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  1. I don’t generally watch Klaytons videos. I wrote the original articles explaining how both scenes worked heh The paddock scene isn’t so much inconsistent as perhaps visually not as clear as it could be. I have the blue prints for the set showing the hole the car was pushed into and the part at road level where the goat had been (between the cars) where the rex exist. With everything going on and the repetitious nature of the fence, not to mention the need to try and match it to an existing location they couldn’t do any real earth works to, it matches as best as they could at the time. The rex entering the rotunda… the only way it works is there’s damage to the freshly made facade on that side by the hurricane… otherwise… movie magic haha
  2. There’s was a notepad sold at auction with notes from Phil Tippet discussing the return of the rex. In earlier scripts the rex chases the cars to the helicopter and even attack the helicopter (you can see this even made it into the coloring book). With those scenes removed, there was this question of how to have the rex return one final time. There was discussion of having the rex attack the raptors outside the VC but by this point in filming they’d lost the location sets to the hurricane. Between Tippet and Spielberg or whoever the decision switched to have the Rex save them inside the VC and Rick Carter—the films production designer—even tried to figure out how the Rex got in but Spielberg was thinking cinematically, not in how it actually got into the building. And I think its important to remember the issue with the rex fence is due to the need to marry location with sound stage, and they did their best. This was pre CG environments. We didn’t really get those till JP3.
  3. Which may be why it wasn’t, but the performance is so different It’s something those of us in the JP community and many in the film score community have wanted. So I’m grateful for it. Yes please! I could give an itemized list… haha To my understanding they never filmed anything but the final ending. it’s worth knowing that it would have been one of the last effect sequences turned in because after they filmed the finale (a film wrap for Ariana and Joey), they cleaned the rotunda and the next day filmed the queue videos for River Adventure and then began tearing the set down. the final shots filmed were Hammond, Grant, and Ellie in the trailer as Hammond invited them. Williams would have had a locked cut but with no effects to score to. Also realize that Williams scored the film with almost NO alternates. He has unused cues, sure, but no alts. Any changes after the locked cut would have been a mix of work between George Lucas and Spielberg in Poland. So any changes—such as the shortening of Raptor in the Shed and making a new cue with tracked music or starting the credits a few seconds earlier and trimming some of the music—and the replacement of music 1:1 in the rex finale would have been one of their ideas
  4. Hey, look. I get it. You wanna be contrary. But for those of us who want to support music archiving… and future proofing of these assets… these releases are important. For one, its Mike. He knows what he’s doing. For two, the original is out of print and I don’t know many people who wanna spend close to $300 online for it. Then there’s the fact it finally includes the only real missing performance from the old set AND the corrected film mix of another. Add to it the fact that the 20th Anniversary set many people do have is deeply flawed. This corrects that too. It’s ok to not want it but it’s ok for others to want it. It’s at least not whole sale deception like some other labels do or including poorly done editing / mastering…. I’d be one of the first to say it if so. You should also know as well as I do that these separate re-releases are usually how they go about EXPANDING things (superman anyone?) and seeing as there are 5 other film scores that could be released… I think it would be ignorant to think this will be just a one off thing. So in the end I WELCOME this and hope that we continue to get more of the music from the series!
  5. I’d love for all those tracks to be released. one version was on the original IOA album, then the reprinted album replaced it with a version not using JW’s themes and there’s a whole other version too. I recorded all that too hah
  6. I think I’d recorded all this probably by 2009 at the latest so we def had it earlier than that! LoL The mixing of the music is hard to comment too much on cause technically I had to record the whole thing twice: once right channel, once for left. And then sync and mix them… there are for sure some alternate takes uses in the River Adventure exit store though… I do agree the mix feels different but I also feel the same way when I get use to hearing real channel rips and feeling like somethings off when we get the music officially released heh so it could just be that I’d love the iso percussion but I’m not sure if he’d ever approve it. It makes me think of “Anderton Runs” where Williams scored with a lot of percussion and synth that could be used or unused in the mix (as evident by three mixes of the same cue). I wouldn’t mind a full perc mix version of “The Hunt” so I can retire mine heh
  7. Universal Orlando’s Islands Of Adventure Jurassic Park island plays the iso percussion from “The Hunt.” The unused track for when ingen shows up to catch the dinos Its incomplete but it played in the Discovery Center outdoor area. I recorded it lol its at 2:56-5:49 in that video. Islands of adventure was in final development just after the lost world came out. A lot of the props and vehicles were sent to Universal Orlando to be put on display and remain there to this day (if they haven’t been thrown out…) The Jurassic Park island has some zones of music written specifically for it but is otherwise mostly music from “The Lost World.” Even the “theme from Jurassic Park” that plays at the entrances to the island is the version recorded for The Lost World.
  8. I’m not at home so I don’t have the information directly in front of me for time codes but based on what I have I can give some guidance. -“[3m2A] Entrance to the Park” the end of this cue on the 2013 release has a ‘clean’ (no chair creek) ending. I don’t mind because it’s what they used for the film edit ending of the cue “[10m3] Eggs in the Forest” -“[9m3-10mA] A Tree for my Bed” this has a slightly different performance in the opening and the ending if I recall -“[10m2] My Friend the Brachiosaurus” has an alternate take near the middle part when the tempo perks up. The ending especially is performed faster. -“[11m2] Preparing to Meet the Monster” I don’t quite recall the difference but I THINK it’s the cue up until the percussive chase moment. -“[11m3-12m1] High Wire Stunts” this has some slight performance differences but the biggest to ear is the final carnivore motif at the end being faster. Possibly because the next cue technically would come in VERY soon after and the album version is more relaxed and doesn’t quite get out of the way in time when synced to the scene. -“[14m2] End Credits (part 1)” If I recall the big difference was in the horn to piano pass off where they aren’t quite in step with eachother. -“[14m2] End Credits (part 2)” again I think the big difference were some edit points and the final part with the carnivore motif (the quieter moments) I can get more specifics later but these are the major changes on the 2013 set I’m really excited for this set! It perfects and finalizes this for me and I can’t wait to explore it again!
  9. I realize I was too vague: there were multiple backlot fires at USH. I'm speaking specifically of this one in which original reports were that original film stock dating from as early as 'I LOVE LUCY' up to films from 2001 went up in the fire, they THEN came back and did a second statement saying "No, it was COPIES that burned" which just seemed like playing PR to me. They had to admit to the film stock burning because of the color of the smoke which indicated certain chemicals which were present. And I wasn't speaking of LEGEND's score burning up but rather potentially film stock. Universal has been very hesitant to give much of a list of anything lost in the fire, again, claiming "nothing lost was irreplaceable"
  10. Don't forget this was a universal film and a large collection of theirs burned down in that backlot fire. Also don't forget the production issues with Legend. The 007 stage the forest was built on burned down during lunch. They hadn't finished or were nearly finished--forget which--with the Jack being forced to Dance by Gump scene and when they were on lunch the whole sound stage burned to the ground. The shots at the end of Lilly and Jack (depending on the cut) running away towards the sun was on a swing set because they had lost the main forest so there were certain things they just couldn't film. Further, if i'm not mistaken, when you watch the "directors cut" what you're seeing is a scan of the interpositive of the cut shown to test audiences. There's a title card that shows before it plays explaining it. So it had ALREADY been tinkered with. The original cut is missing or gone or not to be released--my guess is lost in the fire.
  11. The discussion of Lily Awakens alternate is interesting to me... but I disagree. There's the directors cut and the uk cut and they have differing ideas. -One has Lilly awaken and then they kiss and then its a montage to the end. -The other she awakens and has a conversation with Jack and eventually sings for him. It seems like there was some reworking going on as far as how the cut would be, if there would be a song, etc. Like a revision of the section because bits of each half are used depending on the cut. The Freeze is just a change to the way the track was presented on the album, yea. They cut the repeated section of the synth at the end / opening of the next cues. There's actually more to it than what you played (I edited it slightly out in that track you played...) The Unicorns is an extension insert with some repeated measures again. It does sound like it was re-recording of the section to be patched in if needed--edit dependant I'm sure. Fun talks about the score! I learned some interesting things i didn't know about the time frame in Goldsmith's life and a little more about the production. Thanks for sharing!
  12. Interested to give this a listen! Hopefully my order shows up eventually lol....
  13. yea, I mean the sound quality on the new tracks is more than most have ever had. The Dress Waltz "alternate" I think was kept separate for that reason of the quality but its not really an Alternate. I wouldn't say that. Yes, its mostly a reprint of the two releases with some EQing but the new tracks are definitely worth while and sound pretty darn great! Plus having more LEGEND music is always ideal hehe
  14. Technically speaking the Silva release had the Directors Cut "film" version of the opening (the shorter Jack fanfare with the longer sustain). And you're right, both are missing an insert used in the Director's cut (maybe UK cut too, I'd have to check) as Jack stakes out their hiding spot amongst the lillies up to the Goblins reveal. And what I wouldn't give for them to find the material like the alternate 'The Ring' and such... I know it's for a shorter cut of the film but its gorgeous
  15. They are two different performances. You can see how they otherwise match. The OST variant has the opening synth 2 octaves higher than in the silva release. The silva Release's take also shortens the frantic moment (Jack's theme) for a longer sustain before the flute accent as Lilly spins around angrily at about 00:13 into the cue.
  16. Unfortunately there's not much else to say. Disc 1 is inessence the SILVA release with some EQing done to it. The only difference is "The Unicorns" they pulled from the OST instead so it omits the alternate intro. The new tracks on it sound really good without going back to the originals. "Darkness Arisen" is suppose to score when Darkness appears to the Goblins asking if they killed both unicorns. "Playmates" is 3 unreleased / unused cues. The first is when Brown Tom fights off the goblins to protect the mare using his frying pan, the 2nd cue in the assembly is the part where Oona chases Lilly through the Hall of Columns, and the last cue is for as they set up the mirrors. None are used in the film or had been released before. Disc 2 is the OST with VERY minor EQing done. The Alternate Faerie Dance is a true alternate (the version intended for use in the film but the footage was not completed due to a major fire that burned down the entire set and They must have lost what they had as all that exists of it is this video: "The Dress Waltz" alternate is NOT an alternate, but rather the full cue as the presentations previously omitted the ending heard as Darkness exists the mirror.
  17. I'm a bit bothered I hadn't thought of this... even the orchestrations are overall pretty low excepting some small part which, doing even some medium playback adjustment doesn't sound overly fake... Granted, the main characters whod be singing it didn't have high voices which is why I don't think this had occurred to me... plus it was released on the album unadjusted...but I think its a possibility at least!
  18. This will give you some information, but I can elaborate more if you'd like and it seems like my overview was spot on for what this release was. EDIT: Except they unfortunately used the OST 'The Unicorns' on both disc 1 and disc 2, effectively omitting the Silva alternate section from the release.
  19. I honestly adore this score and have studied it in as about much depth as one can... looking at the track list and track lengths I'm hoping for a few things and based on how it looks / the track list, I'm guessing Disc 1 is the Silva release (with remastering and 2 new tracks) and Disc 2 is the OST (with remastering and 2 new tracks). Disc 1 -"Main Titles" and "The Goblins" (disc 2 presents 'The Goblins' isolated unlike the Silva release) -"My True Loves Eyes" and "The Cottage" (same on both releases really) -"The Unicorns" is a combination of two tracks: 'Jack Surprises Lilly' and 'The Unicorns' both of which have alternates. IF Disc 1 is the SILVA and Disc 2 is the OST, then this will present BOTH versions of 'Jack Surprises Lilly' but neither will have 'The Unicorns' alt. 'Jack Surprises Lilly' (track 07 on the OST) has a different opening than the Silva release (track 03). One's more energetic while the other has a sustained moment. 'The Unicorns' has a section of about 15 seconds that's a repeated / choirless section that was on a boot sourced from the DAT tapes around the 3:45 mark in the combined track. It would make this compiled track over 8 minutes which it isn't so I think it's not included. -"Living River" / "Bumps and Hollows" / "The Freeze" - This is three tracks (per the names). Typically, the ending of "Bumps and Hollows" into "The Freeze" (approximately 45 seconds) heard on the DAT boot is omitted on the released albums. It's mostly synth swells and repeated throbbing synth so It seems to be omitted for that reason. -"Darkness Arisen" is out of order (it should be after "The Armour / Oona's Secret") Good to finally have THIS in original quality!!! Its only been on the DAT tape boot. It would be heard when Darkness speaks with the Goblins to confirm they killed the unicorn(s) plural (but they hadn't killed the mare). -"The Fairies / The Riddle" There's an alternate or more probably an extension to "The Fairies" in the film which seems to have been lost which is really disappointing tbh... maybe one day we'll get lucky and they'll find the tapes. The Silva also has a different ending to "The Riddle" than the OST so we should be getting both of these if they did what I suspect. -"Sing The Wee" i kinda wish we knew more about how this was to be heard in the film (or that it existed in one of the cuts). -"Playmates" now THIS track intrigues me! Best I can tell it is THREE omitted cues. It's firstly a cue for when Brown Tom fights off the Goblins with his frying pan (and thinks he got shot). It sounds (based on the sample) like it THEN goes into "Hall of Columns" next BUT there's about 30 seconds left which makes me think it's also the cue for when they set the mirrors later in the film (only about 30 seconds). This TRACK ALONE will up the amount of new music by three cues I suspect!!!!! -"Forgive Me" not much to say but it seems to be complete -"Faerie Dance" there are technically 2 main version of this cue, then an alternate additional solo violin mix of 1, and lastly the mixing of the voices heard in the film. I'm hoping that the alternate at the end of Disc 2 is the Film alternate and not just the alternate violin mix of the album version heard on the DAT boot but they're the same length so I'm thinking maybe not... but we'll see! -"The Armour" not much to say but seems complete. -"Oona / The Jewels" are the bookends to "Hall of Columns" which is in the new music on Track 08. -"The Dress Waltz" this confuses me... it was one of the biggest points of contention I had with the boots which is this misunderstanding that there was an alternate. It's not so much an alternate composition as an alternate presentation. You see, after this beautiful waltz queue, Goldsmith goes a bit nuts with the throbbing / crashing synth sound as Darkness steps out of the mirror. This "extension" is omitted / faded out on the albums and is often marked as an alternate when included. Based on the track length noted on Disc 2, I'm thinking it's going to JUST be the full track (with that new section) although I will be HAPPILY wrong if its a true alternate! -"Darkness Falls" is a combination of a few tracks again. 'Darkness appears' which is right after "The Dress Waltz" which is just gorgeous (the film uses a choirless version which is just as haunting). Next you'd then have 'Setting the Mirrors' which is a new cue I think is on that new track, then the rest goes through to the destruction of Darkness. *If anyone is interested, the music used in this section of the UK cut / Directors cut is a mix of music from Psycho II (also by Jerry Goldsmith) and music from Slugs The Movie by Tim Souster). -'The Ring' is another cue I wish we would get lucky and find the masters for because the film has a very beautiful version that reminds me almost of a finale to one of the Williams's disaster films but then goes into this beautiful harp rendition of "True Loves Eyes" that feels very 'Poltergeist' and is just gorgeous. The alternate version we have is a bit bigger and is a rendition of "Bumps and Hollows" instead. -"Reunited" as with the alternate version of the previous track, there seems to be an unreleased alternate for a vocal-less continuation of "True Love's Eyes." It then picks up with the version we hear on the albums just after the vocals. Another cue I fear is lost to time... I'm glad we have the alternate as it includes the singing and such but so sad that the score wasn't preserved better :-/ All in all, I think this'll be a great upgrade on what we have! It includes 4 new tracks (by my count 5 new cues and one expanded cue possibly new cue!?)
  20. Has there been much discussion on the state of the elements from the Film Recordings (not the OST)? I ask because it seems the common practice of that studio at the time was to do downmixes of instrument groups for later mixing into a mono film mix (think JAWS, TOWERING INFERNO, FAMILY PLOT). Listening to the two samples (one being 'Main Title' on JWFan and the other being 'Anna on the Stairs from that podcast) it seems clear to me at least in some cases downmixes had to be used. The strings, for instance, in both of those are mixed LEFT and slightly Left of CENTER respectively. It's not a deal breaker for me but I am curious of the disposition of what was found for the FILM mixes.
  21. I once did a film edit of this scene and If I recall you're exactly right, the music is tracked from later. The hard part was the stretched notes and extensions near the end when they're in the water. Those were tough.
  22. There's a video where Jackson explains he'd intended it to be an old woman who says is... intended to be played by Faye Wray. But she passed away just before filming began. So it sounds like the decision to use Denham is... almost a "well, we had to use someone."
  23. My understanding of the tech and why you're hearing the pitch shifting and cut outs is probably due to how the board was being handled. I always understood that since they changed from one take to the next, it might cause a slight dip in the playback speed as they transition from take to take. Normally you wouldn't roll through the takes so you wouldn't be privy to this sound but since he's rolling from take to take, you hear it. As for the orchestra being muted except celeste, i think it was a similar thing. They meant to end the take at that moment and perhaps to say "this is the end of the take" they muted the groupings of all instruments but I guess the celeste was on a separate grouping and didn't get muted?
  24. This is why I don't just buy any release these days. I try to be mindful of whose doing it and their techniques / attention to detail. The Loudness wars continues taking its toll on so many great releases. For example, I LOVE the score to The Lion King but between disregarding an award winning mix and then overboosting the crap out of it, it's just not worth buying the Legacy release. The wav form looks like a pop song.
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