Kevin McCallister

Ugh, the last time this happened, we got the Psycho remake with Danny Elfman ape-ing Bernard Hermann. No thank you. Does it really matter who gets it? But I'll throw my two cents in...maybe John Ottman or Thomas Newman.

As Williams intended it.

Thanks, Luke! Okay guys, I think I ALMOST got it...check it out... Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace Chronological Cue List Star Wars Main Title Track 1a [0:00-1:17] The Arrival At Naboo Track 1b [1:18-1:48] Queen Amidala Warns The Federation Track 13b [2:52-4:23] Darth Sidious Track 13c [4:23-4:51] *The first 0:36 of this cue is unreleased. The Droid Invasion Track 14c [1:10-1:44] *The first 5 seconds are deleted. There is a seven second deletion at 1:36. Jar Jar Binks and the Swim To Otoh Gunga Track 4a [0:00-2:05] *The last 6 seconds are deleted. Inside the Bubble City Track 10a [0:00-3:05] Attack of the Giant Fish Track 10b [3:05-4:39] The Giant Squid and The Attack on Theed Track 14e [2:08-3:15] *The first two beats have been deleted. The last chord is deleted. Fighting The Guards Track 12b [2:40-3:24] *The first 1:13 is missing. The Arrival at Tatooine Track 7a [0:00-1:52] *There is an edit at 1:14 (0:31) Jar Jar’s Run In With Sebulba Track 4c [3:50-5:07] Anakin’s Home and the Introduction to C-3PO Track 4b [2:05-3:50] *The First 17 seconds are unreleased, there are 10 seconds dialed out at 2:19, and the last 12 seconds are unreleased. Watto’s Deal/Qui-Gon and Shmi Track 11c [1:37-3:15] *The first 0:27 are unreleased and there is 0:17 deletion at 1:52. Anakin, Podracer Mechanic Track 11d [3:15-4:57] Watto’s Roll of the Die Track 11a [0:00-1:23] *There is an edit at 1:12 that deletes 23 seconds. The Probe Droid Track 11b [1:23-1:37] The Flag Parade Track 7b [1:52-4:04] Sebulba’s Dirty Hand and Qui-Gon’s Pep Talk Track 9a [0:00-1:36] Anakin Defeats Sebulba Track 9b [1:36-4:23] *The first chord is missing. The last 1:13 is unreleased. Arrival at Coruscant Track 13a [0:00-2:55] *The first 0:28 are not on the CD. There is an edit at 1:07 (0:20). The last 0:44 are unreleased. This track is repeated in Track 1c [1:48-2:55]. Qui-Gon’s Mission/Obi-Wan’s Warning Track 8 [0:00-3:53] The Queen and Group Land on Naboo Track 6a [0:00-2:06] *The last 17 seconds are unreleased. Jar Jar Leads Group to the Gungans Track 6b [2:06-4:07] There is an edit at 2:38 (0:24). The Gungan March Track 14a [0:00-0:31] Activating The Battle Droids Track 14b [0:31-1:06] *The opening chord is unreleased, as is the last one. The Battle Begins Track 14d [1:44-2:08] *The opening, middle section, and ending are unreleased. The Hangar Battle Track 12a [0:00-2:40] *There is material deleted at 0:36, 1:11, and at 1:44. The Droid Battle Track 5 [0:00-2:37] Qui-Gon’s Noble End Track 15 [0:00-3:48] *The first 48 seconds have been deleted. The High Council Meeting Track 16a [0:00-1:47] *Track is mislabeled, should be “The Queen Confronts Nute and Rune,” High Council Meeting is Unreleased. Qui-Gon’s Funeral Track 16b [1:48-3:08] Augie’s Great Municipal Band (Alternate) Track 17a [0:00-1:23] End Credits Track 17b [1:24-9:38] CONCERT VERSIONS Duel of the Fates Track 2 Anakin’s Theme Track 3 The ONLY think I am still missing is where Track 14f (The Appearance of Darth Maul) goes (3:45-end).

I may at some point. Jesh. I just figure for now, I'd rather hear some of the music without the edits. There are some cues on it I really do want though, such as Anakin is Free. As it turns out, I looked at the complete cue list again, and it actually did give me most of the info I needed. Here's what I know so far... Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace Chronological Cue List Star Wars Main Title Track 1a [0:00-1:17] The Droid Invasion Track 14c [1:10-1:44] *The first 5 seconds are deleted. There is a seven second deletion at 1:36. Jar Jar Binks and the Swim To Otoh Gunga Track 4a [0:00-2:05] *The last 6 seconds are deleted. Inside the Bubble City Track 10a [0:00-3:05] Attack of the Giant Fish Track 10b [3:05-4:39] The Giant Squid and The Attack on Theed Track 14e [2:09-3:15] *The first two beats have been deleted. The last chord is deleted. Fighting The Guards Track 12b [2:40-3:24] *The first 1:13 is missing. The Arrival at Tatooine Track 7a [0:00-0:24] *The last 1:58 is missing. The Probe Droid Track 11 [1:23-1:37] The Flag Parade Track 7c [1:52-4:04] Sebulba’s Dirty Hand and Qui-Gon’s Pep Talk Track 9a [0:00-1:36] Anakin Defeats Sebulba Track 9b [1:36-4:23] *The first chord is missing. The last 1:13 is unreleased. Qui-Gon’s Mission/Obi-Wan’s Warning Track 8 [0:00-3:53] The Gungan March Track 14a [0:00-0:31] Activating The Battle Droids Track 14b [0:31-1:06] *The opening chord is unreleased, as is the last one. The Battle Begins Track 14d [1:44-2:08] *The opening, middle section, and ending are unreleased. The Hangar Battle Track 12a [0:00-2:40] *There is material deleted at 0:36, 1:11, and at 1:44. The Droid Battle Track 5 [0:00-2:37] Qui-Gon’s Noble End Track 15 [0:00-3:48] *The first 48 seconds have been deleted. The High Council Meeting Track 16a [0:00-1:47] *Track is mislabeled, should be “The Queen Confronts Nute and Rune,” High Council Meeting is Unreleased. Qui-Gon’s Funeral Track 16b [1:48-3:08] Augie’s Great Municipal Band (Alternate) Track 17a [0:00-1:23] End Credits Track 17b [1:24-9:38] CONCERT VERSIONS Duel of the Fates Track 2 Anakin’s Theme Track 3 Unknowns Track 1b-whatever else there is Track 4b Track 6 Track 7b Track 11-13 14f If anyone can help me with those las few tracks, then the list will be complete! Thank you!

Umm, help?

Okay, I just got TPM OST (my library apparantly alows us to take out CDs, this being one of several I borrowed last night). I'm loving it, but does anyone happen to know the chronological cue list for it (one that is like the one potsed for REVENGE OF THE SITH)? I know there's the *complete list* on the site, but most of that refers to the Ultimate Edition (which unless I can burn, I don't see myself investing in anytime soon, as it seems to me like nothing more than the purchase of a high quality bootleg) and not the OST. Here's what I do know... Track 2 - Duel of the Fates (Concert) Track 3 - Anakin's Theme (Concert) Track 16 - High Council Meeting/Qui-Gon's Funeral Track 17 - Augie's Municipal Band (Alternate)/End Credits Thank you!

Wouldn't this be "Grievous and the Droids?" The scene is when Grievous abandons the ship. Whoever created the chronological cue list properly referred to this as "Grievous Abandons Ship." Plus, there is no record of it being recorded, and most of it was cut from the film, with the "Escape From Naboo" music playing almost around the same scene, so it's a good bet that this was the original music for that scene. Hope this helps.

Well, when Silvestri did the Mummy Returns, did he remain loyal to any of Goldsmith's material from the first film?

Ender, my reaction to this news was identical to your own. Still, it's understanable, considering how badly Danny's score for SM2 was treated in the film. However, seeing as Silvestri is probably my favorite composer, I would not be at all against him being brought in.

Umm...right. :roll:

The end credits of the film lists who was responsible for the rescored tracks and what they scored. Aside from the CDs for both films, the SM2 DVD has been the greatest source. For example: In the music section, there is a shot of the COMPLETE cue list (although the alternates are missing, they are discernable from other spots both in the film, on CD, and in the doc). The documentary's background music also play NUMEROUS unrelreased/unused segements, which is how I came to hear the unused original opening for "Pizza Man" and realize that Elfman's version does play over Spider-Man's appearance in the film (it's in the Direction segment of the documentary, right after Sam and John Dykstra look into their mini-camera. Notice closely that not only does the music segue perfectly into Elfman's music in the film, but the percussion for the opening matches EXACTLY with what we hear during Spider-Man's swing with the Pizzas in the film). Elfman also gave an interview to a French magazine last year which more or less detailed his experience with the film and the above information. One tidbit I'm not sure many of you know: I had the hardest time trying to figure out where the unused last minute of "Spidus Inerruptus" belonged in the film, when in fact, it's a completely different cue for a completely different scene. The cue is "Not Quite Back Yet" and it underscores the MY BACK scene where Peter jumps over the building. I even tries synching the music to the movie, and it plays BEAUTIFULLY. So much better than the main titles, but I can see why they cut it out, as the slow motion of Peter's jump does not synch perfectly to the music. But to me, why cut the music to the film instead od the other way around? I agree, but there is forty mintues of some of the best music in the movie that we will never probably hear. I'm not saying we have to have a 79 minute CD. Even if the CD could be around the 60 minute mark, that would be fine. I think Batman is really the best example of an Elfman score with all of the most important music intact and a CD that is the perfect length to boot. Tracks like "Pizza Man," "Spider-Fall," "A Hostage" (when Ock kidnaps MJ), "Uncle Ben" (when Peter quits), and the Ock Demonstration cues (some of which can be heard on the DVD) are to me, major cues that should've been on the CD. But I do agree that the album does the best it can.

Here's the way it apparantly went down: After the film had been scored, two crucial problems hit it, 1) Sony decided last minute to heavily re-edit the film before its final release and 2) As a result, temp tracking became an issue as well. Elfman was asked back to re-score the film, but declined, saying he felt the score was fine, as well as being firmly committed to other projects as well (Sam Raimi supposedly felt the same, one can only speculate how he felt about the re-edits). Several musical sequences were dropped entirely, tracked with music from earlier in the film or from the first film, OR were completely rescored. JOHN DEBNEY was responsible for the following: "Special Delivery": Replaces the first half of Elfman's "Pizza Man." A boisterous cue for Peter's ride on a motorcycle through town. Once Spider-Man appears, it is Elfman's original music, inter-cut. "Cake Girl": Replaces "Peter's Turmoil," which is on the album. Occurs just after the fire sequence, with Peter's neighbor offering him cake. CHRISTOPHER YOUNG was responsible for the following: "The Reveal" "Blue Light" "Fusion" "Mayhem" (All of the above were originally scored by Elfman under the Ock Demonstration. Young rescored all of them) "Runaway Train": Replaces Elfman's "Train," which is intact on the album. This cue was used in other parts of the film as well. No other composers worked on the film. Several scenes were tracked with music from the first film. They include the following: - Peter is about to take their picture as MJ and Jameson's son come down the stairs - "Main titles" - Spidey swings to stop the thieves in the car before going to MJ's play - a part of "Revenge" - The MY BACK!! scene - "Main Titles" again - Spidey is swinging - Last moments of "Parade Attack" - and then falls to the ground - A part of "Revenge" - Peter dumping the suit - Last moments of "Final Confrontation" - The Fire sequence is tracked with the music from the the fire sequence in the first film - "Appreciation": intact on the album, tracked with the end of "Final Confrontation" - During the last showdown with Doc Ock at the pier, Dock Ock throws him out and then he swings back - Choir part of "Revenge" [Those editors sure loved "Revenge" like they should] "Aunt May Packs" - tracked with "Getting Through" and "Alone" There are probably many other instances that I am forgetting. MOST of the unused unreleased music to the above sequences can be heard in the DVD Dcoumentaries, and some of it is quite phenomenal. It's a shame that the project had to have such terrible luck. The CD isn't much better, as it is also short and edited in several places. The fact that Elfman is bowing out of the series is a disappointment, but I'm sure they will find someone.

Eastwood last year criticized RETURN OF THE KING as being about ?nothing but effects.? I don't care how good Million Dollar Baby is. The man is not the god of film the Academy seems to think he is.

* My original pick + Who I thought would actually get it $ Who got it Visual Effects HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN+ I, ROBOT SPIDER-MAN 2*$ Sound Mixing THE AVIATOR* THE INCREDIBLES THE POLAR EXPRESS RAY$ SPIDER-MAN 2+ Sound Editing THE INCREDIBLES*+$ THE POLAR EXPRESS SPIDER-MAN 2 Makeup LEMONY SNICKET'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS*+$ THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST THE SEA INSIDE Film Editing THE AVIATOR+$ COLLATERAL* FINDING NEVERLAND MILLION DOLLAR BABY RAY Costume Design THE AVIATOR $ FINDING NEVERLAND LEMONY SNICKET'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS*+ RAY TROY Art Direction THE AVIATOR $ FINDING NEVERLAND LEMONY SNICKET'S A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS*+ THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT Cinematography THE AVIATOR $ HOUSE OF FLYING DAGGERS+ THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST* THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT Original Song "ACCIDENTALLY IN LOVE", Shrek 2* "AL OTRO LADO DEL RIO", The Motorcycle Diaries $ "BELIEVE", The Polar Express "LEARN TO BE LONELY", The Phantom of the Opera" "VOIS SUR TON CHEMIN", The Chorus+ Original Score JAN A. P. KACZMAREK, Finding Neverland+$ JOHN WILLIAMS, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban THOMAS NEWMAN, Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events JOHN DEBNEY, The Passion of the Christ* JAMES NEWTON HOWARD, The Village Supporting Actor ALAN ALDA, The Aviator THOMAS HADEN CHURCH, Sideways JAMIE FOXX, Collateral+ MORGAN FREEMAN, Million Dollar Baby*$ CLIVE OWEN, Closer Supporting Actress CATE BLANCHETT, The Aviator $ LAURA LINNEY, Kinsey VIRGINIA MADSEN, Sideways SOPHIE OKONEDO, Hotel Rwanda NATALIE PORTMAN, Closer*+ Actor DON CHEADLE, Hotel Rwanda+ JOHNNY DEPP, Finding Neverland LEONARDO DiCAPRIO, The Aviator CLINT EASTWOOD, Million Dollar Baby JAMIE FOXX, Ray*$ Actress ANNETTE BENING, Being Julia CATALINA SANDINO MORENO, Maria Full of Grace IMELDA STAUNTON, Vera Drake HILARY SWANK, Million Dollar Baby+$ KATE WINSLET, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind* Adapted Screenplay RICHARD LINKLATER, ETHAN HAWKE, JULIE DELPY, KIM KRIZAN; Before Sunset DAVID MAGEE, Finding Neverland PAUL HAGGIS, Million Dollar Baby JOSE RIVERA, The Motorcycle Diaries ALEXANDER PAYNE, JIM TAYLOR; Sideways*+$ Original Screenplay JOHN LOGAN, The Aviator CHARLIE KAUFMAN, MICHEL GONDRY, PIERRE BISMUTH; Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind*+$ KEIR PEARSON, TERRY GEORGE; Hotel Rwanda BRAD BIRD, The Incredibles MIKE LEIGH, Vera Drake Director MARTIN SCORSESE, The Aviator* CLINT EASTWOOD, Million Dollar Baby+$ TAYLOR HACKFORD, Ray ALEXANDER PAYNE, Sideways MIKE LEIGH, Vera Drake Best Picture THE AVIATOR FINDING NEVERLAND MILLION DOLLAR BABY+$ RAY SIDEWAYS* --With the exception of 6 categories, everything that won was either a personal pick or prediction. Hee. --The Terminator theme was used not once, not twice, but three times by the orchestra over the course of the show. I had no idea Bill Conti was such a fan. --Scorsese screwed again. BAH. --Spider-Man 2 won for visual effects! Score! --Anyone else think Jamie Foxx was a bit confused when RAY won for best sound mixing? The look on his face just said, "Umm, hey guys, did we just win for something?" --Since Cate won, this technically means that Katherine Hepburn now has a record five oscar wins. --Chris Rock, while not as charming or entertaining as say, Billy Crystal or Johnny Carson, did a fairly good job. I liked him. --Thank God Eternal Sunshine won. If it hadn't, I might've been forced to give up film. --Hilary Swank just HAD to win for Million Dollar Baby. "I don't know what I did in life to deserve all this." Neither do we, Hilary. Now go away. --Morgan finally got an Oscar. Woo-hoo Morgan! --The score category sadly proceded as I predicted. Oh well. --Unfair or not, but I am just sick of Clint Eastwood. I don't really care how good Million Dollar Baby is. I would just much rather have seen Sideways or Ray win instead. And his Lord of the Rings comment from last year? *smack* And there you have it.

Jaws, without a doubt. The theme is great, but apart from the film, only in certain cues does the music do anything for me.

It seems to be that way. I mean, just listen to what he says. He and George would actually discuss what was going to happen and argue over certain points as opposed to Rick McCallum who says, "Yes, George", when Lucas decides that a subplot involving Midichlorians is appropriate. I would include Kirschner in there as well, as he seemed to also stand up to George along with Gary. And Gary knows what's happening. He's seen the prequels and just from having worked with George before, he knows how it's all being handled. Lucas is now surrounded with a crew of yes-men who would sooner turn Anakin into a green duck and Amidala into a whore as long as Lucas felt it to be.

Breathmask - http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/376/376873p1.html and http://www.filmthreat.com/Interviews.asp%3....inc&amp%3BId=8 The second is from Filmthreat.com.

I just posted this over at Don's Diner on Superman Cinema and wanted to know what you guys thought as well... I just re-read both Gary Kurtz interviews (one at filmforce and another elsewhere that escapes me), in which he delves into some of the original details that were planned for Return of the Jedi following Empire before he left his spot as producer of the films. Such plot details include... - Sticking to the original plan of nine films. - Killing Han Solo. - No new Death Star. - Having Leia wind up becoming Queen of whatever remained left of the galaxy. - Making the Luke/Vader conflict revolve around the idea of Vader luring Luke to join him in an attempt to overthrow the Emperor. - No Ewoks. - Leia not being Luke's sister and making her someone else in the galaxy whom we would see in the next trilogy. - The Emperor would not appear until Episode IX. Others that have been mentioned as well include... - Luke and Vader's final battle taking place on Coruscant, due to no Death Star. - Due to no Ewoks, Wookees would be used instead. - Lando would die in the Millenium Falcon as it was blown up, along with all aboard. Man, if some of this had happened...I think it would've been great. Much more in tone with Empire before it, and it sets up for the final trilogy. I don't know if an entire new trilogy based solely on Luke without the other main characters would've worked, but if Kurtz had remained on and Lucas stepped aside some more...man who knows what we could've gotten. Thoughts?

I haven't bought it either. Haven't had the desire to really.

Is it just me, or did Varese's shipping charges go up? I could be going crazy, but I do not remember their shipping charge being so high ($6.50). Can someone help?

Re: most of the topics... Score: It's great Williams was nominated, but somehow, I doubt he will get it. My personal pick would be the Passion by Debney, but I have a feeling it will most likely go to Finding Neverland. Here's hoping. Direction: If Scorsese gets screwed by the Academy again, then I just have no words. Only bile. Visual Effects: It's a crime that Sky Captain wasn't nominated. I didn't see Harry Potter or I Robot, but I thought Spider-Man 2 had great special effects and it gets my vote. Still, I would not be surprised if the award went to Potter.

The Matrix Revolutions: Garbage. The worst ending to a major trilogy ever. Period. Superman III: A guilty pleasure, but understandbly, it is not a good film. Back to the Future Part III: Has much more heart than its predecessor; not as good as the original and arguably duller than the zany II, but still a great film on it's own. Return of the Jedi: Jedi actually used to be my favorite of the trilogy when I was younger. It's a bit lighter and doesn't mesh as well with the dark tone set by Empire before it. In spite of the problems, it still tells the Darth Vader story damn well, which is ultimately what the entire series is all about. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines: It really tries, but cannot even stand up to its predecessors. Not to mention that the ending completely defeats the climaxes of the films before it. Juassic Park III: Like Terminator, it tries, but just winds up being fluff and unnecessary. Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade: A fun, wild romp with Indiana Jones for the last time. It does feel as though it lacks that "childhood gleam of excitement" Spielberg gave the earlier films (and his other early films in general) and sometimes comes off as a big apology for Temple of Doom, but overall, still a great movie. Sean Connery as Indy's father - genius. Austin Powers In Goldmember: At times is very funny, but for some reason, it just doesn't do it for me like the way the other two do. Batman Forever: Might've been better had Warner stuck to the original cut of the film, but the movie would still suffer from being completely done in the wrong tone, poor direction, and its ridiculous design and plot points. LOTR: The Return of the King: Fantastic. Engaging, exciting, action-packed, and heartfelt. Easily the best of the trilogy. Neil, I respect your opinion of ROTJ, but how you can speak of Alien 3, Godfather Part III, and Austin Powers in Goldmember in a higher manner than that film is just baffles me.

Anyone else think that this question should be reversed?

No one is saying that Neil. Just remember that for some people, Star Wars is a non-factor in their lives.

I would write something, but Lord Maurizio just said nearly word for word my thoughts exactly. I'm not a fan of the changes either guys. But what will any of us get by whining and complaining about them? Let Lucas tinker with his movies. They're HIS movies. He could blow up Tatooine, put Jar Jar in the originals, and have Luke turn to the dark side. Star Wars is HIS shit. Instead of despairing over it, let's enjoy what we've got, shall we? Many of us still have the original versions. We have our 2-CD John Williams sets. I will reiterate what I've said before - if the fans had even ATTEMPTED to listen when Lucas said back in 97' about the VHS rereleases being, "THE LAST TIME THE ORIGINAL FILMS WILL BE AVAILABLE IN ANY FORMAT", maybe there wouldn't be so much uproar.