Josh500

Do you know Cole Porter? He's written hundreds of songs. And half of them sound similar to each other. I think calling this an arrangement or a reworking is going a bit too far. They're just similar. At least that's what I think.

I don't see any connection at all between these 2 songs... Except for the fact that they were written by the same composer and are of a similar style.

Reworking? No.

Yeah, same here. I used to feel that way about the different beginning of "The Lost World" (Main Title), too, but not anymore. After listening to it many, many times, I don't hear the difference in sound quality or whatever it is anymore. Maybe my ears have just gotten used to it, I don't know.

Honestly, I don't hear it. Change in sound quality? Are you talking about the point at 2:14 when the long drawn-out brass note starts, before it opens up at around 2:17? It seems to me that this is the way it's intended to sound.... Unless you mean a different moment?

You know, I initially felt that way too. I also felt that way when LLL released the expanded A.I. But that was just at the beginning. I think that sometimes happens because we're so darn used to the old versions, a slightly different version (even if improved) may sound a bit jarring and odd to our ears...

I think condensing a 2 hour score into a 74-minute album is sort of an art. Some people just complain about the fact that the music is not complete... But that's really not the point. The fact that the composer, the creator of the music himself, put in the effort to assemble the album makes me value it more (it'd be a whole different story, if Shawn Murphy, Ken Wannberg, or even Spielberg himself was doing it!). This shows me what he himself deemed important or not, what he wanted to "show off" to his audience, how he would have told the story in a musical way, freed from the constraints of the movie format... So I would never haughtily look down on the decisions made by the creator himself, even if I may not always wholeheartedly agree with them.

The full version is better, no question. I think we all agree on this. But my point is, the shortened version is still very listenable, it hasn't been ruined by its omission. In fact, when I first listened to this track on the soundtrack album I didn't even realise anything was missing....

You never listened to it! What do you know? If one didn't know from watching the movie, one wouldn't even notice anything was missing.... From a strictly musical standpoint, it even makes a certain sense.

Very rarely, but I still do. After all, this is the version I grew up with, the version I've known for over 20 years. Let's just say, I haven't completely written it off. But needless to say, I very much prefer the expanded (full) version. Kinda like with "Summon the Heroes," come to think of it. One of John Williams's most accomplished and breathtaking action cues of his career... The one where the percussionists almost threw in the towel (according to legend).

Well, just getting the brand-new TLW soundtrack is nice too! And don't get your hopes too high regarding new information in the booklet, even if you should get it... I'm sure we all already know what there is to know.

If you really want the booklet, you need to go on the auction sites like ebay and try to get the actual Japanese releases from back then... If necessary contacting the seller and asking them about the additional booklet. Otherwise chances are pretty slim, I'd say. Already explained that...

I'm quite familiar with Japanese CD release practices, having been in Japan many times. It's got nothing to do with the packaging. It's just that they used to include these additional Japanese-only booklets for major blockbuster releases, for their first few print runs.... They've gotten pretty rare, but they still sometimes do that, for example for Star Wars and the like. But they won't keep doing that for movies that are 25 years old!

Seriously? Well, that's what I suspected. If one really wants that old booklet, one has to go on these auction sites and actually buy the old release from 1997 or thereabouts.... It'd definitely be not an easy undertaking. Like hunting down the First Edition of a classic novel or something.

Like I said, I doubt there's much more than that. If there was something else noteworthy, I'm pretty certain I'd remember it! It was just a little booklet that was added to the Japanese edition, probably because it was felt there that the original version was a bit too meager and lacking.... But there's another issue. I'm not even sure this little booklet is still included today. That's what they did in 1997, back when it was just released. But I don't wanna be negative, I guess anything is possible!

Nah, I definitely don't have it anymore. I actually had to rebuy most of my earliest JW CDs because they were so badly scratched (I didn't know how to take care of my stuff back then!).... And TLW was one of them. The replacement was most definitely not the Japanese version. That's for sure!

Pretty sure the most interesting info in that booklet is the one I already mentioned... Otherwise I'd still remember it myself.

I stated this a couple of times here over the years, and I still remember where I first got this information, too! Back in 1997, when the OST album of TLW was released, I got the Japanese version. While everything else was the same as the regular Western version (cardboard case, 3D Dinorama, etc.), the Japanese edition had one big difference: it included a special little booklet with tons of info, although, naturally, it was all in Japanese. It contained no pics at all, it was just a little booklet with text, maybe around 10 pages. I managed to get it translated back then, and while most ot it was general information about JW, his life and career, as well as a short overview of the Making of TLW, it also talked a little about the recording sessions. And that's where I got this info... How the percussionists that were called in struggled with some of the more complex passages and how JW had them perform it over and over again until they were all but getting ready to throw in the towel! I don't think it referred to any particular passage, though, I just assumed for myself that it's gotta be "Sarah's Rescue." I forgot what else was said, but that's one piece of info that's somehow always stuck in my memory. I wish I still had that booklet, but I lost it many years ago, of course. Hell, that was almost a quarter of a century ago, I was in my early teens! Edit: What do you know, these days if you look hard enough, you can find almost anything on the Internet. From a Japanese online auction site, pics of the Japanese TLW booklet...

I know. I remember I actually saw that live (this was back when I still cared about the Oscars). I thought the performance was... interesting. 😂

Besides the ones you mentioned, "The Conspirators." Such an atmospheric, ingenious, and masterful piece. Makes my heart go faster every time I listen to it... https://youtu.be/8H2hOn8ugo0

I'm not worried about John Williams, but when this movie opens, Ford will be 80 years old... Wow. I wonder what kind of a globe-trotting adventure he'll be sent off to. 😂 Also wonder whether Shia will be involved again.

Okay. Well, I can't say I'm very excited about this project, but the only consolation is, Indy V can't possibly be worse than Indy IV... That's just not feasible.

This doesn't mention Spielberg at all. He may not be involved anymore...

Oh my God, this is great news!!! CAN'T WAIT!!! And today Spielberg announced he'll start shooting Indy V in July 2021. Let's hope JW is on board again!!!

I came here specifically today, because it's April 1... 😂