Rey Meets Luke 0:19 6 4:05:17 5:03:02 7M03 Luke's Advice 0:57 Rey :13 Force :14 6 9:39:03 10:08:23 7M04 The Meeting 0:30 6 10:08:23 10:46:00 7M05 March Of The Resistance 0:37 Resistance :37 5 15:15:19 16:56:12 7M08 Father Knows Best 1:43 6 5:03:02 7:33:22 7M10 Leia's Sabre 2:31 Leia :15 Star Wars :15 Yoda :46 6 13:37:01 14:57:05 7M12 Seven Twelve 1:20 Star Wars :04, Force :10 6 14:57:05 15:33:18 7M12A Horses #2 0:36 Force :13 7 0:08:00 2:34:09 7M20 Approaching The Throne 2:27 7 2:34:09 4:09:16 7M21 Parents 1:35 7 4:46:01 6:52:07 7M30 More Action 2:06 7 6:52:07 8:36:01 7M32 Make The Sacrifice 1:43 7 10:59:06 12:41:10 7M36 Dunkirk 1:42 7 14:04:12 17:12:20 7M38 I Am All The Sith 3:08 1 4:48:12 5:31:15 8M04 Psalm of the Sith 0:43 2 10:10:17 10:27:15 8M05 Jumping The Chain 0:17 7 17:12:20 18:08:21 8M07 Big Ship Blows Up 0:56 3 10:11:15 10:40:03 8M08 On Their Knees 0:28 7 18:08:03 18:46:13 8M10 Success and Sliding 0:38 Falcon :07 7 18:46:22 19:37:15 8M11A Dropping The Sabre 0:50 Rey:30 8 0:16:00 4:32:00 8M14 Ben to Rey 4:16 8 9:48:04 10:21:21 8M15 Horn Solo 0:33 Force :33 8 10:21:12 22:37:00 8M16 End Credits 12:00 Star Wars :30 Rey 1:00 8 4:32:00 7:50:05 9M03 Bows 3:18 Star Wars :08, Force :19, Yoda :40 Rey:13 Luke &Leia :43 8 8:00:15 9:42:15 9M05ALT Return to Tatooine 1:42 The other major discovery is that reels 3-8 of the final cut are reasonably consistent with this spreadsheet and answer some questions about the contents of many cues, while reels 1 & 2 clearly underwent heavy restructuring in the final month. A scene (and cue) involving Kylo Ren's helmet was completely omitted in reel 2.

I'm not convinced this is the case. In actual fact, my current theory is the entire Mustafar sequence was omitted from the November 11 cut! The timestamp of Vader's Castle in the final cut lines up perfectly if you go from the opening crawl to the space shot of Kylo flying towards the red storm (rather than the shot of TIEs approaching Mustafar). It's possible they decided the Mustafar sequence was completely superfluous after condensing it so heavily, but they reinstated a few fragments in the dying weeks of post?

It probably would have only been able to be released as a standard def bonus feature in the state it was in. It seems to have been made more like the 1941 extended cut, IE made only for home video/broadcast, rather than the Superman The Movie or Waterworld extended cuts, ei cut on film then prepared for broadcast from that. I doubt the film's been popular enough since it came out to justify Universal pulling the negatives and rebuilding the extended cut again and doing it all in HD. Seems like a pipedream. Luckily an SVHS recording of the broadcast airing survived and was digitized for the fan market.

Except TLJ picks up perfectly where TFA left them (maybe except for Poe who was a named extra personality-wise) and challenges them, making them change and grow. Then 9 flicks a randomiser switch and craps all over them.

Indeed. 1941, now that's a proper, rousing march.

I started going through the film and notating the starting and stopping points of every cue (or piece of tracked music) in it, for those who want to hear certain things when you get the blu ray. Here's what I have so far, from the start of the film until they arrive as Pasaana Start End Reel/Part Cue Length Tracked Tracked (Prior Films) Source Music FYC OST 0:18 1:44 1M01 Main Title 1:26 01A [0-1:26] Fanfare and Prologue 1:44 1:54 TRACKED 1M1A Starry Night from Ep7 0:10 1:54 2:02 TRACKED "Journey to Exegol" 0:08 01A [0:00-0:08] Prologue 0:08 02 [0:47-0:51] Journey to Exegol 2:02 2:50 ?M? "Journey to Exegol" 0:48 01B [0:08-0:56] Prologue 0:48 02B [1:02-1:40 / 2:13-2:33] Journey to Exegol 2:50 3:22 TRACKED 6M13 Rey's Trip To P 0:32 01C [0:56-1:28] Prologue 0:32 3:22 3:32 TRACKED 1M022 The Ninth Beginning 0:10 01D [1:28-1:37] Prologue 0:09 01C [1:45-1:52] Fanfare and Prologue 3:32 3:38 TRACKED 5M06 Hard To Get Rid Of 0:06 01E [1:37-end] Prologue 0:07 4:21 4:33 ?M? "Every Voice Inside Your Head" 0:12 4:33 4:40 TRACKED 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:07 01E [2:52-2:58] Fanfare and Prologue 4:40 5:14 ?M? "Every Voice Inside Your Head" 0:34 5:24 5:31 ?M? "The Final Order" 0:07 5:31 5:46 TRACKED "Journey to Exegol" 0:15 02C [1:56-2:13] Journey to Exegol 5:46 6:40 ?M? "The Final Order" 0:54 7:53 10:17 1M14 Falcon Flight 2:14 02 Falcon Flight 2:22 10:17 10:28 1M24 Meditation 0:21 10:28 10:51 1M09 Rey Wakes Up 0:23 10:51 11:59 1M20 Rey Training 0:57 11:48 12:16 1M05 Rey Trains 0:28 12:52 13:43 1M13 Tell Me What They Are 0:51 15:17 17:16 2M30 Rey's Mission 1:59 17:19 19:26 2M06 The Medal 2:07 03 We Go Together 2:10 09A [0-2:33] We Go Together 19:26 20:41 2M02 Fixing The Helmet 1:15 21:14 21:16 TRACKED unknown cue at this time 0:02 21:16 21:42 2M07 Ship Trip 0:26 09B [2:33-end] We Go Together It's bugging me I can't place what that tracked bit just before Ship Trip, it sounds familiar yet I can't place it Also, I have no idea why the cue we used to call "We Go Together" is called "The Medal", because there is no medal seen at all in that scene

This is where it gets hard doing score restore videos because Williams clearly scored a very different version of the film for many cues on the OST. Rather than conform the music to fit the final picture (the film already does that) I've tried to find the best fit for the music with slight edit changes to help it fit. Surprisingly, not much needed to be done for either of these two cues (although I did repeat a couple of shots just to fill some dead space). Obviously Journey to Exogol went totally unused while Prologue was only partially used in the final cut (it was mostly dialled out or replaced with tracked music). So here is all the music restored with my best approximation of what Williams was trying to accomplish, synced to film based on what remained of these cues in the final cut. The music for Kylo Ren entering the temple is a noteworthy addition that was dialled out in the final cut:

Yes, it's no surprise people have labelled the score just more of the same when the Imperial March is tracked over Anthem of Evil, March of the Resistance is tracked over the Victory theme, original action cues like Speeder Chase and Journey to Exogol are replaced with tracked music from elsewhere in the film. Then there's all the recorded music that was deleted, including the Death Star fight, amazing renditions of Anthem of Evil in Join Me, etc. And to add insult to injury, the original score is mostly buried under sound effects while the note-for-note reprisals from previous scores are showered with love in the mix (Yoda and the Force, Binary Sunset, March of the Resistance, etc.)

I'm getting really fed up with the "its the end of nine movies" rhetoric, which gets rehearsed quite a lot in this documentary. Having seen The Rise of Skywalker, its not that they didn't try to live up to that rhetoric, but at the end of the day it was always doomed as an enterprise. Return of the Jedi always was, and always will be, the true end of the "Skywalker saga." These last three films were only made because the producers could have made them; and clearly there got so preoccupied with whether or not they could... Its funny how people just now rile up that this film negates Vader's sacrifice, when in fact The Force Awakens did it all the same.

Damn! Could I do with some K.F.C. about now!

I hope they won't release anything I want. Their prices are insane if you live in Europe.

You're thinking too logically. When the hipsters discover they can have a disc that's less than half the diameter of the LP, with better sound, and most important; that it's much less popular than the LP, they will be all over it.

Episode I: Racer!

US Marshals, just to have it out of the way.

Probably something like this (it was a popular temp in the 90's):

Goldsmith and the producers had one disagreement that could only be solved when Goldsmith (sighingly) stuck to the temp track (Zimmer's Beyond Rangoon, if i remember right). See below what Goldsmith offered and below what Disney demanded.

No, the songs were composed by Matthew Wilder and David Zippel, the same dudes that wrote the songs for Hercules on the previous year.

and gives us the stupid "is Rey going to go evil and join Kylo Ren?" tease that gave JJ Abrams license to go that route with The Rise of Skywalker. Rey going evil and Kylo going good should never have been a thing in the course of this trilogy, even just as a misdirect. Rey is a quintessentially good person in The Force Awakens: she's not going to turn evil in the sequels just 'cause; and Kylo is a bad person. He's not gonna become good just because he's appearantly a mamma's boy.

After introducing a wonderful new trio of hero characters in episode 7 the writers of the two followup films ended up having no idea what to do with them and worse, seemed to actively reboot their dreams and motivations between each film

I hope so. He can write way better action music than that.

Geisha, Lincoln, A.I. and Jaws.

I can tell you - with 100% certainty - that the score for MULAN was composed by Jerry Goldsmith, and was released in 1998. Happy to help

You mean the one NOT written by Jerry Goldsmith? Did that ever get to the writing, let alone recording stage at all? All I know it's that the Jerry Goldsmith is pretty darn excellent. And there are a fair few alternates.

Because the final film tracked Mustafar music into the Exegol scene and Crumbs kept it in his video

It has to be tracked. The music in OST track 1 is surely all Mustafar music, not Exegol music, as we know there was a ton of stuff deleted here (extended fight with the Knights of Ren helping him, something with Vader's castle, Kylo finding the Oracle and talking to it to get the Wayfinder, etc) If you look at the Nov 11 cut info, the Mustafar sequence originally ran for almost 4 minutes (it's under a minute in the final cut), then the film would have gone to Rey training and talking to Leia, then to the Falcon flight, THEN to Kylo traveling to Exegol and talking to the Emperor. And OST track 2 seems to be that Exegol music, which we don't know the cue titles for because the document we got only goes through the first 12 1/2 minutes of reel 1 for whatever reason This is what we think makes up OST track 1

I suspect there was a deleted scene involving the medal which reappears with Leia later (and gets handed to Chewy at the end). Well, I think it reappears with Leia during her death scene. It was in the trailer, who knows if it made the final cut. Edit: Seems like it might have been old footage from TFA? Didn't realise they shot stuff with the medal on that film.

Excellent job, Crumbs. Really fun watching these. Having the score implemented in these ways would have really gone a long ways to dispelling some of the views from viewers that thought this film provided little to no new memorable musical material.

the cameo made it into Honest Trailers.

This was a score restore I had to try but the results have broken my heart. I accomplished this with a single 8 second trim of JW's cue. How they felt obliged to dump the entire second half of Williams' intentions and replace it with tracked music from TFA is anyone's guess. Surely the film's most offensive instance of tracking, and certainly the most unnecessary. Thanks, fixed!

Just wait until you see what I've discovered with the Speeder Chase!

https://www.orchestraltools.com/store/magazine/view/33 Richard Harvey talks playing the “Window to the Past” solo during the Azkaban sessions.

It is a pity this score is not better loved. I think all the pieces are in place - it has a good album, it received an against the odds academy award nomination, good reviews, and yet not many champions. I was obsessed with this score when it first came out. I still love it. The movie I actually thing is fantastic as well. Very well done adventure story with Spielberg showing enormous spirit and dexterity in the staging of several sequences. I actually love the fact that both the film and score are extremely busy and jam packed and barely pause for a break before bolting in with propulsion.

Beautiful job. If Psalm of the Sith was intended for the final cut of the film, then I believe it went in this scene. The Anthem of Evil theme lacks an "introduction" in the film, so to speak, and this would be the perfect time to introduce that theme.

Apologies in advance if this has been mentioned earlier, but has anyone been able to do an isolated score match-up of the OST version of “The Speeder Chase” with the film? I got so attached to that cue and was absolutely gutted when it was butchered in the film 😩

Easy to see how Falcon's Last Flight could be interpreted as Falcon's Last Ride, especially if you didn't have a clear view of the sheet music (or heard it second-hand from someone on the crew). And for all we know, Duel of the Fates was recorded in that 226 minutes of music but went unused. We know from the sound editors that the entire Death Star fight was scored and Williams asked them to dial out everything until Kylo exits the wall of water.

Yeah, on Mustafar, the planet at the beginning of the film. I was thinking it was the SW theme when Lando shows up.

Tunnel Monster, could be the snake if it is from TROS.