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Josh500 got a reaction from GerateWohl in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Indeed. Exactly my point, that's what I'm saying. Heck, if it was not limited, even I would have hesitated and maybe even put off getting some John Williams releases like The Disaster Boxset and The Time Tunnel.
Turns out the fear of missing out is a big motivator when it comes to spending your hard earned cash. No big surprise there.
It's more like...
2044: X becomes a big fan of the old Harry Potter scores and wants to get ahold of them. The complete boxset published over 20 years ago is long OOP, of course. So he tries to get it somehow on the secondhand market (while hoping secretly it'll be rereleased one of these days, if enough fans clamour for it). X gets lucky. He succeeds to get it at an only slightly inflated price of $200 (unlike some bitter people claim, not the whole world is made up of greedy assholes out to get you), but that's okay. He's been prepared to spend $350 for it. He's over the moon that he managed to acquire the beloved scores....
2004: Y is a fan of the Harry Potter scores and desperately wants to get them complete. It's downright impossible. There's simply no freaking way. Such a set just isn't available, it simply doesn't exist in this world. He's crushed, but his dream never quite goes away. Then, 20 years later--Y is in his forties now--he wakes up one morning and reads an announcement--his lifelong dream is finally realised... It took 20 years, but with a tear of furious joy in his eye, he places an order at the first possible opportunity and buys the boxset at a more than reasonable price of $100 plus shipping.
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Josh500 reacted to GerateWohl in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
You got my point completely wrong. I did not say, future fan generations shouldn't have it easier than I had. I said, they will have it already easier, so no reason to feel sorry for them. I wasn't referring to comments that said We got it so hard, let's make it easier for future generations." I was referring to comments which said "We got it so easy, but for future generations it is going to be so hard to be a JWFan." Just saying that's not the case.
Just compare:
Becoming a fan in 2030. The Eiger Sanction Expansion is only available second hand on ebay for 300§. Becoming a fan in 1980: You have to wait 41 years until the The Eiger Sanction expansion will be available for 30$. Chose what you find easier.
And I am NOT saying that every fan should have to wait 41 years for it because I did. I just say, they are lucky because they don't have to.
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Josh500 reacted to GerateWohl in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Of course it's not optimal.
But I think, just ask the lable to make everything available unlimited is practically not an option.
I guess, the OSTs officially never were limited. And even there today you are searching to get the OSTs of the old movies. If the big record companies don't get it managed to print the OSTs forever for all the fans to come, how should the speciallity labels be able to compensate that?
By the way, I could imagine because of the limitation the expansions sell even better than they would do, if they were unlimited. Someone said it before. Some might think, they are not too interested and so if they become interested one day, they could buy it at any time. so they don't buy it. But if it is limited, they think, if I get interested when it is already sold out I am doomed, so I buy it now.
This might not apply to Harry Potter or Jurassic Park. But in general, I could imagine, that this is the case.
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Josh500 got a reaction from Andy in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Indeed! Well said.
Not at all. We all crave and appreciate something that we can't have, or are in danger of losing, more. I guess that's just human nature. And I guess that's where the psychology of "limited edition" ties in too...
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Josh500 reacted to Andy in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
For myself, getting expansions over the decades has been a delight, and part of the fun of being a soundtrack fan. The delayed gratification made me appreciate both album arrangements and the newly released material when it came out. I wouldn't change that for the world, because when there's a cue you want, but don't have, it shapes your estimation of all of it, for better or worse. A new fan who gets everything all in one shot is denied the thrill of the yearning and the satisfaction of the new release. I'd imagine someone whose first exposure to these scores is the complete score will regard little incidental cues very differently than those of us who hungered for them for decades.
A weird psychology, I know, but I enjoyed growing up in the OST era, and now living through the expansion era.
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Josh500 reacted to GerateWohl in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Why is everybody so worried about those poor future JWFans? They will enter this fandom with fully digitilized complete soundtracks in brillant sound quality.
I started in the early 80s with LPs, I bought the TESB score five times. Six, if I count in the Gerhardt recording. There was not much available. You had to go through a lot of record stores to find what you were looking for.
Why should I feel pitty for those upcoming fans because don't have all those brillant physical releases available at once in unrestricted amount?
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Josh500 reacted to Richard Penna in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
I like the idea of the hybrid model, as it at least makes the music available in the long run, which is the central problem - a limited run making the actual music unavailable to buy.
I rather like the idea of score releases as a 'memento' of a film, but for me it doesn't extend to desiring a physical release, and a lot of smaller releases actually have pretty horrendous cover art, if they've been printed/burned using home facilities (instead of pressed). For me that adds to the charm.
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Josh500 got a reaction from Mattris in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
I feel like the most popular scores (Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Jurassic Park) will most certainly be re-released in the future, one way or another. Maybe in a slightly different, improved form, kind of like how Jaws and E.T. keep getting released over and over again, even to this day... In that sense, they're not really limited.
But I'm not so sure about the less popular scores like Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Always. I think the interest in those scores will be so little, they won't bother with those anymore. Those fans who wish to own these scores complete, say, 20 years from now will likely be looking to download them online or somehow get them secondhand...
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Josh500 reacted to Chewy in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
@Josh500 You're not alone anymore!
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Josh500 reacted to GerateWohl in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Sorry, I personally like that they are limited. And I would vote as well for unlimited digital releases in addition. Like amazon does it.
Even though I wish, I would have got hold of the one or the other limited release that I missed, I am not sure if this business modelliert of these speciality labels would really work with unlimited releases.
I don't think, that they intend to punish people who order too late instead of selling their products to them. They must calculate how much they sell in which time to make profit. And probably that is the only way how it works.
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Josh500 reacted to KittBash in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
This question was a lot tougher for me.
On the one hand, of course I want every fan who wants to get the scores they want to have the ability to go and get those scores and enjoy them to the fullest like so many of us have been fortunate enough to do. This keeps the music alive, preserved and keeps these labels who have dedicated their working lives to these things in business and doing the work that we have enjoyed the fruits of so far.
On the other hand, I started collecting this stuff when I was 14 (now about to turn 39) that is a lot of time saving and scrounging and collecting. Of course I still want people to have access but I can't lie there's a certain feeling I get when I look at the cd shelves in my office and think... You know I'm probably one of only 5000 to 10000 people on the planet with this kind of collection. Picking up these beautiful packages of music and knowing I can't just go to Walmart or Amazon to get them... there's something to that... I know that the days of the CD are numbered and these physical releases are probably only going to last so long but for now I'm enjoying the heck out of the music and the game of collecting.
After all is said and done, I think the idea of limited physical releases and unlimited digital releases that has been mentioned here is a good idea (assuming the business side of things would ever work out!) It allows both camps to co-exist and in the end it's about getting the people who love this music a chance to hear it and feel like part of this family. So if I have to lose part of that pride when something in the Varese club comes out digital that I've treasured as physical for so long that others get to share in it... so be it and we're better for it.
[Edit: and I just noticed it only took me almost 20 years to hit 500 posts.... that's pathetic lol ]
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Josh500 reacted to Thor in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Poll is missing an option:
"Makes no difference to me. Have no interest in them in the first place".
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Josh500 reacted to GerateWohl in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Logically, digital release is the ONLY possible way to release music in an unlimited way. EVERY physical release is limited naturally.
And if I just have the choice between a limited physical release and an unlimited digital I would always prefer the limited physical.
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Josh500 reacted to Chewy in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
@Josh500 Give up, vote "No" with all of us so we can have a perfect 100% - 0%!
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Josh500 got a reaction from crumbs in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Not at all. I am a fan myself. I try to get everything I can get. So should every other fan.
In a way, that's what's binds us together as a group, like we can witness with every new release of a much-coveted limited edition...
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Josh500 reacted to Smaug The Iron in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
Welcome to 2021 where you can buy soundtrack digital. You don't have to press new copies every few years if we can buy this digital instead.
Yes I understand, I can't listen to the scores I like because I didn't have the money at the time to buy it.
And the future generation can not listen to the scores they like because they didn't know or was to young at the time.
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Josh500 got a reaction from Mattris in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
You do realise these editions are limited? Are you calling the LLL representatives or those who approve of their work assholes? We're all adults to discuss a topic here, no need for any name calling.
That said, I explained the general appeal of limited editions, not just of soundtrack albums but of any product, but especially of music, books, movies, watches, jewelry, cars, etc. (a sense of exclusivity). Also, like I said, if LLL sells 5000 copies of the HP boxset when it's limited, it's not like they'd be selling 50,000 if it wasn't limited. In fact, it's even possible that when it's not limited, fewer people will buy it, because everybody thinks they can buy it anytime and its value just isn't as high. Some people buy it right away because it's a limited special edition, and it's... well, special!
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Josh500 reacted to Chewy in Do you prefer for LLL's Jurassic Park and Harry Potter Soundtrack Collections to be limited or not?
This is why having those releases available digitally, also with a digital booklet, might be a great solution!
Limited physical releases but unlimited digital ones would be a great compromise.
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Josh500 got a reaction from Cerebral Cortex in THE TIME TUNNEL (1966-1967) - Two 3-CD sets from La-La Land Records (Volume 2 coming August 17th)
Hmmm, I'm literally hearing about this TV show for the first time! Weird. Not sure yet whether I'm going to buy this, but I'm intrigued!
Do I hear a faint hint of "Forward to Time Past" here?
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Josh500 got a reaction from Smeltington in THE EIGER SANCTION (1975) - 2021 2-CD Expanded Edition from Intrada Records
Well, that does look terminal, all right!
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Josh500 got a reaction from Joni Wiljami in Which are the last 2 John Williams scores that you personally consider to be "masterpieces"?
Same.
I hate to admit it, but I haven't even seen the movie yet. Maybe my opinion of the score will change once I do.
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Josh500 got a reaction from Fabulin in THE EIGER SANCTION (1975) - 2021 2-CD Expanded Edition from Intrada Records
Well, that does look terminal, all right!
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Josh500 got a reaction from Yavar Moradi in THE EIGER SANCTION (1975) - 2021 2-CD Expanded Edition from Intrada Records
Well, that does look terminal, all right!