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What i mean is exactly that: MUSIC with a capital M, that's written and conceived as real music, not just a wallpapery thing that wafts away in the background at the mercy of a hundred sound effects. I'm aware of all what you're talking about, but it sounds too apologetic to me, like an industry professional trying to sell me something that is of no particular use for a music fan.
 
 
Sounds like back in the 90's and early 2000's, when Ford Thaxton found an excuse for nearly everything with a non-sequitur like 'this will bring in the big monies, just accept it'. But why should i?
 
 
Again, i don't really see what you are advocating here: that you are a big fan of sound gadgets and expensive gear? My argument is and always have been that i listen to something released separately from the movie, so i'm rating its musical qualities. That's all there is to it.
 
I can talk about all this stuff, and it is known and debated for years, but do i gain better music from it?

Even The Rise of Skywalker itself wasn't that great, so lowered expectations all around.

Even The Rise of Skywalker itself wasn't that great, so lowered expectations all around.

With one of Powell's most charming main titles.

With one of Powell's most charming main titles.

It's noncommittal, bland pop - no match for Matchstick Man - but it had a marimba cue i liked (had the boot once).

Oh yes, they are wonderful. And you're right, probably better than the swashbuckling stuff. JNH excels at the kind of wondrous/mystical stuff. I This material feels like a more polished version of stuff he did in Waterworld.
 
Was listening to Morricone's The Cat 'o Nine Tails again today. It's so delightfully bizarre:
 
 
Karol 

Or in video games, where Austin Wintory has pretty consistently done much more sophisticated work than film composers usually do (read: are allowed to do). I. e. Pathless, Journey, Abzu. 
 
Hollywood also doesn't consider composers artists these days (lip service excluded). They are, as James Horner ruefully observed when he was still alive, just another technical category.

Star Treks! Give me those Star Treks! Nothing but Star Treks - Don't let them end.

IMHO that's not enough when you put it in a The Definitive John Williams Plagiarism/Homage Thread.

It's an accumulation of Dont's.

It doesn't, but leagues better than the pinched Varése, which has an impossible stereo field with hardly a separation between the instrumental groups.

This affects part 2 in a much more harmful way. Who's to blame him, saw parts of the movie and it was horrible. And to be honest, the same problems befell Williams on his recent SW scores. 

Had this saved this for a re-listen to decide if it was worth to investigate the Varése deluxe. Meh. Don't know if it's a generational gap thing but i remain dubious about its appeal. Except for a handful of quieter cues and the occasional highlight ('Flying with Mother') it ends up sounding like a big frenetic blob of sound to me. Maybe it has to do with the striping technique used for recording it. After experiencing the same problems with part III, i will return mainly to part I whenever i feel the dragon itch.

Had this saved this for a re-listen to decide if it was worth to investigate the Varése deluxe. Meh. Don't know if it's a generational gap thing but i remain dubious about its appeal. Except for a handful of quieter cues and the occasional highlight ('Flying with Mother') it ends up sounding like a big frenetic blob of sound to me. Maybe it has to do with the striping technique used for recording it. After experiencing the same problems with part III, i will return mainly to part I whenever i feel the dragon itch.

Had this saved this for a re-listen to decide if it was worth to investigate the Varése deluxe. Meh. Don't know if it's a generational gap thing but i remain dubious about its appeal. Except for a handful of quieter cues and the occasional highlight ('Flying with Mother') it ends up sounding like a big frenetic blob of sound to me. Maybe it has to do with the striping technique used for recording it. After experiencing the same problems with part III, i will return mainly to part I whenever i feel the dragon itch.

It's a completely different piece, apart from a superficial similarity of the opening phrase.

Good, old-fashioned melos á la Delerue by Philippe Rombi, orchestra with string/piano waltzes and full of woodwind flourishes rarely head in today's film music. 

It's a completely different piece, apart from a superficial similarity of the opening phrase.

This affects part 2 in a much more harmful way. Who's to blame him, saw parts of the movie and it was horrible. And to be honest, the same problems befell Williams on his recent SW scores. 

I decided to go with The Four Feathers and Hidalgo this morning. Both scores combined the eastern and western music exceptionally well around the time these times of things were terribly abused by others. The latter might be one of my very favourite James Newton Howard scores, believe it or not. It has a beautiful sense clarity and coherence all the way through. Horner, on the other hard, really goes for it which can be grating at times. But fascinating to listen to as well. Both scores are true forgotten gems of the early 00s.
 
Karol

Don't be too sure about that, half of America still seriously considers voting for Donald Trump and he's living proof that the old guard is very much alive.
 
The Smith/Rock affair is cringy and awkward for all involved, sure, but let's be serious for a moment: there's a war going on close to Central Europe, we don't need inane crap like this being blown out of proportion right now.

Don't be too sure about that, half of America still seriously considers voting for Donald Trump and he's living proof that the old guard is very much alive.
 
The Smith/Rock affair is cringy and awkward for all involved, sure, but let's be serious for a moment: there's a war going on close to Central Europe, we don't need inane crap like this being blown out of proportion right now.

Don't be too sure about that, half of America still seriously considers voting for Donald Trump and he's living proof that the old guard is very much alive.
 
The Smith/Rock affair is cringy and awkward for all involved, sure, but let's be serious for a moment: there's a war going on close to Central Europe, we don't need inane crap like this being blown out of proportion right now.

Don't be too sure about that, half of America still seriously considers voting for Donald Trump and he's living proof that the old guard is very much alive.
 
The Smith/Rock affair is cringy and awkward for all involved, sure, but let's be serious for a moment: there's a war going on close to Central Europe, we don't need inane crap like this being blown out of proportion right now.