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!!!!!! https://deadline.com/2021/09/the-lord-of-the-rings-composer-howard-shore-score-amazon-tv-series-middle-earth-jrr-tolkien-1234839274/

Here we go again, judging an entire score by just a few seconds of the end of a cue...

If you didn`t know it yet. John Williams was also session pianist along with Bill Miller on three tracks of the amazing Sinatra album "Frank Sinatra Sings For Only The Lonely"! https://sinatraology.com/person/view/870

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I'll never understand how fans can pick up on these things so quickly, yet the people spending months working on them, don't (or don't care?). Everything you just listed should have been addressed before signing off on this release and making it available.

A few years ago I built my own slipcases for both trilogies, and until some REALLY ultimate edition comes out, these will continue to do nicely on the shelf. I'll just have to swap-out the movie discs for the UHD-ones (I got the barebones sets). A little bit of a "making of", if you're interested how these were built: https://imgur.com/a/brfa4

Agreed 100%. And you raise an interesting point... What if they accidentally released a temp master? I doubt it, but you never know. To my ears, there are just way too many screw-ups to explain how something like this got released as an actual final product. And you're right; just because something is a job and the person/people working on it may not be "fans" or even like the project - doesn't mean all these errors are acceptable. If anything, it should be *less* acceptable, since these people are getting *paid* to do this. It was.

I am now at peace. It's beautiful. What's the legacy collection?

Don't complain too much guys. Remember we missed out on flawed but still better than nothing UEs of AOtC and RotS because people bitched and moaned about TPM UE. I want my Aladdin, Hercules, Mulan and The Rescuers Down Under LCs.

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Doesn't Botnick usually work alongside somebody else, doing the mix/master but not necessarily the assembly? Did Disney even communicate it to him that what he turns in will be the final assembly, it won't pass through a couple more layers of finetuning? How many uncredited employees did it go through, were they the ones who messed some things up like with Little Mermaid after Neil Bulk turned in an errorless master? We simply have virtually no information on where to put the blame. But treating art like this is deplorable. Disney of all companies with their infinite money should be able to afford hiring the best of the best who do care and love the material, and give them ample time to work on it.

Quite frankly, those two likely only turned out the way they did because of the directors involved. You could've also mentioned Shazam, with its more retro sound (though I don't remember the theme enough to know if it's particularly a cut above what's here). MoS, BvS, JL, and now The Batman have this particular thing, primarily because of being the tentpoles that WB had/have their strict eye on. At the very least with JL, Elfman still got to be pretty expressive with the simpler confines the themes from that score offered him, so I feel fairly inclined to agree with others that this still isn't too much to judge from. Don't think I agree with the Imperial March comparisons, since once more, this is another Batman composer that couldn't help but take a page from past efforts. And I suppose it's a little more blatant here, given this used to be the Affleck solo film, so perhaps Warners were really itching for more of that despite the change in direction.

Dune seems to be doing alright: https://deadline.com/2021/09/dune-opening-weekend-shang-chi-global-international-box-office-1234839288/

Not that they need me as a cheerleader or anything, but: Seriously. This is the release of the year. And this was the same summer where I got Always and The Wrath of Khan!

Oh, I meant Shawm.

Well it's definitely some kind of central identity, since "variations" (if you can even call it that) of that been in all the music teasers so far. It's generic crap. And does nothing to whet the appetite for a new Batman score.

Temporarily, sure. Even the recent high concentration of mistakes was nothing compared to this frankly unfinished mess. At this rate I want them to never do SW and Indy - that way they can't fuck them up and I won't have to pay them an attocent. This is how my edit ended up: All fixes I listed, minus the AHSMTW stinger and the TBOND bells. I picked the by far most tolerable Someday (to me), ignored all the demos and crap, Finale is The Bell Tower from the OST transitioning into the credits rip instrumental/alternate. Cover is @WampaRat's gem found here:

Okay, what must one do to beat this release into shape? 1-01 The Bells of Notre Dame - opening missing the film version bells overlay, can be ripped from the film if desired. 1-03 Out There - glitch at 1:34 removed by simply splitting it there and dragging the second half forward slightly, making the halves crossfade. 1-05 Feast of Fools - the very beginning needs a slight fade in, previous track ends on total silence, this one pops in with room noise and breath slightly before the music starts 1-07 The Pillory - 1:13 - next cue pops in with a room noise level from total silence, needs a fadein. OST has a shortened ending in a different key. At 2:22 the strings lower in volume for a short time and come back as if there's a transition or performance edit with a slight crossfade there. There's a pop right at the very end, needs a fadeout. 1-08 Humiliation - needs a fadein at the start, at 0:08 for the next cue's opening and a fadeout at the end, since the next track's room noise already starts here. 1-09 Frollo's Judgment - needs a fadein at the start, and a fadeout at the end since the next track pops in here already 1-10 God Help The Outcasts - needs a fadein at the start, and a fadeout at the end since the next track pops in here already 1-11 The Cathedral - needs a fadein at the start. A bad (but fixable with a loop) take transition pop at 0:18, one at 0:24 (fixable by removing that section and bridging it with a crossfade), one at 0:45 (fixable by a crossfade again). For the left channel dropouts at 1:48, you have to grab The Bell Tower from the OST and patch it in - I recommend replacing roughly 1:39-2:27 of the LE track with the corresponding section, roughly 0:53-1:39 of the OST track, these border points are easy to transition. Awful cue pop-in at 2:37, needs a fadein. Click at 3:54, can be looped over, cue pop-in right after that needs a fadein. Awful cue pop-in at 5:05, needs a fadein. 1-12 Heaven's Light/Hellfire - cue pop-in at 0:39, needs a fadein. 1-14 A Guy Like You -the next track begins already at the end of this track, has to be separated out and joined to it if separateness is desired. 1-15 Escape - as said before, its opening is at the end of 1-14. 1-17 Sanctuary - The transition into the next track is not correct according to the movie, there should be one voiceless drumroll, the voices only enter after the second one. Can be fixed with a movie rip. 1-18 And He Shall Smite The Wicked - the Big One. 8:02- we have 2 minutes missing, can be patched in with 1:38-end of the OST track of the same name. As released, the OST track version's missing a brass stinger insert/overlay at 1:49, can be ripped from the film if desired. 2-01 Emergence - the previously unreleased held strings at 0:56 sound like they're looped. Can be shortened with a crossfade to the rhythmic and lengthwise desires of the individual listener. 2-02 The Bells of Notre Dame (Reprise) - IMO the stereo field of 0:49- of the OST track is less jarring, can be replaced if desired. Bonus: Film credits end with The Bell Tower without choir and an alternate ending. Can be ripped from the movie. Thanks to @JohnnyD for the info about film differences!

We still need a leak of Dunkirk I say!

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Oh gosh, yep... For some reason there's a little sliver of silence inserted between the string intro and his entrance. You can actually hear a little blip from the last string note repeated when he sings his first words... EDIT: Maybe Botnick tried to edit two takes together, the instrumental intro and then a different take for the song. It obviously didn't go as well as planned. I could tell something was "off" when I first heard it, but now I know why: it's that little blip of strings that plays out of nowhere, when he starts singing. Ugh. Start at 1:34 and listen at half speed. You'll see what I mean. @Holko

They should release everything so they won't have to release anything ever again.

Do so it's extremely fun, subtle and really underated too.

Well, I`ve known John Williams`father worked as percussionist with Frank Sinatra but did not have further info about recordings. That`s why I was checking Sinatra`s discography in order to gather more details and became successful even twice. On the one hand, I obtained data of the John Williams` Jr. credit. On the other hand, I also got details about a recording with his father. Johnny Williams is credited on two tracks as session musician of an orchestra conducted by Morris Stoloff for the musical comedy film "Pal Joey" starring Rita Hayworth, Frank Sinatra and Kim Novak. Both tracks "I Didn`t Know What Time It Was" and "Dream Sequence and Finale" were recorded September 25, 1957. https://sinatraology.com/person/view/2851

Sure, when we get zero effort trash, we should just eat it up. Oh dear, I'm so sad we didn't get a bunch of awfully hacked up TPM material officially released alongside all the stuff that leaked in other places anyway. Good riddance to that moronic UE idea.

It is superb but I actually enjoy the brooding intensity of Shirley Walker’s for Mask of the Phantasm. It’s pretty much the first theme that comes to mind when I think of Batman which is kinda odd to given that I’ve known the Elfman one much longer and the score itself is one of my favourite ever. I’ll wait for the album to pass judgment but I just don’t feel these kinds of epic theme are Giacchino’s forte somehow. His Star Trek theme is pretty meh compared to most of those for the earlier movies.

Absolutely. And his soundtracks are some of the coolest compilation albums around. My review of Warner's brilliant score for MARY SHELLEY is one of the most popular on Celluloid Tunes, especially because Warner shared it herself on her social media accounts. I didn't review this, but it was certainly another highlight last year. Unashamed, straightforward Irish folk music meets broad orchestral landscapes at times. A kind of "Fenton Lite". (Warner is Jamie Dornan's wife, btw, who stars in this).

My first Genesis album (along with Trick of the Tail)

I will be monitoring its box office success like my life depends on it!

Glad to see this doing alright at the box office. Can't wait to watch this in the US. We need more epic serious sci-fi like this.

Walker and Goldenthal did pretty well in writing a great theme after Elfman's

The really shocking reveal is that the Zimmer Ninjas are at this moment sneaking into everyone's physical and digital collections an erasing all traces of Barry's recordings. HEY! Even The Incredible's teaser is now Zimmer! The old posters at least used to have the "Massive Military Force in a Battle Scene". Man, I miss posters like that. Kind of like Luke / Leia / Vader / ALL THE X-WINGS IN THE GALAXY!

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Absolutely, Richard! It's no accident that Tales From Topographic Oceans is the favorite Yes album of my friend, you know, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway guy. He always seem to love these very extensive works.

Very good work. Have to admit that my music editing skills are not up to it so may have to ignore these glitches when I finally buy it (going to hold off on the chance it gets fixed… but I don’t hold out much hope). However I think we should now have a moratorium on any complaints about minor glitches on releases from the film music speciality labels! ;-)

I am not sure If this two-note thing that worked for Jaws will also work for Batman. But maybe according to the music sample this time Batman is going to be a slow brainless eating machine that aims just for food and making new little Batmen. Could be interesting.

I’m really enjoying this thread, especially learning about the German stage adaptations, which were unknown to me. So I went to YouTube tonight to listen to the cast album (1999), given the enthusiasm folks here show for it. And I absolutely love it. It is f$@&ing amazing. Esmeralda is a drop dead phenomenal song/track; I must have listened to it full a half dozen times and scrubbed back over the gorgeous main theme and its reprises countless times more. Cannot get enough of it. And then I found that the 2017 version is also on YT and I did it all over again. The song structure and orchestration are considerably different but just as powerful. I don’t understand a lick of German, but it hardly makes a difference; the singers and choir make clear what I’m supposed to feel. Thank you @blondheim for turning me onto this!

Complete Score Cuesheet List courtesy of @badbu I merely organized it a little 1. Dreams Are Messages From The Deep - Hans Zimmer 2. Opening - Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar 3. Waking Up - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 4. Give Me The Water - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 5. Herald Of The Change - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 6. Leto's Speech - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 7. Duncan Arrival - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 8. Paul Tells Duncan His Dream - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 9. Castle Cemetery - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 10. House Harkonnen - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 11. House Harkonnen (Continued) - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 12. Bene Gisserit Arrive - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 13. Gom Jabbar - Hans Zimmer 14. Bene Gisserit Leave - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 15. Paul And Jessica - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 16. Leaving Caladan - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 17. Arrival On Arrakis - Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar 18. Bagpipe Army - Hans Zimmer, Omer Benyamin 19. Flight To Palace - Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar 20. Gift Of The Crysknife - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 21. Tooth Of Shai-Hulud - Theo Green, Czarina Russell 22. Sandwalk Video - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 23. Hunter-Seeker - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 24. Rev Mother And Baron's Deal - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 25. Duncan Arrives - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 26. Stilgar - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 27. Harvester Transport - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 28. Flight To Spice Field - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 29. Failed Harvester Lock - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 30. Worm Adjacent - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 31. Visions Of Chani - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 32. Sardaukar Chant - Hans Zimmer, Michael Geiger 33. Night On Arrakis - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 34. Betrayal - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 35. Harkonnen Attack - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 36. Burning Palms - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 37. The Voice - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 38. Burning City (Stranded) - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 39. Broken Tooth - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 40. Leto's Ring - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 41. Holy War Across The Universe - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 42. Duncan Finds Paul - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 43. A Place To Hide - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 44. A Play For The Throne - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 45. Sardaukar - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 46. Duncan't Sacrifice - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 47. Good Luck - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 48. Escape In Ornithopter - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 49. Chase Into Dust Storm - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 50. Dust Vision - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 51. Healing Baron - Clint Bennett 52. Kill Them - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 53. Flight Through Dust Storm - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 54. Stillsuits - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 55. Run - Shai-Hulud - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 56. Stilgar Bested - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 57. Jamis Unmasked - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 58. Jessica Challenged - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 59. Paul / Jamis Standoff - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 60. Do You Yield? - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 61. My Road Leads Into The Desert - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 62. EC Dream Tune - Hans Zimmer 63. EC Herbert - Hans Zimmer, Klaus Schulze 64. EC Wormboy - Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar According to this list, the composer workload divides up like so: Hans Zimmer 1. Dreams Are Messages From The Deep 13. Gom Jabbar 62. EC Dream Tune Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar 2. Opening 17. Arrival On Arrakis 19. Flight To Palace 64. EC Wormboy Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro 3. Waking Up 5. Herald Of The Change 6. Leto's Speech 9. Castle Cemetery 15. Paul And Jessica 25. Duncan Arrives 27. Harvester Transport 28. Flight To Spice Field 29. Failed Harvester Lock 40. Leto's Ring 41. Holy War Across The Universe 42. Duncan Finds Paul 48. Escape In Ornithopter 55. Run - Shai-Hulud 58. Jessica Challenged Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski 4. Give Me The Water 10. House Harkonnen 11. House Harkonnen (Continued) 23. Hunter-Seeker 24. Rev Mother And Baron's Deal 26. Stilgar 36. Burning Palms 37. The Voice 39. Broken Tooth 45. Sardaukar 46. Duncan't Sacrifice 49. Chase Into Dust Storm 52. Kill Them 53. Flight Through Dust Storm 56. Stilgar Bested Hans Zimmer, David Fleming 7. Duncan Arrival 8. Paul Tells Duncan His Dream 12. Bene Gisserit Arrive 14. Bene Gisserit Leave 16. Leaving Caladan 20. Gift Of The Crysknife 22. Sandwalk Video 30. Worm Adjacent 31. Visions Of Chani 33. Night On Arrakis 34. Betrayal 35. Harkonnen Attack 38. Burning City (Stranded) 43. A Place To Hide 44. A Play For The Throne 47. Good Luck 50. Dust Vision 54. Stillsuits 57. Jamis Unmasked 59. Paul / Jamis Standoff 60. Do You Yield? 61. My Road Leads Into The Desert Hans Zimmer, Omer Benyamin 18. Bagpipe Army Theo Green, Czarina Russell 21. Tooth Of Shai-Hulud Hans Zimmer, Michael Geiger 32. Sardaukar Chant Clint Bennett 51. Healing Baron Hans Zimmer, Klaus Schulze 63. EC Herbert This probably doesn't include the sketchbook, which I would be interested to see.

How do you guys now this is a theme and not simply some bit of underscore? Karol

Seems like they’re trying their best LOL! Yavar

gawddamn right. What an awesome show that was. Essentially Batman without the mask.

That's not true actually. The woman being name-dropped constantly is only an additional dialogue writer. There are several credited writers already, and the lead writer is someone else entirely. No idea why these clickbait extremists keep singling her out and making it out to seem that she's in charge of the whole project or something dumb like that, when in reality her job is extremely miniscule. Just one of those Mike Zeroh clickbait "theories" that will disappear in time as usual, created because small minded man children like to be angry at everything nowadays... and of course as we all know, outrage = views = YouTube revenue ($$$).

The final track on disc 1 that everyone is talking about does not end abruptly, so I'd very much doubt the omission of the segment in question was some manufacturing glitch, or a problem with the masters that was passed on to those streaming services. I am expecting the physical set to be the same. Personally I don't think this was a decision they made intentionally. Not for a set like this. The missing segment was likely meant to be appended to the first track on disc 2 to keep the first disc's running time below the 77 minute mark - and hence reduce the risk of manufacturing glitches. Perhaps this decision was not documented or communicated well, so the score segment was forgotten about, and its space on disc 2 was then given to yet another demo track. And with all due respect to Mr. Botnik (and I can fully understand that locating, extracting, mixing, mastering and producing this 25-years-old contnet cannot have been easy) this set does not contain "everything". There were number of demos for unused songs among the DVD special features (can be found on YouTube) that didn't make the cut here. Some of those were far more interesting than those iterations of the same demo they ended up including.

Alternate cover I made for this new Hunchback release. Decided to alter the usual template for these to best utilize this stunning artwork.The concept art for this entire production is so gorgeous btw. Too bad about the odd glaring flaw with missing music bits. But I’ve really dug hearing Menken’s whole score. And the demos are fascinating to hear. While sometimes they seemed to hit the nail on the head with the songs other times they really had to sand off the edges. (Its so jarring and funny to hear that alternate, more jazzy chorus in “Hellfire”)

I have to admit that it was amazing to see in a good IMAX cinema, although the partner's father had to leave as it was making him seasick, which is kinda understandable given the style of shooting. I enjoyed the gimmick of the single shot but tended to vacillate between not noticing to actively looking for the joins. However, as someone who enjoys all the technical stuff, I didn't mind that at all and it didn't spoil the experience. Newman's score was terrific in context and most enjoyable on disc, but it's a score with definite highlights but a few parts that drag.

Ok. It took some time but here are the recording dates of the Johnny Ever Green`s album Artist: Russel Garcia and His Orchestra Album: The Johnny Ever Green`s Played By Russel Garcia Featuring John Williams (piano & celeste); ABC Paramount Records (ABC-147); Recorded at Radio Recorders, Hollywood, 17 & 31 August and 6 September, 1956; Released 22 December 1956; Reissued in 1986 & 2011

The OSTs are very good representations of the full scores, with proper starts, middle parts and endings, that also touch on almost all of the pertinent material.

After he dies, maybe his estate will demand that all of his micro edits are preserved in all future re-releases of his scores.