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I don't mean to nerd out, but the actual novelization of KOTCS (yes i read it lol) addresses Indy coming to terms with his age for a bit, when he's relieved of his duties as professor. He really does begin to question what he should be doing at such an age. I remember really wishing that concept made it to the film. It being my first time reading a novelization of a major film, it was a welcome surprise at how in depth they could be. Now obviously nobody should have to read the novelization of these feature films to achieve such knowledge of the character. So I echo your post and agree it's a great idea to explore with Indy.

There seemed to be a concerted effort to completely ignore Indy's age in Koepp's script (other than Mutt's joke) and carry on as if the film was occurring at the same time as the earlier 3. I think it would be foolish to avoid the issue in 5, especially when they could intertwine his age into the plot/McGuffin itself (not to mention the musical potential Williams could bring, himself enjoying similar retrospection at this advanced stage of his career). The "eternal life" powers of the Holy Grail would've been perfect for an older Indy story, actually. I guess Fountain of Youth or Garden of Eden stories could replicate that.

That's been my number one wish for a final Indiana Jones film since mumblings began after KOCS. One of its biggest disappointments is that it didn't bother exploring such themes or addressing Indy's age in a meaningful way. There was rich potential to explore those ideas and Indy coming to terms with his life and legacy, all wasted. About the only thing that came close was the brief discussion around losing Marcus and Henry. I recall Darabont had a great scene in his script where Indy got drunk and wandered around the museum, reflecting on various artifacts recovered through his life. I really hope we get some retrospection in Mangold's story (Logan was exceptional at this). A solemn new theme to accompany that idea would be amazing, but I suspect Williams would approach it with lots of warm horn presentations of the Raiders march (as in TLC).

Something like that would be fantastic. I'm hoping that is something that might be befitting of belonging to a History or a Legacy Theme of sorts? What does one's life stand for after they're gone, what does one want to be remembered for in the grand scheme of things, what is one's place in history, what is the importance of acquiring and preserving these artifacts, etc. If the film is meant to be the send-off to the character, I can't help but think the film will try to touch on at least some of that in some way.

While I'm making a wishlist, I would love if he did something analogous to the Rise of Skywalker Theme... Something emotional, upbeat, yet sweeping with adventure. Sort of like putting the Grail theme and the Slave Children theme in a blender. One more concert piece to say it's been a fun ride around the world.

I am excited to announce Film Music Notes' very first online course, Action-Music Harmony in Classic Blockbuster Films. To see what's in the course, watch the video below and find out more on the course page, where you can view lesson contents, watch a lesson preview, and enroll in the course! Please Note: To avoid copyright infringement, this course contains no score excerpts or audio from film scores. Students are directed to find and listen to soundtrack excerpts while the course content consists of: 1. Music theory connecting the techniques to be discussed 2. Analysis describing the techniques behind Williams excerpts 3. Composition tutorials applying the techniques to original compositions, and 4. Composition exercises comprising abstract scales, chords, and original music

Scores and audio are absent. I direct students to the name and timestamps of the appropriate track on the soundtrack, then my analysis of a cue goes into the techniques and how they're used. So you get portions of cues transformed through analysis in order to demonstrate the technique. You'll see what I mean if you watch the preview on the course page of my site. Not silly at all! The way it works is that the course videos are all stored online and I link to them so they're streamed directly on my site. Streaming only right now, no downloads. And yes, once you enroll, you're enrolled for life! So watch as many times as you like! The flow of lessons generally goes: Theory --> Analysis --> Composition Tutorial --> Composition Exercises I'm happy to answer any other questions about the course here. Also, here's a link to an audio sample from a composer who's already taken the course and wrote music from what he learned in it: https://vi-control.net/community/threads/john-williams-course-lessons-1-3.108008/post-4807211 I thought it was great!

Glad this topic was bumped, I missed it the first time and love this stuff!

HTTYD came pretty darn close.

With the gutter trash that directors want today, yeah no. I think once Williams, JNH, Elfman and Silvestri croak, you might as well write off traditional film scoring.

Possible yes. Likely no

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Some of y’all got a lot of pent up hatred for these movies. What’s the deal? 1. The Hateful Eight 2. La-La Land 3. Slumdog Millionaire

Yes, it does seem likely he will give a melancholic send off. a thread that has run through many of his scores the last 10 years.

This poll has helped me to better understand the three demographics of film score listeners that make up JW Fan, and for that I am truly thankful. Observe:

He's very popular. The sportos, the motorheads, the geeks, sluts, bloods, watseoids, dweebeies, dickheads; they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude

If someone went back in time, to the 1930s, and played composers such as Korngold, and Steiner, a piece of music that was more like a chamber piece, with a lot of dissonant, screeching strings, they would have laughed in your face. Fast forward to 2021, and PSYCHO is (quite rightly so) considered to be among the greatest film scores ever written. It can happen. It probably won't, but it can.

Star Wars inspired many kids, including me, to listen to classical music. For sure that will not happen with nowadays film music. But maybe it inspires some kids to play around with music apps.

Maybe Indiana Jones 5 will be the best score ever written.

A great piece of music could be written at any time, for any medium, regardless of whatever is going on anywhere in the world. The ratio of music worth listening to among the entirety of music accessible to us, is simply way tinier now than it was when we were younger.

Stepmom.

Look at it this way: in 200 years time, when film music has changed beyond all recognition, and the likes of RCP have faded into myth, some one-note drone will be hailed as "the greatest score ever composed". Every generation has its own ides of what is "great", and this generation is no exception. It's not only unavoidable, it's inevitable.

No, that one is made before Spielberg ... changed.

John Anderton, you look like you could use a Guinness right now...

Joker, according to the critics.

So long as John Williams is writing film scores, it's possible.

https://nerdist.com/article/legend-movie-movie-scores-tangerine-dream/ Moderately interesting article comparing Jerry's Legend score with that by Tangerine Dream. Not sure I've ever seen the film with either score but some interesting points. Perhaps (with depressing inevitability) they end up preferring TD's effort, although I can't help thinking it's more due to era specific aesthetics. Certainly interesting comparing the approach taken to the same scene they use as an example, notably the Dress Waltz scene. TD's music is appropriate enough and definitely gives it the 80s music video vibe they reference elsewhere, but Jerry's feels more like actual underscore, with dramatic ebb and flow. I have to admit that I've never quite loved Legend as much of some of his other scores of the period, the ringle-rangle song (which sounds like a spoof of the Oompa Loompa song from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory) and some of the synths aren't to my taste, trampling a bit over all that wonderful Ravel-esque orchestral writing. Still, a fine companion to Secret of NIMH from the same period (and which I prefer, save for the rather cloying songs), with which it shares a lot of stylistic musical fingerprints, mainly Ravel through Jerry's own style.

God I'm ashamed of being a JWfan today.

I’m hoping he writes something similar to TROS regarding the End Credits section. Definitely feature one new theme, but then maybe do a selection of other themes, and then end it with a fast paced version of the Raiders March similar to how Raiders ends. I do think it’d be cool if somewhere in the film we get to hear a reprise of the Young Indy motif, even just a quick one, that would be stellar.

I'm really looking forward to some new map/trek music. KOTCS lacked in that department with the rehash of 'Flight from Peru' from Raiders and the Peruvian source music.

Anybody here who actually likes you will tease you back, and then you'll know you've established a friendly repertoire with them. That's how human interaction works. Gender has nothing to do with it. It's what (some) friends do. If the recipient of what you think of in your head has "teasing" or "friendly kidding" doesn't like you, then your posts of this nature directed at them will absolutely not go over the way you think it will. Yea man, trolls get off on being attacked as much as they enjoy attacking. This is not new information to me. The rules about opinions being allowed but insults not being allowed have been here forever. Here it is again. I dunno Bruce, how do you know these posts you speak of are not someone "friendly kidding"?

Looks like the tracked-over portion of ‘The Old Death Star’ (most likely from 5M10 Landing At ?) still fits the final edit of The Rise of Skywalker. In the film, this was replaced with bits of 0M1 Children’s School, 7M1 Seven One, and possibly 3M4 Quicksand!, though that title is conspicuously missing from the GEMA database, which typically contains only cues that actually appear in a film. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fjlrlhc22G-y9se1KNgFG5ToQrUvULoD/view?usp=drivesdk The emphasis on Poe’s theme here in the film version definitely stood out to me as odd, so I wasn’t surprised to learn it wasn’t intended for this scene. Though it’s actually one of only two uses of Poe’s theme in the entire film. (The other is this same bit from 7M1, but where it was intended to be heard, during a later conversation between Finn and Poe.) Poe’s theme is also featured in ‘Battle of the Resistance’ (7M12 Seven Twelve), and ‘Reunion’ (9M3 Bows), but neither of these made the film.

Read the course description again...

I think a lot of people are turned off by the setting. I think it has so much more to offer than being simply a “period” piece. For example, it even has more clever twists than shows that has twists as a feature of their inherent genres. Compared to a series like, for example, Homeland - which should have the upper hand as a “spy thriller” - Downton Abbey has so much more complexity in secret alliances, double crosses, secret pasts, power struggles, twists and turns. Can’t wait for the 2nd movie.

Furiosa to begin filming this June in Australia - “It is expected to become the biggest film ever to be made in Australia.”

One of Sir Rog's best Bonds.

I don't see why not. But it's not something we'd be able to assess untill the 2030s at the earliest. Probably later than that too. Acquring 'classic' status, and especially 'best film score of all time', takes time.

I also read the Darabont script and thought it did a great job at having those moments of reflection. (Loved that museum scene) It never got bogged down in the nostalgia. But it gave the audience a chance to catch up with our favorite adventurer. It’s odd that KOTCS borrowed a lot of ideas from THAT script. But none of its heart. An odd parallel with the rejected Ep 9: Duel of the Fates script and Rise of Skywalker I feel.

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Button is good but kinda dull - like a lot of Desplat. I actually think Wall-E would be a great pic and worked very well in the film.

Oh and despite what Thor says, La La Land is deeply deeply unhipster. It’s very sincere and lame and no hipster would be caught dead liking it. Refn’s Drive with Gosling is definitively the ultimate hipster movie

I just thought it was a given that film score fans would be more inquisitive and be more proactive in exploring where all that romanticism, expressionism, impressionism, barbarism, modernism, -ism, -ism, -ism, -asm, etc. all came from and how it developed over the last few hundred years. I can only conclude that the contextualisation of "the movies" plays a big role in the film music fan's psyche (no shit, I guess).

Balin's Tomb (m91) was the first piece recorded. On the CR, it can be heard from 1:13-3:01 in the track of the same name. Also recorded on this day - Gollum (m88) and Orc Attack (m93, appears immediately after Balin's Tomb in the CR track of the same name).

Twenty years ago today, Howard Shore took to the podium in front of the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra at Wellington Town Hall for the first Fellowship of the Ring recording session.

It's a nice set!

Brutal couple of years, huh, Shorty? First Marion, then Mutt.

Training Montage