charlesk
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Simply playing devil's advocate (I think I've made my feelings towards Zimmer and his music clear in this thread), but isn't Mars the Roman god of war?
Neil
Yeah, but Holst's Mars, the bringer of war, is just Holst's vision of the Roman god, not the absolute vision, Holsts music has nothing to do with gladiators or music from the Roman Empire period. Hans Zimmer could have taken this great opportunity to research and come up with an epic vision of the great Rome; the barbarism, the decadence, the power and corruption... He was too lazy for this, though.
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Yeah, there are some testosterone guys that pretty much look like Hulk. A little optical effect can make it look bigger. Why CGI a person? That's what I don't understand. Just because the computer gurus 'think' they look 'real'? How could they, if they haven't seen another real person in years...
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The NBC News theme is so marvelously optimistic that sometimes it may not go well with the 'actual' news
. Especially at the final part where the brass accompanies in ultra fast notes, while strings play the melody, accentuated by military drum and cymbal rolls. It has reached me emotionally and always puts a big smile in my face, and makes me want to fly.As for the haters of You are the Pan and other direct/emotive Williams cues... I think the issue here is a rejection of direct emotivity, or emotional manipulative music, dread of being taken into an emotional journey, fear of feeling. It's not about Williams music, is about the style. I have foud myself in very pragmatic and cold periods of my life, when I despised everything emotional like Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony, and other periods when I just couldn't stop crying to this music. But when I'm in the 'middle', I just enjoy it very much.
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Where was Holst's credit on Gladiator ?
I heard a part of Gladiator the other day on Radio@AOL that I hadn't heard before, and I was astounded at the Holst rip. It was practically note for note. My dad was also shocked, and we found it laughable that it was so blatant. I still can't really believe it.
Ray Barnsbury-who thinks Gladiator is mostly irritating noise, from what he's heard
At last, someone who heard the almost note by note rip of Holst. I've been discussing this for ages. It wouldn't bother me if there was at least a little attempt to add something original to it. But Zimmer changed notes just enough so they would not have to pay royalties to Holst's music. That's just plain lazy and irrespectful. And he orchestrated it bombastic and noisy, making it a cheap rendition of Holst's masterpiece. That's why I'm so hard with him, he is in negative in my scale.
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Ocelot, please come back.
Nice double meaning there...
Justin
So good you don't go to public schools, Justin, that would pervert your innocent mind
As for Wael, I approve that he focus a bit more on his career. I still have to complete and update his website at www.waelbinali.com, and submit it to film music directories and agents. I want to see an action movie with Wael's music
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Scissohands!!!
How DARE you say that about You are the Pan!!! I will handle this personally when I see you in chat!!BTW, listen to it forgetting about the movie. There is nothing wrong with a little pure tonalism!!!
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Zimmer always shares credit with his fellow composers.
Stefancos-
With his fellow composers??? Zimmer is a composer???
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I remember that when there was nothing else to do, I sometimes saw the Hulk TV series, and the music was quite melancolic, because this superhero's "gift" is uncontrollable, and he is forced to be alone and in the move all the time. Also the actor had this very sad expresion. I realise that somehow, that was the real interesting thing about this superhero. Superstrong superheroes, almost everyone is... but ones with uncontrollable gifts, few of them.
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This track is one of the most lyrical and beautiful Williams has ever done. One of the things I enjoy the most is playing at the computer, and in my keyboard, play the strings part on top of it. It's excilarating. I end up semi-deaf after these.
Another thing I did, is made a piano concerto arrangement of it. Piano begins accompanying orchestra with arpeggios, and then full chords with the chorus. Then it takes the melodic part of the flute, and when orchestra repeats the theme, piano accompanies again in arpeggios and chords. Sounds like the best of Rachmaninoff or Tchaikovsky.
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Actually, I think is impossible to stay in only one side, either good or bad. We are all lingering between them, the Yin-Yang concept that Star Wars is about, there must be balance between the dark and the good side. Anakin did bring balance to the Force, but there were too many Jedis, so he brought more weight to the Dark Side, which was weak at that time. The prophecy was right, the intepretation was wrong.
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The CGI is bad, you can tell instantly is a CGI, not only when it moves, but also in the stills. It too clean and shiny, too colorful and clear for the surrounding environment, too detailed for the surrounding photography. Jurassic Park CGI's are still the best, in my opinion, not only in light, blending of the still, but also in the movement.
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Bah, I can't believe Henry Mancini composed this trash....
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He flys, and looks like a CGI blur.
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John Debney has some interesting stuff. If there is going to be another John Williams/ William Ross thing, in which Williams puts the themes and the other adapts them, I would like to try John Debney. From what I heard, some Cutthroat Island's themes were from Arnold, and thus the score is very Arnolish. I suspect Debney has the ability to mimic styles.
Another one with the ability to mimic styles is Goldenthal, an great orchestrator too, better than Arnold. I wonder what a Goldenthal adaptation of Williams' themes will sound like.
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Did he removed it not only because it has another theme (Vader's) but also because is too difficult to play? I wonder.
My guess would be that "The Imperial March" is played in the concert suite and he didn't want it to appear again in the suite.
Neil
I love that transition. I want to get my hands on the score. I want to see the orchestra going nuts playing it... -
Arnold was THE guy to score Matrix. He is the one that better blended old-style orchestral adventure score, with techno and modern music. Next choice would be Elfman following what he started with Planet of The Apes, but with techno. Don Davis seem too cold for me, he does standard orchestral effects, few music, few real innovation (in my opinion).
CharlesK- who thinks Matrix Reloaded score is mix of Arnold, Goldenthal and John Adams' Harmonielehre, but to a final sub-quality effect.
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Oh, I figured out a movie that deserves a remake: E.T. (hehe,
)No, better 2001: a space Odissey (hehe, joke again!)
No, really what I would hate about a Superman remake is having Williams music substituted by someone else's. With all due respect, Superman theme and the Love Theme are among the finest music ever composed for this genre, if not THE finest.
Here again, the trick is find the hero's vulnerability and exploit it, in a way that is not predictable nor cliché. But I haven't seen so much of this in the latests hero movies, just special effect's and cool action sequences and visuals, so, until this lousy period fades away, I prefer Hollywood stays away from Superman.
I would like to see a good adaptation of "The Portrait of Dorian Gray" for instance.
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I would have prefered "I will always Love you" to go in Return of the Jedi.. What i mean is, in that context they both suck big time!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Did I say once you had taste in music, Wael? I take my words back.
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I love Asteroid Field, I have studied many times. I only regret that in the concert version, which is played more frequently, Williams removed the first part, which I miss, not only for the great Vader Theme, but for that absoletely amazing rapid, violent, frantic, virtusistic strings that separate the first and second expositions of Vader's theme. It is just a 'transitional' passage, but man, how Williams can come up with these?
Did he removed it not only because it has another theme (Vader's) but also because is too difficult to play? I wonder.
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I think she told me last time she was taking care of her career, which reminds me.........................................................
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I saw the movie last weekend (after I couldn't get tickets for Matrix
). I was paying attention to the score. First White House sequence, hehe, was kind of disturbing for me because they just used Mozart's Dies Irae, from his Requiem. It not only sounded like a "director-still-prefers-temp-track-at-the last-minute" thing, but I also felt a bit insulted because I saw no credits to Mozart, only "music by John Ottman".The rest of his music was fairly good, I praise Ottman's improvement over his last works.
As for the movie, it had more character develpment than you should expect in a superhero movie like this. What it lacked for me is that characters like Wolferine are invincible, they seem not to have any vulnerability, which makes their plot detached and takes away the uncertainty and the suspense.
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We should only remake films if:
1- The new vision can give substantial new content to the original version
2- The original version was especially flawed
3- The original version is lost or in unrestoable state
4- The film has such a great story that it deserves to be put in the perspective of contemporary times
5- The story is a great classic, like Shakespeare's
So, basically, very few films are worth remaking.
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I like the Main theme, very powerful and uplifting. The rest is....well, like the movie...
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Oh, it has advertizing tie-ins? Damn, I hate those, especially when they are too obvious. Heck, don't they cash millions already with the box office, DVD, expanded DVD, toys, rentals, pay-per view, broadcast, etc, etc, etc?
In Minority Report, the Nokia communicator screen annoyed me. But in Matrix they do it more blatantly, they stop action to put the commercial. I hated in the first one that Nokia cellphone falling and stopping briefly in middle air, just for you to clearly see it was a Nokia. Any purpose for the story? None. For the visuals? None.
The advertizings can be intelligently put in a movie, to give a sense of realism and familiarity, or to use the well known qualities of a product as a plot device, without needing to explain it in words. But they have to be as well casual and natural insertions.
Guess what...another rejected score
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Goldenthal's Titus is the most novel view of Roman music I've heard. You can hear 'research' on it, or at least, an attempt to sound in period.
Here we can't talk about accuracy since nobody knows how roman music sounded like. From the instruments, we can expect it to keep within the limited range of the notes that the old non-valved trumpets could play. The thing here is maybe don't try to be historically accurate, since this is impossible, or even awful, but to try to give a new view of it, based on the story of the movie.