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  1. I’ve attempted to piece together what’s actually heard in the final cut, which is—believe it or not—even more convoluted than the November 11th version, with considerably more tracking and micro-editing of cues. The GEMA database reveals the order each cue initially appears in the film, but there’s so much tracking even that information isn’t as helpful as it might seem.
    6 points
  2. My sister, cousin and 6-year old niece went to the performance last night. My niece has been to the bowl before, but not to see John Williams. Her review is succinct: ”I had no idea idea this would be so magical. I wish this night would never end.”
    5 points
  3. Looks like he was in great shape alright. A pic from Henry Stanny's ("Morricone" on FSM) Facebook page:
    2 points
  4. This observation is true. It is the mystery theme. (you can see this in @Falstafts Catalogue !)
    2 points
  5. Would he have given up Geisha or Munich? I don't think he would have.
    2 points
  6. There are two reasons why JW did not score GOF: 1/ Newell had worked with Doyle before, and wanted him on the project, and 2/ at the time, it was well known around Tinseltown that Newell disliked JW's music. Sadly, the filmmakers seriously underestimated the kudos that JW had brought to the series, and caved. Shame. If they'd said: "No JW, no direct", the film world could have had five more world-class scores, instead of three.
    2 points
  7. It's ok. A bit of Pink Floyd, a bit of Gladiatorian wailing, a good chunk of Angels & Demons repurposed. I had hoped - on this occasion - for more of his Ofra Haza-tinged Prince of Egypt stuff (a desert is desert, after all), but this remains rather vague during the course of 70 minutes.
    2 points
  8. Yeah, maybe the theater you went to had a lack in their sound system. I definitely heard brass during the action sequences, particularly the climax. This. I echo this statement.
    2 points
  9. JNH did a really good job with the theme's for FBWT so I don't think Williams was neaded.
    2 points
  10. So, we will have the 3 pieces for sure.(picture) Was to be expected. I am surprised that the Elegy is performed again. I am also angry that Anne-Sophie Mutter is not there. Germany is just her home country. Furthermore, I would be happy to see some sad string pieces, e.g. The Immolation Scene or Anakin's Dark Deeds. So far, the Adagio from Star Wars 7 has not been performed enough, only in the concert in Walt Disney Hall, and honestly, it was not an exhilarating interpretation, compared to the inspiration on the album. In general, I would be happy to hear more unfamiliar pieces. I agree with the thesis that nowadays almost only the hits are performed, which is of course sad considering the vast repertoire. Well then, I'm still very happy to have gotten tickets at all, and even more so that he comes across the Atlantic again is a miracle. Then just listen to the version with Anne-Sophie Mutter and your opinion will change immediately.
    2 points
  11. I was pretty ignorant of Herrmann in general save for a few general pieces of pop culture absorption, and remedying that was in the back of my mind for a while. This Decca Phase 4 set came at a perfect time, and, though it's "just" a reissue of all 7 albums of his released under this label, it happens to be the perfect overview and thus entry point into his works. Represented here are rerecordings/rearrangements of pieces and suites from his Hitchcock and Harryhausen collaboration strings, genres ranging from thriller to fantasy, sci-fi, romantic or adventure, rerecordings of others' works, as well as a proper OST of one of his last scores. The set is very well presented, a nice sturdy cardboard box housing a booklet with detailed album and track information and a small essay about the composer's career and more important works, and of course the discs themselves in cardboard sleeves that are CD-sized facsimiles of the original LP art, front and back - meaning original liner notes with context and track-by track descriptions are also included instead of being lost to time, forgotten or ignored, which I'm always very happy about. I enjoyed reading along, though the font obviously becomes very small and tough to read - bring a magnifier glass or take a photo and zoom in! The sound is what it is, less busy sections mostly sound pretty good, but in grander parts the brass and percussion can suffer. The performances are all very good of course. Overall the set paints the picture of an artist in his last decade not only caring about preserving and commercially presenting his own legacy (not unlike Williams revisiting his own works in concert, for new albums, and of course the remastered expanded reissues), but that of his other fellow film composers as well. I barely skimmed the tracklist and bought this set mostly blind, but I come away with a much more pleasant mental image of Herrmann than what I had before (based on throwaway remarks and anecdotes), and some killer albums to replay!
    2 points
  12. Going thru entry, I’ve not seen any programs or merch (shirts, posters) for sale. 😢 Have usually passed a couple of spots by now in previous years.
    2 points
  13. As MikeH said, it was just a case of temp tracking (the director and/or editors tracking music from other films to the scene and asking the composer to get as close to it as possible) so it wouldn't have really been his decision.
    1 point
  14. https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3367-how-much-does-williams-make-per-score/ https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21413-john-williams-salary/ https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/31180-how-much-does-a-top-composer-like-williams-shore-zimmer-make-per-score/
    1 point
  15. It’s not the exact same material, it’s JW rewriting the temp (which definitely is AOTC) but altering it a bit. The lines composed on top of the celli arpeggios are very different from the original recording.
    1 point
  16. Bruder! Mein Bruder! Siegmund, ha! Bit of a strange thing to get all incestuous about?
    1 point
  17. Bruder! Mein Bruder! Siegmund, ha! I will say, Order of the Phoenix wasn't my favourite until a rewatch when that ending suddenly hit real hard. All the camera inventiveness Cuaron could throw into Prisoner of Azkaban couldn't surpass that.
    1 point
  18. WB execs in the mid-2000s: "John Williams can not score the next Potter movies! They're going to be very dark, gritty, violent, disturbing and sinister, and Williams never wrote music as dark as we need. He just write cute stuff for Ewoks and kid protagonists. This is why we should hire a newcomer who never wrote anything for a blockbuster before!" "Agreed. Also, we can pay him one tenth of what we'd have to pay if Williams was the composer. We won't be wasting money with music so we can spend more in digital effects and famous English actors!"
    1 point
  19. Right and some boots label the Kunzel recording as an "alternate" That's a list of what's included in the sheet music leak This thread has good posts from Incanus figuring out what's what https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20741-rebuilding-the-filmographies-section-of-the-main-page-week-4-witches-of-eastwick/e
    1 point
  20. Because Mike is a damn good producer. Probably the best in the business John is very particular about how his music is handled and presented, and he also likes to surround himself with the best people in the industry, be it musicians or technicians. Mike's been working through his catalog for about 10 years now, so clearly JW trusts the way Mike presents his music.
    1 point
  21. Nowadays he's the only album producer Williams wants working on remasters/expansions of his catalog. When it comes to Star Wars though, nobody knows if anything is happening (insofar as expanded releases). Disney/Lucasfilm own the rights to all 9 scores outright, so only they can instigate expanded releases and they would only come out on their own record label (Walt Disney Records). Usually these things are instigated by the boutique labels (La-La Land Records, Intrada, etc) who acquire a licence, get the approval from Williams to proceed, then hire Mike to produce it. Because Disney won't licence Star Wars out to any of these labels, we just have to wait for them to instigate such a project. All we've heard for 3-4 years is that "everybody wants to do it, and everyone knows it needs to happen," with no indication anything is being worked on.
    1 point
  22. https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33778-john-williams-returns-to-the-hollywood-bowl-sept-3-4-5-2021/&do=findComment&comment=1831662
    1 point
  23. I found the last two films really boring. I actually only really found the films Hooper scored particularly interesting to me. They feel more grown up than the first load of films, but before everything just gets really dark and apocalyptic.
    1 point
  24. Mike had no involvement in the film, no. But he's the only album producer who can assemble a release that makes sense of everything recorded, and present it in a musically cohesive way. Shawn Murphy was only the score recordist. Ramiro Belgardt and his team of assistants edited the music to picture, but they were only following instructions from higher ups. Williams is too polite to have a confrontation on such matters (at least publicly). In the same way you wouldn't criticize your boss when they screw up and create hours of work for you, Williams is showing self-deprecating humbleness by insisting the issues were his fault. I'm sure it's a very different story behind closed doors. Yes, there's little doubt about who's at fault for the entire debacle. One need only watch the film to see that.
    1 point
  25. My order is something along these lines: 1, 3, 2, 4, 6, 5, ......... ,7, 8 GoF, CoS and OOTP/HPB are a bit interchangeable for me. Lots of strengths and weaknesses.
    1 point
  26. Provocant saying that on jwfan.com😂, but you can see that everyone like something else to Harry Potter and it should be like that. Hedwig's Theme is, I believe, the only snippet from Williams' score that is used in the movies after him "prominently". (Except for the Voldemort "Semi" Theme, which is later used by Desplat. Doyle just forgot it completely and made something else, but well)
    1 point
  27. I bought the Phase 4 set too, and I echo your sentiments @Holko I wish there were a few more pieces from North by Northwest - does anyone know if there was a remastered score for that film available anywhere?
    1 point
  28. Well, at the concert in Vienna I didn't like the Star Wars main theme. I don't know if it was really like that, but I have the feeling that once the brass section is out of sync at the beginning and the timpani doesn't play cleanly at the end. It's also way too slow for my liking. But I think John Williams plays it slower and slower over the years, so my observation. The Berliner Philharmoniker have played the main theme before and that sounds good. https://youtu.be/-3qqHdiewSE Although the brass section doesn’t sound entirely in sync here either. But the Berliner Philharmoniker have a good sound and no matter what they play, under the conducting of John Williams it will be great! But why?? It's the B theme, right? Is it too childish? Maybe it's a little bit, but still great ... For me the A-Theme is the epitome of the lydian mode and expresses such peace and quiet, wonderful.
    1 point
  29. I'm happy Mutter isn't there. Loved her with the 2. concerto but the encore was awful in TW. I agree with eitam about Yoda's theme, wonderful in the film but in concert of this caliber, meh. Great arrangement with ASM doesn't help. I loved Vienna concert but it was too much ASM.
    1 point
  30. That's the planet Barcelona, and not the city. They've got dogs there, with no noses. Imagine how many times a day you could the that joke...and its still funny!
    1 point
  31. Yates has no taste, so it makes sense he wouldn't work with JW.
    1 point
  32. It's not composed as a joke. It is of course written to overwhelm the singer unless she is very strong, but it's still well written. The Gerhardt recording with Te Kanawa is stunning.
    1 point
  33. Did anyone else attend the BBC Prom concert of British film music on Thursday? It was wonderful. Here is the programme: For The Belles of St. Trinian’s, the seven percussionists (all men) donned St. Trinian’s boaters, badges and pigtails. The encore was another Malcolm Arnold classic, The Bridge on the River Kwai, in which the audience joined in whistling the Colonel Bogey March.
    1 point
  34. Williams Potter scores as a whole of course span various styles, and Williams himself also has his roster of general influences. But Harry's Wondrous World in particular always had a distinctly British touch to me.
    1 point
  35. I'm listening to this now. I like it! Karol
    1 point
  36. Dune: I tried to edit this post but all the embedded attachments disappeared.
    1 point
  37. JW goes outside, inhales, exhales, walks a couple of steps, hits a golfball in any direction, glass shatters in the distance, leading to the solution of using a glass harmonica for a new composition. Walks a couple of steps more, waves to an elderly couple dodging golfballs hit by other composers he doesn't wave to, hits another golfball, hears an "Ow!" in the distance, thinks of using an ocarina to imitate the sound of an owl, inhales, exhales, remembers the old wind machine he'd gotten at a yard sale at Jerry G. old digs, walks a couple of steps, notices his stomach grumbling, and returns home, leaving behind yelling over a broken window, now two couples on the ground and some CO2 molecules. The turtleneck remains in place. Or something like that.
    1 point
  38. As far as I know, it's first and only mention is by this user.
    1 point
  39. Some listener comments from the ole’ Hans-zimmer.com forum suggest overall it’s a mix of Dark Phx and Prince of Egypt. Very interested to give this a listen once it drops here in the states. It will be odd/kinda cool to hear Zimmer’s process first via a sketches album and then hear the ost.
    1 point
  40. Shang-Chi as a movie was amazing. Cast, story, VFX & cinematography are mindblowing. Something totally new for the MCU The score, for me personally, is all I wanted. Big orchestra, Chinese instruments and themes. I also thought it was great that they not always decided to score the action but the drama in the fight/action scenes. That really gave a strong emotional connection with the characters and made it clear that they were not just fighting for cool scenes. The story drove the action. And that really trancended beautifully in the music.
    1 point
  41. Made a mini-mockup of a small cue 3m23 No, No... No! from TFA. This cue is completely cut from the film, but some bits remain in one of the documentaries. The cue is intended for the scene where Rey and Finn are trying to fix the ship and Finn talks about "his" base. One interesting thing about this cue is the nice "quiet" use of the Pursuit theme in a slightly ironic context. There are at least two versions of this cue - but the "revised" version is a slightly abridged version of the original, adapted for new cut. Something like this would look like a scene with this music (here I used the "Revised" version, but I had to adapt some shots, since the cue was even shorter than the scene). And here is the original version separately, if anyone is interested. ragoz350 · TFA 3M23 No, No... No!
    1 point
  42. I think my time here has come to an end. Life as of late has been very busy and I just don’t have the time anymore to devote to contributing to these boards. For those reading this, I wish you well, and sincerely hope that your love for the art of film scoring that brought you to this site never fades. Long live John Williams!
    1 point
  43. Just listen to Game of Thrones - that's a good approximation of what Zimmer's music would sound like in the LOTR universe.
    1 point
  44. "Screw this, I'm outa here!" *hums E.T*
    1 point
  45. This thread needs more "Where There's a Whip There's a Way."
    1 point
  46. I'll defend that score to my dying day. And the film has its merits, too, a few at least.
    1 point
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