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MM has certainly made it clear he plans to produce a comprehensive album for every film score JW ever wrote. I think sometimes people get too held up on anniversaries being an indication that that's when things will release. Even if a project was initially intended to hit one of those, so many titles miss their targets these days due to do many factors, even before covid altered the work flow of every studio and label. In recent months we learned Always was planned for its 30th Anniversary and only came out on its 32nd Anniversary, X-Men was planned for its 20th Anniversary and came out on its 21st Anniversary.... heck, we even just got a definitive Wrath Of Khan now, on its 39th Anniversary! (they chose not to wait 5 short months to make it a "40th Anniversary" branded release) I have faith we'll get a MM Hook eventually, just like I have faith we'll get MM Star Warses and Indiana Joneseses. And what a surprise all these announcements will be, whenever they happen

The following music can be heard in the film, yet is not on the LLL, the OST album, or any leak/boot (times taken from Amazon Prime display): 0:00:48-0:01:50 = the unreleased portion of the Mike Lang piano solo that underscores the Peter Pan play {1M2?} 0:08:10-0:09:15 = "God Rest You Merry, Gentlemen" heard sung by carolers outside Granny Wendy's house, not written by Williams but recorded by him for the movie 0:38:35-0:39:18 = three different vocal overlays ("Hook! Hook!", "Hook, Hook, Hook Hook!" and "Hook, Hook, Show Us The Hook! Hook, Hook, Give Us The Hook!" mixed on top of 5M5 Show Us The Hook {one of the overlays turned up on the leak, but I don't know if it is a film take or an unused take} 0:51:40-0:51:42 = a vocal overlay mixed on top of 7M2 To Neverland 0:56:26-0:56:57 = a drum insert (or alternate take?) for the basketball scene during 7M5 The Lost Boys Ballet 1:06:06-1:08:16 = "Pick 'Em Up", a song by Williams with lyrics by Leslie Bricusse 1:16:33-1:17:14 = 9M4 Insert (the film version of the Neverfeast insert; the old boots had a slightly different insert) 1:26:25-1:27:58 & 1:28:15-1:28:52 = "Take Me Out To The Ballgame", not written by Williams but recorded by him for the movie {the leak has some kind of partial take of just the backing part, without the lead} 1:47:57-1:48:15 = 13M2 Insert Bar 37 (the insert for the moment Peter shows up) 1:50:24-1:50:29 = 13M3 Insert (the insert for the moment The Lost Boys show up) And in a general sense, all the correct film take portions for many cues in the film where the boot/leak/LLL presented unused take portions instead The following music turned up in leaks/boots, but is not in the film, or on the LLL CD, or on the OST album: A take of the celeste solo in 4M4 The Arrival Of Tink played at a higher octave (making it sound more ethereal than the film/album/LLL version) A take of 5M6/6M1 Hook's Entrance that has the fanfare (heard on the LLL take) taceted out (the film uses no music for this bit) The full ending of 7M4 Enter Rufio, which is missing on the LLL for some reason The full ending of 9M3 The Banquet, which is faded down early on both the OST and the LLL A super important portion of 15M2 The End of Hook that Spielberg dialed out of the final film (the climax of the score!) Tiny portions of some of the reel 14 and 15 cues that were edited down in the final film and only presented on the LLL from the film's music stem And in a general sense, a bunch of alternate take portions, though there's of course no need to an official album to include any of these The following music was edited down in the only version released, meaning the full unedited cue is unreleased Potentially more of the Peter Pan play music (1M2?), if it was edited down for the film (with no sheet music, we don't know if it was or not) 1M4 Yuppie Sounds ("Banning Back Home" on the OST album) - the sheet music reveals where the cuts are and how much is missing Potentially more of 1M4 Yuppie Sounds (Revised Version) ("Banning Back Home (Film Version)"), if it was edited down for the film (with no sheet music, we don't know if it was or not) The following music was on the OST album, but was not included on the LLL album The original ending of 4M5/5M1 I Don't Believe In Fairies (in the track "The Arrival of Tink and the Flight To Neverland"), which was replaced in the film & LLL with a New Ending The full ending of 7M3 Lost Boys Appear (in the track "From Mermaids to Lost Boys"), which was omitted from the LLL track for some reason The actual film version of 7M6/8M1 The Face Of Pan (in the track "You Are The Pan"), which does not use choir (the LLL release included the version with choir only) The following material can be seen in sheet music leaks, and was most likely not recorded, but you never know! The original version of 5M5 Show Us The Hook, which used the Low Below theme throughout instead of switching to the Stick With Me theme The original version of 13M2 To War!!, which has a section replaced by Alternate Insert 37-39 (which is different than the Insert Bar 37 that replaced it in the final film) The original version of 15M2 The End of Hook, which had a section replaced by 15M2 Insert Bar 28 The original version of 15M4 The Next Morning, which had a section replaced by 15M4 Insert The following additional songs were mentioned by Dan Schweiger in the LLL liner notes Believe (potentially never recorded or filmed) Childhood (probably recorded as the lyrics turned up in a lyric book, unknown if filmed or not) Low Below (recorded and filmed - pictures here and video footage w/ audio here) Stick With Me (potentially never recorded or filmed) And that's not even considering the proper separation of cues that are still overlapped on the LLL, proper sourcing of music that was pulled from the film's music stem on the LLL, properly presenting the trailer cue ("Prologue") at the right speed...

My order shipped, I can now release my autobiography.

Neil S. Bulk (or IndySolo as he was once known here about 20 years ago!) and music director Deniz Cordell join me on tonight’s Movie Magic to talk about this release, and play Horner’s thematic ideas on piano. It’s a fun chat with lots of cues & insider Trek references you may enjoy. We’re on www. Belfast247Radio.com from 7-9pm (GMT)

While that's a noble goal and I'm sure everyone approached the project with the best of intentions, it does seem amazing that Disney who could, let's face it, has the clout and resources to employ the best music engineers, producers and restorers, plus give them the best equipment and plentiful time to produce the best versions of things. Yet somehow LLL, Intrada, Quartet etc. who have limited budgets to actually pay MM, let alone the resources to own/hire whatever equipment is required, yet do amazing work. I don't know how a company like Disney (and other big studios/record labels) can do such amazingly half arsed jobs. We're almost lucky that so many of the scores we love fly under the radar so they are picked up by the speciality labels. It's almost a miracle that LLL got Harry Potter, for example... I can't imagine Warners Music (or whatever branch of that empire it is) doing such a great job with those scores based on how Star Wars, Indy etc etc. has been treated.

The ones Williams will do with the LSO for a definitive 3-cd set. I am trying to have my people talk to his people to make this happen, but, as it turns out, I don't have any people.

In addition to all the missing inserts/film takes/first-generation sources etc., nobody's mentioned all the music demos. Back in 2011 when the first expansion was released, MV alluded to the fact they discovered a stack of material they weren't allowed to release (but jokingly floated it might see the light of day eventually). People have long assumed they found the song demos from the abandoned musical version of the film (before Spielberg got cold feet and removed most of those songs from the film). These were the songs that Williams wrote with Leslie Bricusse, and that was the first indication all that material might have been prepared and recorded before production, to use on set. So I'm quietly optimistic Mike might be able to convince the powers-that-be to release all that material, even though the musical was mostly abandoned. It would be a licensing nightmare however, given all the approvals involved (and could explain why the release isn't coming anytime soon -- let's not forget, a comparatively straightforward expansion like Always got stuck in approval delays for 2 years and missed its anniversary also).

There are no quotes from JW about the film itself anywhere, but here's an interesting thing he said to Richard Dyer in 1991 that somehow relates to elements of the film that spoke to himself:

My cat was so excited when I received my copy that she proffered her undercarriage. Falling And Swinging

They're here! I'm most excited about Lionheart and Extreme Prejudice, to be honest.

As Leonard Slatkin recollected in the Williams/Goldsmith tribute we did last February, one of the reasons the Pops picked JW as music director was his access to a slew of new arrangers (mostly from Hollywood) who could revive and update the Pops catalogue with new and fresh arrangements. One of the reasons why the orchestra had issues to perform with Fiedler was indeed the poor quality of the arrangements they were playing. While JW kept some of the standards made during the Fiedler years penned by Jack Mason, Glenn Osser, Joe Reisman and others, he commissioned many new ones to friends like Alexander Courage, Dick Hyman, Richard Hayman, Angela Morley, Sid Ramin. That was an absolutely crucial element of his tenure at the Pops. Of course he also crafted several by himself, but as you noted, those were incredibly busy years for him so it wouldn't have been possible to take all that arranging workload by himself.

And here a behind the scene clip of the end of the song (from an european promotional laserdisc). The clip shows the pirates coming out of the smoke tunnel that separates the pirate town and the Jolly Roger singing the end of "Low Below" song - replaced in the movie by "Show us the Hook". Lowbelow.mp4 Lowbelow.mp4 Lowbelow.mp4

Neil just indicated he's already seen the new HD versions of 3 and 4 and they are a big improvement over the old versions Tim just said it is limited to 10,000 copies due to "new Union rules". What new union rules? Does this impact post-2005 scores by any chance?

Two nice photos by BSO's Hillary Scott (from Steven Ledbetter's review of the concert): And a VIDEO of Williams and Lockhart taking turns at the beginning of Flying from E.T.: https://www.berkshireeagle.com/video-john-williams-conducts-the-bso-during-tanglewoods-annual-film-night/video_4a3d98c6-fea5-11eb-b716-3331566abec1.html

Careful what you wish for, @Manakin Skywalker! Questions like that rarely have short or simple answers…

Funny...I just did it with my file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tty9HdxhLNBgyHYqD3f2IiOMDlKpPgCa/view?usp=sharing I "potted" mine to work with the dialogue, though.

Here's likely what it would've looked like... Music only: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1isxw336BzfMz3dRUjozB6KUWYK5r3IdO/view?usp=sharing With sound: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13BboBaweq06vDvOQwPAtWBRXDlGHzPZU/view?usp=sharing

You just need to tell them you're very Eiger for a replacement disc.

Celebrate Discovery (1990) Finally back on track now after my move. This concert overture was written to celebrate Christopher Columbus's "discovery" of America. It is an example of the precise, measured writing and orchestration characteristic of this era in Williams's stylistic evolution. There is a definite feel of unity here, it is a fine piece, even if it does not break so much new compositional ground. Indeed, I rather like the classicist nature of the themes.

@Jay

The TWOK part is starting now! They are played the finale cue with Nimoy's voiceover, and there is reverb Neil just told the story of how he got the tapes. He selected what he wanted, the transfers showed up, and it was only after he began playing it that he realized it was every take of every cue instead of the selected takes reel they had the first time around. Must have been so cool to experience that! Deniz just told an interesting story about how the producers of the first film made Jerry move away from the initial "nautical" music he had recorded, while here in Trek 2 a nautical sound was desired. And I was reminded that Horner was only 28 when he wrote this! Neil talked about having to use a rip of the Stat Trek II 45RPM 7" to rebuilt its unique End Title Edit track from his new session files, to give it its digital debut! Deniz is playing the various themes on his keyboards and showing how they can interact with each other, it's very cool!

And MAO'S LAST DANCER. All of these have been mentioned earlier in the thread.

The full score of 5M6/6M1 Hook's Entrance references a playback version ("See P.B."), which almost certainly means a version of 'Low Below' was recorded.

I was one of the first to order the Harry Potter boxset (in fact my order number was the earliest out of all the ones I've seen), yet apparently it's still "awaiting shipment".

Compression - used tastefully and sensibly - is a great tool in numerous situations. My post was specifically aimed at the use of compression on already-excellent orchestral recordings. Of course, if you’re listening in the car or on a train/plane you need quite a lot of compression to stop the quieter passages being lost in the background noise but, at the risk of repeating myself, adding compression is a one-way street: easy to add if you want it but impossible to remove once it’s there. Adding a touch of judicious compression to older recordings which might be a little less than state-of-the-art (i.e. what MM does) is a different kettle of fish entirely - it can be a good way of masking annoying tape hiss, for example. Mark

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RkNLq-YR0_opIVfQ0DmvGMtRTn087u4PFEjwfbHmZF4/edit#gid=3

Thank you. The only answer I can give you is that I used to matter a tiny bit once. Maybe I will again one day, though I doubt it.

Yes, I really damn hope it'll have 3 versions of the song! Track 2 with a different ending, instrumental version+unique buildup+song restarting for the finale/credits, album version at the end of the bonus section.

I am really happy and thankful that MM gives such care and attention to the 'less important' works, though I understand they're not as big and exciting as stuff like HP and JP, but to have things like Pete N Tillie / Stanley & Iris with the same amount of love and care put into it, is a special thing, and I'm sure other smaller gems to be released in the future *coughstepmomcough*, will have the same love and care put into them. I also kind of like the mystery of wondering what gem we'll get next and I'll be excited for each one, whether it's The Paper Chase or whether it's a 10 Disc Star Wars Sequel Trilogy set.

Stepmom is one of Williams' best scores

Very funny compilation that Channel 4 put out today. I remember watching the “beamrules” bit when it aired and it had me laughing till it hurt

These demastered versions are the tangible proof of why the world need a guy like Mike Matessino.

I count 5 themes in this score, personally. Here’s where you can find them on the original soundtrack album: Mystery Theme 1 Main Title @ 0:08, 0:26 Main Theme 1 Main Title @ 0:50, 1:15, 1:44 2 Theme From The Eiger Sanction (Flugelhorn Version) @ 0:16, 1:01, 1:54 4 The Icy Ascent @ 0:15, 0:59, 2:03, 2:53 5 Friends And Enemies @ 0:21, 0:53, 1:37 7 Theme From The Eiger Sanction @ 0:16, 0:57, 1:43 9 Theme From The Eiger Sanction (Hemlock and Jemima) @ 0:00, 0:55 12 Up The Drainpipe @ 2:53 13 The Eiger @ 0:43, 1:02, 1:42 Suspense Theme 3 Fifty Miles of Desert @ 0:13, 1:00, 1:35, 2:14, 2:34 5 Friends And Enemies @ 0:00, 0:11 11 The Microfilm Killing @ 0:09, 0:27 13 The Eiger @ 0:26 Action Theme 3 Fifty Miles of Desert @ 1:47 Training Theme 8 Training With George @ 0:00, 0:37, 1:40 10 George Sets The Pace @ 0:07, 0:27, 1:02, 1:38, 2:14, 2:23 (Training Theme B Section) 8 Training With George @ 0:22 10 George Sets The Pace @ 1:10, 1:58

The first score release last year garnered a lot of praise and attention online and that was also praise for a physical cd. It would make sense that something as beloved as the HTTYD series would get a physical release in limited numbers knowing they'd sell to a larger audience than the typical film score CD enthusiasts!

Got tired of waiting for a re-stock, so I went and bought the Target exclusive with the variant cover and the bonus track "On The Chair Lift"

Very sweet how he passes on the baton. Nice gesture! This could be akward, but here it radiates ... sympathy and joy. <3

Danke! :-D "Aber die sind alle tot!" LOL Except for that ending the article is quite nice but nothing new, as had been said.

And as I recommended above... And as @TownerFan recommended above... Unfortunately, his new site doesn't offer nearly as many audio samples as before.

MONSIGNOR (EXPANDED) John Williams Less than 125 remaining!

I'm following my tradition of not listening to a score that I have ordered an expansion of (Wrath of Khan) so I'm scratching my James Horner itch: The Land Before Time I'd imagine some combination of Krull, The Rocketeer, Sneakers, Field of Dreams, and maybe Zorro will follow today. Brainstorm? Titanic?

Tracklist and duration's for the vol. 2 soundtrack releasing tomorrow (Just over two hours of music!): I've updated my spreadsheet with a speculative chronological ordering but I will update this with detailed information once the soundtrack is available. Samples are available!

I’ve never heard of this guy before, but that BEAMRULES joke in the middle is a GREAT joke.

Well album edits are the more contentious part - exclude them, and people complain, but include them (ala Sleepy Hollow) and people ask why they included them. The labels can't win either way.

The demasters have a lot of problems!

I don’t think JW has ever gone in the record with an honest opinion of a film, though I’m happy to be proved wrong. I would say this is because he’s so old-school that he would consider it unprofessional and downright vulgar in the extreme to voice an opinion on a piece of work that he was paid to contribute to. When you think about it like that, who would like to say he’s wrong and should instead stick the boot into all the second-rate films he’s had to hold his nose and write music for over the years? Mark

Any true JWFan should have a good edit of Hook by this point using all the materials available. I mean, we have an expansion and several bootlegs to work with. Yes, the last expansion wasn't great, but you shouldn't be listening to that as-is anyway. Roll your own! Our biggest problem now is we're running out of important expansions to wish for!

That’s a really poor decision, to leave off That’s Entertainment. This set is made for a true Williams collector, and that album is the only one that includes his (Oscar-winning!) adaptation of Fiddler on the Roof. They should have left off On Stage, instead.

Utilised Spotify to catch up on all JW OSTs it has that I haven't heard yet. Cinderella Liberty - Groovy enough, good enough theme (that I expected to go into the Sugarland theme when on harmonica), not a fan of the vocal performances. Not bad but didn't feel it had much substance. Jaws 2 - already heard the expansion but the thread has traffic, why not. Still don't like it, feels like JW just knocking himself off, all those kinda interesting moments interrupted with a blurting unsubtle loud DUNDUNDUNDUN Shark A without any finesse or interesting embellishments, none of the buildup of the first... not for me. Heartbeeps - I was shocked to like this as much as I did. Even bought it on presto afterwards. Cheesy but cute and very very JW-ey once you adjust to the synth's prominence. Only somewhat lost me in the second half in the stretch where the two main themes are mostly abandoned. The Witches of Eastwick - Liked this one too. Good varied string use, overall pretty Elfmany - even if the Elfmanyness we know mostly came after this one! The Accidental Tourist - Liked this one too! Alwaysy but less sugary and with even less of a thematic/narrative arc, but it did manage to keep my attention and I liked its sound. Stepmom - This one on the other hand did not manage to keep my attention.

And I hope this means a deluxe for the 3rd one is not far behind That's the one I want the most as a deluxe. Only for high quality version of the final battle and the cue were Toothless gets captured

I just KNEW as soon I bought the original pressings of this entire series off Amazon and started listening to them, something like this would happen!