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I’ve attempted to piece together what’s actually heard in the final cut, which is—believe it or not—even more convoluted than the November 11th version, with considerably more tracking and micro-editing of cues. The GEMA database reveals the order each cue initially appears in the film, but there’s so much tracking even that information isn’t as helpful as it might seem.

My sister, cousin and 6-year old niece went to the performance last night. My niece has been to the bowl before, but not to see John Williams. Her review is succinct: ”I had no idea idea this would be so magical. I wish this night would never end.”

Looks like he was in great shape alright. A pic from Henry Stanny's ("Morricone" on FSM) Facebook page:

This observation is true. It is the mystery theme. (you can see this in @Falstafts Catalogue !)

Encores were

Would he have given up Geisha or Munich? I don't think he would have.

There are two reasons why JW did not score GOF: 1/ Newell had worked with Doyle before, and wanted him on the project, and 2/ at the time, it was well known around Tinseltown that Newell disliked JW's music. Sadly, the filmmakers seriously underestimated the kudos that JW had brought to the series, and caved. Shame. If they'd said: "No JW, no direct", the film world could have had five more world-class scores, instead of three.

It's ok. A bit of Pink Floyd, a bit of Gladiatorian wailing, a good chunk of Angels & Demons repurposed. I had hoped - on this occasion - for more of his Ofra Haza-tinged Prince of Egypt stuff (a desert is desert, after all), but this remains rather vague during the course of 70 minutes.

Yeah, maybe the theater you went to had a lack in their sound system. I definitely heard brass during the action sequences, particularly the climax. This. I echo this statement.

JNH did a really good job with the theme's for FBWT so I don't think Williams was neaded.

So, we will have the 3 pieces for sure.(picture) Was to be expected. I am surprised that the Elegy is performed again. I am also angry that Anne-Sophie Mutter is not there. Germany is just her home country. Furthermore, I would be happy to see some sad string pieces, e.g. The Immolation Scene or Anakin's Dark Deeds. So far, the Adagio from Star Wars 7 has not been performed enough, only in the concert in Walt Disney Hall, and honestly, it was not an exhilarating interpretation, compared to the inspiration on the album. In general, I would be happy to hear more unfamiliar pieces. I agree with the thesis that nowadays almost only the hits are performed, which is of course sad considering the vast repertoire. Well then, I'm still very happy to have gotten tickets at all, and even more so that he comes across the Atlantic again is a miracle. Then just listen to the version with Anne-Sophie Mutter and your opinion will change immediately.

I was pretty ignorant of Herrmann in general save for a few general pieces of pop culture absorption, and remedying that was in the back of my mind for a while. This Decca Phase 4 set came at a perfect time, and, though it's "just" a reissue of all 7 albums of his released under this label, it happens to be the perfect overview and thus entry point into his works. Represented here are rerecordings/rearrangements of pieces and suites from his Hitchcock and Harryhausen collaboration strings, genres ranging from thriller to fantasy, sci-fi, romantic or adventure, rerecordings of others' works, as well as a proper OST of one of his last scores. The set is very well presented, a nice sturdy cardboard box housing a booklet with detailed album and track information and a small essay about the composer's career and more important works, and of course the discs themselves in cardboard sleeves that are CD-sized facsimiles of the original LP art, front and back - meaning original liner notes with context and track-by track descriptions are also included instead of being lost to time, forgotten or ignored, which I'm always very happy about. I enjoyed reading along, though the font obviously becomes very small and tough to read - bring a magnifier glass or take a photo and zoom in! The sound is what it is, less busy sections mostly sound pretty good, but in grander parts the brass and percussion can suffer. The performances are all very good of course. Overall the set paints the picture of an artist in his last decade not only caring about preserving and commercially presenting his own legacy (not unlike Williams revisiting his own works in concert, for new albums, and of course the remastered expanded reissues), but that of his other fellow film composers as well. I barely skimmed the tracklist and bought this set mostly blind, but I come away with a much more pleasant mental image of Herrmann than what I had before (based on throwaway remarks and anecdotes), and some killer albums to replay!

Going thru entry, I’ve not seen any programs or merch (shirts, posters) for sale. 😢 Have usually passed a couple of spots by now in previous years.

That's Bob Wise, for ya!

Ready Player One. That was pretty good. Some key dialogue is treated a little too quickly (no pun intended), so I’ll definitely have to watch it again at some point. And Ben Mendelsohn was actually great in this one. No idea why he had to be so annoying in Captain Marvel. I really did not like Olivia Cooke, though, but Helen grew on me. The first half is definitely the better one and I shudder to think about the sequel unless Spielberg and Silvestri stay involved. Speaking of which, the score was truly magnificent. Why did Marvel even bother employing Silvestri only to waste his talents afterwards? God, I’m really laying into marvel today, aren’t I? The main theme was great and its variations fantastic, but most importantly, the orchestra was doing interesting things during quieter scenes. I even recognised some JW traits and honestly don’t understand why Williams wanted to do The Post instead. Not complaining, though. Also, someone had the idea to turn down the volume of the score so that the audio-describer would be more understandable, I guess? Another reason to buy the DVD. Wishlist, here I come. This has been a good film weekend.

The game rip files are lossy, and the amount of music not on the soundtrack is minimal (the OST has over 3 hours of music). So I would personally 100% recommend the soundtrack.

It’s not the exact same material, it’s JW rewriting the temp (which definitely is AOTC) but altering it a bit. The lines composed on top of the celli arpeggios are very different from the original recording.

Gloriously over the top. General sound and some awkward edits cloud it a bit, will look into the Talow. That's a 6/7 for me for the whole set, maybe 6.5.

Bruder! Mein Bruder! Siegmund, ha! I will say, Order of the Phoenix wasn't my favourite until a rewatch when that ending suddenly hit real hard. All the camera inventiveness Cuaron could throw into Prisoner of Azkaban couldn't surpass that.

Not necessarily. If it's stock music it may not be. Will this be another case where an expansion happens, and the omission of one source cue which may or may not be Williams, causes mass carnage?

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WB execs in the mid-2000s: "John Williams can not score the next Potter movies! They're going to be very dark, gritty, violent, disturbing and sinister, and Williams never wrote music as dark as we need. He just write cute stuff for Ewoks and kid protagonists. This is why we should hire a newcomer who never wrote anything for a blockbuster before!" "Agreed. Also, we can pay him one tenth of what we'd have to pay if Williams was the composer. We won't be wasting money with music so we can spend more in digital effects and famous English actors!"

No. I've updated my post with additional info, plus a playlist of unofficially-released albums.

-Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order (first SW video game album ever officially released) -Star Wars: Squadrons -Star Wars: Battlefront -Star Wars: Battlefront II (There was also an album for Star Wars: The Old Republic that was released only as part of the Collector's Edition bundle of the game) Those are all of the official video game soundtrack releases we have so far. I don't count Shadows of the Empire as it was not recorded for the game, which came out a year or two after the album. Now as for composer promos as well as fan-made edits, I have most of them up on my channel playlist, with track lists in the descriptions:

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I own that recording as well. Still I have to say, I prefer listening to the two suites, the one on the Gerhardt album plus the one on the Herrmann album. Is in my opinion the better listening experience for Citizen Kane. But the Hangover Square score in combination with the piano concerto is nice of course.

There's never been a leak of any TWOE music. All "bootleg"s are just fan edits that combine the OST, iso score, and Kunzel re-recording in different ways

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33778-john-williams-returns-to-the-hollywood-bowl-sept-3-4-5-2021/&do=findComment&comment=1831662

Mike had no involvement in the film, no. But he's the only album producer who can assemble a release that makes sense of everything recorded, and present it in a musically cohesive way. Shawn Murphy was only the score recordist. Ramiro Belgardt and his team of assistants edited the music to picture, but they were only following instructions from higher ups. Williams is too polite to have a confrontation on such matters (at least publicly). In the same way you wouldn't criticize your boss when they screw up and create hours of work for you, Williams is showing self-deprecating humbleness by insisting the issues were his fault. I'm sure it's a very different story behind closed doors. Yes, there's little doubt about who's at fault for the entire debacle. One need only watch the film to see that.

There's an assumption there that JW would've stuck around for all 8 movies, with all the director and tonal changes. I'm not sure he had the same dedication to Potter that he's clarly displayed for SW. For me, CoS is the biggest 'could have' of the series, as it's very clear that given the two simultaneous scores he did, CMIYC got his proper attention. There is far too much tracking and general reuse to argue that he was able to dedicate the required time to CoS. Now it doesn't mean I'm singing the praises of all the subsequent scores. Desplat's and Hooper's entries have some of the dullest scoring I've heard in the franchise (although I find far more to like in Hooper's), but it doesn't automatically mean that JW would 'obviously' have provided more interesting scores. I think the final two films are boring as hell.

I love Doyle's score.

In my opinion, Doyle did the worst job of all. Of course he had John Williams behind him, which is generally a burden for a composer, but unfortunately his score generates zero emotions for me and hardly has a good moment in the film. Wow! Didn't knew that one. Thanks!

Oh, definitely! And Prokofiev and Shostakovich and Borodin... In fact John Williams even recorded an entire album paying homage to the classic Russian masters.

I bought the Phase 4 set too, and I echo your sentiments @Holko I wish there were a few more pieces from North by Northwest - does anyone know if there was a remastered score for that film available anywhere?

I'm happy Mutter isn't there. Loved her with the 2. concerto but the encore was awful in TW. I agree with eitam about Yoda's theme, wonderful in the film but in concert of this caliber, meh. Great arrangement with ASM doesn't help. I loved Vienna concert but it was too much ASM.

That's the planet Barcelona, and not the city. They've got dogs there, with no noses. Imagine how many times a day you could the that joke...and its still funny!

I prefer JNH.

Nice! Good to see Golden Age titles in a concert programme that aren't just the standard Hollywood/US fare.

That is very incomplete, it's just 1 hour of highlights. The LLL main program is 85 minutes, and after that there's a wealth of alternates that are actually interesting to listen to, which is not always the case with expansions. https://lalalandrecords.com/star-trek-the-motion-picture-limited-edition-3-cd-set/

Did anyone else attend the BBC Prom concert of British film music on Thursday? It was wonderful. Here is the programme: For The Belles of St. Trinian’s, the seven percussionists (all men) donned St. Trinian’s boaters, badges and pigtails. The encore was another Malcolm Arnold classic, The Bridge on the River Kwai, in which the audience joined in whistling the Colonel Bogey March.

Thought I was going to make it through a whole desert-themed score without hearing a duduuk…and then the last minute of “Shai-hulud” happens 😆

All these posts violate the current board rules. You all may discuss how she may or may feel about JW's music but leave politics out of it. Thank you.

Agreed. The best movies are the ones he scored

Sound The Bells (1993) The theme of JW composing for royalty continues. Sound The Bells is a sparkling occasional piece written as a gift for the wedding of Crown Prince Naruhito and Masako Owada. The Boston Pops was touring Japan at the time. Originally, the work was for brass and percussion, but a fuller arrangement was crafted and appears on the American Journey album. The joyous fanfare motif blends very nicely with the flowing melodic theme. There are echoes of Jurassic Park here, but the mood is much more definite, with no dark happenings on the horizon. I like it a lot.

JW UMG possibilities: I could see a 50th anniversary Fiddler on the Roof coming up. The film's release date was November 3rd, 1971 according to Google so that would match up perfectly for an October / BF release! It's also the 25th anniversary for Sleepers, film's release date was October 18th, 1996 per Google. Doubtful this film would be tied to an anniversary release but still a slight possibility. JW SME possibilities: Of course Hook would be my first choice for its 30th anniversary, film release was December 11th, 1991. I won't hold out hope for it though. Other contenders... The Reivers, the film was released on Christmas Day, 1969. Historically significant release for sure! SpaceCamp is 35th anniversary this year, but I would guess that it would be under Intrada territory still? The movie was released on June 6th, 1986.

I can hear the excessive use of the Duduk from here... Goodbye, rhaita and nay flute! You will be missed.

"Screw this, I'm outa here!" *hums E.T*

Aw, I miss cuddly, fat LOTR-era Peter Jackson with those round glasses.

I'll defend that score to my dying day. And the film has its merits, too, a few at least.