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    Jerry Goldsmith vs. James Horner

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Actually, I'm not small, petty, or elitist, I just have very unreadable sarcasm, apparently, which seems doomed to always bait new members, unfamiliar with the usual discourse, into self-righteous defense/lashing out mode.

    Well to be fair, my self-righteous defense was in response to your self-righteous sarcasm. :pfft:

    At any rate, fair enough! The duel is over! :P

    Jerry Goldsmith vs. James Horner

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Also you said "bro" which combined with your (incorrect) use of "capiche" makes me want to terminate our interactions.

    Fair enough, if you are that small, petty, and elitist, on a message board no less, then you are doing me a favor.

    Psst, HornerIsTheMan, just say you love O'Donnell, Soule and Wintory, and you'll be fine.

    I do believe this poster was trying to imply that I'm a flake who spends him time listening to generic video game composers (I don't listen to any of the three). However, if I somehow misinterpreted this post, I apologize.

    I believe that you actually did misinterpret it by missing the relevance to some other current forum discussion, and in naming them generic video game composers that only a "flake" would listen to have managed to further insult several of us here.

    Ah ha! But I said that's what he seemed to be trying to imply, not what I actually think. In fact, I am familiar with little music by the first two, and none by the third.

    Jerry Goldsmith vs. James Horner

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Psst, HornerIsTheMan, just say you love O'Donnell, Soule and Wintory, and you'll be fine.

    I do believe this poster was trying to imply that I'm a flake who spends his time listening to generic video game composers (and thinks they're "totally rad, dude!"). However, if I somehow misinterpreted this post, I apologize.

    Jerry Goldsmith vs. James Horner

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Capiche?

    Actually, it's capisci.

    Lol, is that all you're going to say?

    Why would I say anything else? And I certainly don't feel compelled to after you called BB an idiot. Rather crass.

    Well actually, as opposed to what you were saying before, I'll take your silence as an improvement.

    And I suppose you don't find anything wrong with the ignorant insult that BB directed towards me previously, eh? Figures.

    Jerry Goldsmith vs. James Horner

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Ah yes, some very predictable chastising ensues once somebody goes against the grain. :/

    Indeed. I'll never understand why people say they'll never understand what other people feel or think.

    I'll never understand the love for Goldsmith. He's an excellent composer no doubt, but I rarely have the desire to listen to his music.

    It's easy to understand, and you have all the elements in place right here to do so. Some people do have the desire to listen to the music of an excellent composer. Simple.

    For listening outside the film, he would be far below Horner and Williams, and also other composers like JNH, Poledouris, Zimmer, Silvestri, Barry, Arnold, etc.

    Why? Just because you feel that way?

    Just my opinion. Maybe the last sentence didn't make that clear enough. Yes, Goldsmith is an excellent composer, but so are the other composers I listed. And IMO, their music tends to be more interesting outside of the film.

    Rudy is the only one I listen to with any regularity.

    What a tragic admission...

    Not tragic at all.

    I've known vegans who can hardly stand the sight of meat, much less fathom the desire to actually eat it. I, in return, cannot fathom their palette. I guess it wouldn't do to call them crazy outright; it's just a matter of personal tastes and an approach to eating.

    I can likewise see where someone on a steady diet of Horner can't really wrap their minds around other styles of music, and to such ears Goldsmith might indeed often sound harsh and eclectic (save the scores where he sounds the most like Horner, such as Rudy). I'll never understand it myself, but to each his own.

    I do have a steady diet of Horner, that's true. But the point you're trying to make is a cop out. Goldsmith doesn't leave me cold because I listen to lots of Horner. I already made the point that I listen to most other film composers before Goldsmith. This includes a wide variety of styles. I also listen to a lot of non-film music, a lot of classical music.

    I can likewise see where someone on a steady diet of Horner can't really wrap their minds around other styles of music, and to such ears Goldsmith might indeed often sound harsh and eclectic (save the scores where he sounds the most like Horner, such as Rudy). I'll never understand it myself, but to each his own.

    I even have heard of the strange notion that there might be vast riches of music beyond the valley of commercial Hollywood movies. It might only be a rumour, though...

    Predictable snarky elitism. I listen to a lot of classical and other genres. All types of classical, too - Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Contemporary, etc.

    I wish to hear five composers from each of those periods that you are a fan of, and two works from each that most tickle your fancy.

    Classical and Romantic are too easy, but I'll give you the first and the last. Capiche?

    Monteverdi - Great early operas - Orfeo and Coronation of Poppea. Some beautiful choral work as well.

    Purcell - Good stuff, Dido and Aeneas, Abdelazer which is used in Britten's Young Person's Guide to Orchestra

    Vivaldi - Hundreds of beautiful concertos. Four Seasons yes, love the oboe concertos, I'll give you Oboe Concerto in D Minor RV454

    Handel - Lots of beautiful oratorios and operas. Messiah, My favorite aria is Lascia ch'io pianga - have you seen Farinelli?

    Bach - Too many to list, bro. But I play through WTC I and II, and the inventions, and the French and English suites. Wachet auf for a great cantata. Art of the Fugue, the Passions are incredible. And don't forget Mass in B Minor. Air on a G String and Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring for popular pieces. Pretty much everything the man wrote is gold.

    Saariaho - is incredible. Check out Petals for cello and electronics, and L'Aile du songe for a beautiful flute concerto.

    Adams - solid stuff. Short Ride in a Fast Machine is a popular one, I like Harmonielehre and Harmonium. Very digestible.

    Ligeti - Love micropolyphony. Atmospheres and Lontano for this guy.

    Penderecki - Again, I'm a sound mass/textural guy. All his music in The Shining is awesome. That includes Threnody, Polymorphia, De Natura Sonoris, etc.

    Debussy - One of my favorite composers. Least contemporary composer here but set the stage for most that came after him. Some consider Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun to be the first modern piece. Nocturnes for orchestra is beautiful. I enjoy his keyboard works the best - Suite Bergamasque, Preludes I and II, Reverie, etc. La mer and Jeux have fantastic orchestrations. Just checking out his opera Pelleas et Melisande lately, stunning work, sets the stage for Bartok's Bluebeard's Castle 10 years later.

    Jerry Goldsmith vs. James Horner

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Ah yes, some very predictable chastising ensues once somebody goes against the grain. :/

    Indeed. I'll never understand why people say they'll never understand what other people feel or think.

    I'll never understand the love for Goldsmith. He's an excellent composer no doubt, but I rarely have the desire to listen to his music.

    It's easy to understand, and you have all the elements in place right here to do so. Some people do have the desire to listen to the music of an excellent composer. Simple.

    For listening outside the film, he would be far below Horner and Williams, and also other composers like JNH, Poledouris, Zimmer, Silvestri, Barry, Arnold, etc.

    Why? Just because you feel that way?

    Just my opinion. Maybe the last sentence didn't make that clear enough. Yes, Goldsmith is an excellent composer, but so are the other composers I listed. And IMO, their music tends to be more interesting outside of the film.

    Rudy is the only one I listen to with any regularity.

    What a tragic admission...

    Not tragic at all.

    I've known vegans who can hardly stand the sight of meat, much less fathom the desire to actually eat it. I, in return, cannot fathom their palette. I guess it wouldn't do to call them crazy outright; it's just a matter of personal tastes and an approach to eating.

    I can likewise see where someone on a steady diet of Horner can't really wrap their minds around other styles of music, and to such ears Goldsmith might indeed often sound harsh and eclectic (save the scores where he sounds the most like Horner, such as Rudy). I'll never understand it myself, but to each his own.

    I do have a steady diet of Horner, that's true. But the point you're trying to make is a cop out. Goldsmith doesn't leave me cold because I listen to lots of Horner. I already made the point that I listen to most other film composers before Goldsmith. This includes a wide variety of styles. I also listen to a lot of non-film music, a lot of classical music.

    I can likewise see where someone on a steady diet of Horner can't really wrap their minds around other styles of music, and to such ears Goldsmith might indeed often sound harsh and eclectic (save the scores where he sounds the most like Horner, such as Rudy). I'll never understand it myself, but to each his own.

    I even have heard of the strange notion that there might be vast riches of music beyond the valley of commercial Hollywood movies. It might only be a rumour, though...

    Predictable snarky elitism. I listen to a lot of classical and other genres. All types of classical, too - Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Contemporary, etc.

    Jerry Goldsmith vs. James Horner

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    I'll never understand the love for Goldsmith. He's an excellent composer no doubt, but I rarely have the desire to listen to his music. Rudy is the only one I listen to with any regularity. For listening outside the film, he would be far below Horner and Williams, and also other composers like JNH, Poledouris, Zimmer, Silvestri, Barry, Arnold, etc.

    Jerry Goldsmith vs. James Horner

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    James Horner, no question. But then again, my response might be slightly predictable. :P

    How many JH soundtracks do you have?

    Without counting the exact number, I have about 50 physical CDs. Once I went digital, I collected nearly everything the man ever composed. My master Horner folder has 226 subfolders, although this includes multiple versions of many scores - rerecordings, bootlegs, recording sessions, etc.

    James Horner 1953-2015

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    It seems like he was just riding out the inevitable, trying to keep it level as he lost altitude. I guess pilots don't prepare for events such as these with parachutes, etc?

    Actually, it sounds more to me like something catastrophic happened just a minute (or even only a few seconds) before the crash. He was steady at about 500 agl at each sighting, including a few moments before impact. The engine sounded normal. There were no erratic actions. I doubt there was much warning before everything went wrong.

    I don't know a thing about flying, but isn't 500 agl extremely low?

    James Horner's Top 10 Pieces

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    To choose just 10 is downright cruel, can we at least do 20? At any rate, here are my choices:

    "For the Love of a Princess" - Braveheart
    "The Ludlows" - Legends of the Fall
    "Rose" - Titanic
    "Rescue & Discovery of the Great Valley" - The Land Before Time
    "Coming Home from the Sea" - The Perfect Storm

    "Samuel's Death" - Legends of the Fall

    “Freedom” / The Execution / Bannockburn" - Braveheart
    "Heritage of the Wolf" - Balto
    "Whispering Winds" - The Land Before Time
    "The Sinking" - Titanic

    James Horner's Top 10 Scores

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    1.) Titanic

    2.) Braveheart

    3.) Legends of the Fall

    4.) The Land Before Time

    5.) Balto

    6.) The Mask of Zorro

    7.) The Perfect Storm

    8.) The Rocketeer

    9.) Glory

    10.) The Pagemaster

    Very difficult, I left out a lot of great scores. The first four are pretty interchangeable, but Titanic was the first film score I fell in love with, so it has a special place in my heart.

    James Horner 1953-2015

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Have to check out the BAFTA interview.

    Does anyone remember the reason why he didn't do Passion?

    Apparently for religious reasons (as FSM once reported).

    Well he was born into a Jewish family, but I've never found any more information on his religious beliefs. I suppose it would make sense if he would decline the film due to his Jewish heritage.

    JWFan James Horner Listening Party

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Titanic

    I have read people say that the action sections are the least appealing portion of this score, but, honestly, I think the action writing here is absolutely bad ass. "Hard to Starboard" is as aggressive and terrifying as anything Horner ever wrote, and "Death of Titanic" is a masterpiece that rivals the technical mastery and complexity of John Williams.

    I also think that the last minute of "Death of Titanic" is one of the most convincing expressions of the horror of facing death I have heard in a film score. Goddam, them synths.

    Agreed 100%. Some of my favorite action music of all-time! It doesn't get any better than this IMO.

    JWFan James Horner Listening Party

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    This is a wonderful thread, thanks everyone for sharing.

    Here is a cue that is not mentioned very often, but in my opinion is one of the finest that James ever wrote. A heart-pounding and extremely emotional cue to the most heartbreaking scene in the film. The music captures the emotions of the scene perfectly. Sublime.

    Brilliant cue. Horner was a master of gut-wrenching tragedy and he wasn't afraid to go over the top to convey it.

    You got that right. This is the next cue that comes to mind for gut-wrenching tragedy, although it doesn't quite have the raw, primal energy of the previous one.

    James Horner 1953-2015

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    This scene in A Beautiful Mind...my god...it makes you realize what a brilliant musical dramatist we lost.

    1:08-1:58 is just so well done. It hits every beat of the scene without being overbearing, it gives you the sensation of having the brain lightbulb with John Nash. It doesn't compete with his voice range while still being clearly audible. It even follows the pace of the dialogue. Brilliant!

    Outstanding example. Horner nailed it. But it's also so subtle that it's easy to miss if you're not paying close attention.

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