Mattris

@Mattris Please, please, please help us to understand Darth Vader's plan!
 
"Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." - Princess Leia Organa, from Star Wars
 
"Tell us. Tell us now!" - Anakin Skywalker, from Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
 
"Somebody has to save our skins." - Princess Leia Organa, from Star Wars
 
"The greatest teacher, failure is. We are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters." - Yoda, from Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Williams was JOKING, and everyone got it, except you. He’s done this shtick several times. You can’t be THAT naive to think that John Williams doesn’t remember what film the piece he is about perform and has rehearsed, is from. I mean seriously, even presuming it is an insult to the Maestro’s intellect.

Yes, Kathleen Kennedy said, "... George initially set out to do with a kind of three act saga with these three trilogies". But what comes next won't be 'backtracking'. Along with the rest of the Star Wars fandom, you'll realize that the story was always heading in this direction. Those responsible made sure to say and do enough to keep their audience distracted from their real plans.
 
 
Things, such as?
 
 
You should also know that combinations of words yield meaning. (That's how authors can convey grander intent and substance within their stories... even across multiple volumes, across multiple decades.) Perhaps you'd be better served to assess the words of Star Wars instead of criticizing mine.
 
 
Did you get anything out of the prequels? The backstory provided by Obi-Wan should have be cautionary to Luke Skywalker and the audience. But no, the movies clearly showed that Luke became a hero from humble beginnings. And a few years after he started his journey, he was victorious! What an inspirational story!
 
Honestly, I don't think you've made sense of anything. Mark my words, so many assumptions will come back to haunt you.

@Mattris Copy that. Looking forward to that midi-chlorian trilogy bringing us to your plane of enlightenment, God whilling.

If Zekeckis ever sells BTTF to Disney, we could make a Disenchantment Under the Sea Thread...
 
EDIT: Well that's just too funny a misspelling to correct.

A sort of Mattris Disenchantment thread, if you will.

Perhaps we need a disenchantment thread about disenchantment with the Star Wars Disenchantment thread. A thread that realizes @John's original vision.  
 
"Star Wars Disenchantment: The Special Edition". 

You claim the discussion is boring, but what examples have you cited to substantiate this claim?
 
I submit that your inability to derive enjoyment from this discussion stems from a fundamental misreading of Star Wars and an inability to grasp its contextual subtleties.
 
But what do you think this discussion means?
 

What's "interesting" is that the Falcon was likely the only Rebel ship leaving Hoth without a functional hyperdrive. How (in)convenient!
 
"No lightspeed?"  - Princess Leia
"It's not my fault"  - Han Solo
 
 
Probes, the Imperial Fleet, Vader's own powers. Until bounty hunters were hired, nothing was getting the job done. What was the trap?
 
 
It was never a matter of the Falcon being "easier to find/notice". The point was that it was the only ship Vader wanted. Apparently his trap had something to do with it.
 
"He doesn't want you at all. He's after somebody... uh, Skywalker."  - Lando Calrissian
 
 
Yet Vader and the Imperial Fleet lost the Falcon time after time... a ship without hyperdrive. Idiots!
 
 
Not so fast. I want to know how you think the main story of The Empire Strikes Back  came together... a film that many - if not, most - Star Wars fans consider the best of the series. Surely you've made sense of it.
 
Again, what makes you think Vader knew Luke was being trained? Was Vader's so-called 'trap' contingent on Luke experiencing a specific Force vision... before Vader had actually captured the Falcon's crew? As shown in the film, Boba Fett located the Falcon. It was insinuated that Fett reported its probable destination to Vader, who proceeded ahead to Bespin.

I am literally on the edge of my seat waiting to hear Mattris' answers to these questions. I pray he has compassion on us and deigns to shower us with his wisdom, providing clear and comprehensive responses so that we might begin to understand.

Yes, Kathleen Kennedy said, "... George initially set out to do with a kind of three act saga with these three trilogies". But what comes next won't be 'backtracking'. Along with the rest of the Star Wars fandom, you'll realize that the story was always heading in this direction. Those responsible made sure to say and do enough to keep their audience distracted from their real plans.
 
 
Things, such as?
 
 
You should also know that combinations of words yield meaning. (That's how authors can convey grander intent and substance within their stories... even across multiple volumes, across multiple decades.) Perhaps you'd be better served to assess the words of Star Wars instead of criticizing mine.
 
 
Did you get anything out of the prequels? The backstory provided by Obi-Wan should have be cautionary to Luke Skywalker and the audience. But no, the movies clearly showed that Luke became a hero from humble beginnings. And a few years after he started his journey, he was victorious! What an inspirational story!
 
Honestly, I don't think you've made sense of anything. Mark my words, so many assumptions will come back to haunt you.

Those quotes are also among the most important of the grander Star Wars story.

Yes, Kathleen Kennedy said, "... George initially set out to do with a kind of three act saga with these three trilogies". But what comes next won't be 'backtracking'. Along with the rest of the Star Wars fandom, you'll realize that the story was always heading in this direction. Those responsible made sure to say and do enough to keep their audience distracted from their real plans.
 
 
Things, such as?
 
 
You should also know that combinations of words yield meaning. (That's how authors can convey grander intent and substance within their stories... even across multiple volumes, across multiple decades.) Perhaps you'd be better served to assess the words of Star Wars instead of criticizing mine.
 
 
Did you get anything out of the prequels? The backstory provided by Obi-Wan should have be cautionary to Luke Skywalker and the audience. But no, the movies clearly showed that Luke became a hero from humble beginnings. And a few years after he started his journey, he was victorious! What an inspirational story!
 
Honestly, I don't think you've made sense of anything. Mark my words, so many assumptions will come back to haunt you.

Yes, Kathleen Kennedy said, "... George initially set out to do with a kind of three act saga with these three trilogies". But what comes next won't be 'backtracking'. Along with the rest of the Star Wars fandom, you'll realize that the story was always heading in this direction. Those responsible made sure to say and do enough to keep their audience distracted from their real plans.
 
 
Things, such as?
 
 
You should also know that combinations of words yield meaning. (That's how authors can convey grander intent and substance within their stories... even across multiple volumes, across multiple decades.) Perhaps you'd be better served to assess the words of Star Wars instead of criticizing mine.
 
 
Did you get anything out of the prequels? The backstory provided by Obi-Wan should have be cautionary to Luke Skywalker and the audience. But no, the movies clearly showed that Luke became a hero from humble beginnings. And a few years after he started his journey, he was victorious! What an inspirational story!
 
Honestly, I don't think you've made sense of anything. Mark my words, so many assumptions will come back to haunt you.

The first two trilogies do not tell a complete story, only a lame one with dozens of things about the lore, history, and plots left unexplained. You are aware of what they are, right?
 
 
It's a story being told. The words of which it's comprised tell the story. Words have definitions. Much can be garnered from these facts. Though one might have to pay attention and actually think.
 
 
The OT? Perhaps you can make sense of why farmboy Luke Skywalker ended up being taught by two failures in their ways of the Force/Jedi... and ended up (seemingly) winning after not really learning anything.
 
 
Anyone is free to approach Star Wars in this manner. But those doing so will be denying reality... and the rest of the story.
 
 
From my point of view, that might be the most ironic statement in this entire topic.
 
I was just wondering if any here could cite any confirmed George Lucas lies. I'm still waiting...

I love you Mattris!

As already demonstrated, it's those like you who completely ignore factual evidence and the literal contents of the stories in favor of underestimations, assumptions, and an utter lack of logical reasoning. Only direct contradictions made by Lucas could lead one to believe that he has "lied". These statements would need to be examined on a case-by-case basis. What are they again?

"Never more than twelve."  - Kino Loy, from Andor
 
 
I think some of you are putting far too much stock in these 'drafts', works that did not have to be made public, nor are they canon.
 
What did George Lucas say that confirms he "lied"? And with what evidence can it be proven?

As already demonstrated, it's those like you who completely ignore factual evidence and the literal contents of the stories in favor of underestimations, assumptions, and an utter lack of logical reasoning. Only direct contradictions made by Lucas could lead one to believe that he has "lied". These statements would need to be examined on a case-by-case basis. What are they again?

Then you made a mistake to correct me. I meant what I said. The fact is, I've been referencing "the deliberate connectedness of the Star Wars themes, both musically and narratively" for years now. I'm noticing and sharing with you what you missed.
 
 
It's all I'm willing to tell you. Can you blame me? Why should I tell you more?
 
I am not implying that "Rose has a stronger connection to the Force then other characters whose theme does not have such a connection". Could the themes for Yoda and Qui-Gon have a connection to the Force theme that you haven't noticed? Nothing seems to be "obvious" to those who doubt, dismiss, and underestimate so much... those like yourself.
 
What you couldn't have told me is that, in Star Wars, all of the characters and groups were certain they were doing the right thing. They were all  wrong.
 
 
Rest assured, I'm very real. I expect those who come here to troll me will think of me when it  happens.  
 
 
That would be funny. Regardless of what Lucasfilm does, I'll never let go of the theories I've substantiated.
 
 
So bad... because?
 
 
No, I don't believe that John Williams planned out the entire thematic/motific structure of the 3 trilogies and beyond. I suspect George Lucas told his composer enough so that he could do his job properly, that is, compose the scores and themes so that things would make sense in 'the end'.
 
My thinking is that the presence of such a prominent theme for Darth Vader in the original film would have been detrimental to its content and overall tone... what certainly felt like the start of a Hero's Journey. In the sequel, the obsession and menace of Vader is made that much more impactful with his new, memorable theme. As we know, the prequels showed the transformation of Anakin into Vader. The theme we knew had to feature.

Palpatine offered Kylo "a new Empire". Scoring the shots of the Imperial Star Destroyers with the Imperial March makes sense.

You're clearly not thinking much at all.
 
I said:  "Just another example of the deliberate connectedness of the Star Wars themes, both musically and narratively."
 
You responded:  "Only musically, you mean."
 
I meant both, as I said.

He already did. And so did you. (And it has nothing to do my posts here.)
 
 
What do you think he lied about? What are your sources?

As already demonstrated, it's those like you who completely ignore factual evidence and the literal contents of the stories in favor of underestimations, assumptions, and an utter lack of logical reasoning. Only direct contradictions made by Lucas could lead one to believe that he has "lied". These statements would need to be examined on a case-by-case basis. What are they again?