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So doug anything else Hobbit music related in the pipeline except for the book of course?
Book?
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The Favourite Recipes of the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit Films Composer?
Hawaiian style.Doug, if you're still answering questions, what does Howard Shore like on his pizza?
Thank god, I thought I was going to have to wait for the book to find out!
No book on this subject is complete without a chapter on the culinary habits of Ludwig 'I must eat spaghetti' Wicki.
Solid point. Ludwig's eating habits are far more entertaining.
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Is there any chance The Hobbit book will have a Rarities CD inside like the LOTR book?
It would be a nice way to release the music for Thorin's funeral, and other BOFA EE cues, not to mention a lot of great AUJ music that got left off that film's OST.
Always a chance, but nothing currently in the pipeline.
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I might be visiting Chicago for a hot minute this October. I visited two Octobers ago and loved it - what a great city!
Time it right and the trees should be gorgeous.
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Doug, if you're still answering questions, what does Howard Shore like on his pizza?
Hawaiian style.
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To be fair, it's more Dwarf harmony than just Thorin. His theme is not the only that uses it.Thanks for that piece of info Doug!
Thorin's theme harmonies! It all makes sense now!
Depends on how much abuse I can withstand this summer.Cool, thanks!
You recently tweeted that you recently finished 3 different books. Do you think any of them will be out by Christmas?
You control when the books come out more than the publishers do? Interesting!
I can't wait to see what they all are. I've heard you talk about the Silent Film era film score book on that TrackSounds podcast for 3 years in a row!
How's the weather in Chicago today?
Publishers set the goalposts, but I still need to ... uh, kick it in. I'm terrible at sports metaphors.
It's hot here today!
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Thanks for that piece of info Doug!
Thorin's theme harmonies! It all makes sense now!
To be fair, it's more Dwarf harmony than just Thorin. His theme is not the only that uses it.
Cool, thanks!
You recently tweeted that you recently finished 3 different books. Do you think any of them will be out by Christmas?
Depends on how much abuse I can withstand this summer.
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There is no Dale theme.
When did he say that? The only thing I've heard him saying was that Shore hasn't written a Dale theme at the current time (after DOS?) in an interview with Tall Tale Radio.I will say though that Dain's theme captures the tone of Dwarf Lords pretty accurately.
What I would really like to hear is the theme from Edge Of The Wild scoring either the Sons of Durin scene or Bilbo's journey home montage.
Also, didn't Doug say about the DoS score that there is a hint of a Dale theme in there somewhere? If so, what is it, and most importantly, what is the Dale theme in BOTFA?
Hi Doug!
What does the choral music at the end of "Brass Buttons" that recurs in "Out of the Frying Pan" represent?
Variation on Thorin's harmony. Similar devices occur throughout all three scores.
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When did he say that? The only thing I've heard him saying was that Shore hasn't written a Dale theme at the current time (after DOS?) in an interview with Tall Tale Radio.I will say though that Dain's theme captures the tone of Dwarf Lords pretty accurately.
What I would really like to hear is the theme from Edge Of The Wild scoring either the Sons of Durin scene or Bilbo's journey home montage.
Also, didn't Doug say about the DoS score that there is a hint of a Dale theme in there somewhere? If so, what is it, and most importantly, what is the Dale theme in BOTFA?
There is no Dale theme.
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Now sit and hear tell of Arwen's Fate (Restored)
Did I get it right Jim Ware? I am not entirely sure.
He's sitting right next to me. I can ask him for you.
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Doug told you the opening of My Dear Frodo wasnt based on House Of Durin initially, you didnt call him a liar.
Why do you assume I call him that?
At this point i'm not convinced. Is it required that I am? Mr. Adams is a GREAT resource for info, and a swell guy for sharing as much as he does. But that doesnt mean I'm not allowed my own opinion and interpretation. It is music afterall, not maths.
Also, isnt Doug a big boy? Does he need people to stand up for him?
Labeled "bard and family" and dated April 22 of 2013. It's 20 measures long and lasts 59.22 seconds. Tempo is M.M. = 80. Functionally written in the key of F major, though without a key signature.
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Our talk lasted a little over an hour, I think. I'm told that they'd like to use more of it elsewhere, so we'll see.
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Question for Doug.
What's producing that lone drone at 3:40 in Smaug (Extended Version)?
My first thought was didgeridoo, but it sounds a bit too clean and pure for that.
Don't have the audio with me at the moment, but if I'm thinking of the correct passage, it's a tuned gong. Will check later.
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Maybe Doug can shed light on this?
This is just a sliver of a longer theme that Shore wrote for Bard's family. His initial sketch was more fleshed out, but there wasn't really a place in the film to use the rest of it. We originally touched on it--briefly--in the liners, but decided that there wasn't enough on the album to justify the discussion. And yes, the liners did mention the similarity to Bilbo's theme.
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Doug, tell us what you think about The Book Thief.
Karol - really curious
Any score that uses chord extensions in this day and age is ok by me! It's amazing how rare that is anymore.
It's a genuinely lovely score. Lyrical, coherent, and elegant.
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I didn't want to get into the #4-5 Ring connection yet and, in my haste, did not express myself clearly at all. For this I apologize. The AUJ titles are actually more Ring inspired than Dwarf inspired. This was why I said I'd say more at a later date.
To be (slightly) clearer: claiming that the AUJ passage "is the House of Durin" theme is categorically incorrect. The line is related to both Durin and the Ring--more the latter than the former--but it is also its own thing.
This is why I personally put no stock in list making per se. Lists always lose so much nuance. Of course, I couldn't even phrase my previous post correctly, so I guess I'm not one to talk, eh?
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Interesting point about the aleatory KK. Based on how that was notated in LOTR, it seems as though Pope used the approach you see in his Williams stuff in addition to Shore's method. There are both the "boxed" notes marked for random repetition that we see in Doug's book and the "repeat pattern ad lib" stuff that you see in, for example, the dementor material from POA. It might not seem like a big difference, but it sounds different. I heard little, if any, of the trademark Shore aleatory in this score. I wonder if that was by design, or if this will be the one actual Pope-effect.
Shore notated DOS' aleatoric music exactly as he has in the past -- with his "manifesto." I think it's just a case of different performers interpreting it differently.
Every orchestra I've heard play the LOTR scores has had its own unique take on the aleatoric passages as well. I love what the LPO does with them, but frankly, I prefer the Swiss interpretation. Nice mixture of texture and color.
Anyway, that's just how these passages work. They're different every time out, which is kind of cool. Makes them live a little, I guess.
I thought so, and it makes perfect sense Doug. But personally, I prefer the LPO take on the aleatoric music, just a personal preference really.
To the Swiss?
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Interesting point about the aleatory KK. Based on how that was notated in LOTR, it seems as though Pope used the approach you see in his Williams stuff in addition to Shore's method. There are both the "boxed" notes marked for random repetition that we see in Doug's book and the "repeat pattern ad lib" stuff that you see in, for example, the dementor material from POA. It might not seem like a big difference, but it sounds different. I heard little, if any, of the trademark Shore aleatory in this score. I wonder if that was by design, or if this will be the one actual Pope-effect.
Shore notated DOS' aleatoric music exactly as he has in the past -- with his "manifesto." I think it's just a case of different performers interpreting it differently.
Every orchestra I've heard play the LOTR scores has had its own unique take on the aleatoric passages as well. I love what the LPO does with them, but frankly, I prefer the Swiss interpretation. Nice mixture of texture and color.
Anyway, that's just how these passages work. They're different every time out, which is kind of cool. Makes them live a little, I guess.
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Does Doug give names to Smaug's two themes, or the new rhythm accompaniment?
Does it mention Alfrid having his own theme?
Smaug's two melodic lines don't serve separate purposes, per se. The point is that he toys with his prey--it's all mind games and might with the dragon!--so the melodic line sort of plays over itself in retrogrades/inversions (they're both the same in this case) and throws you off your footing.
While the lines can stand on their own, they're essentially two renderings of the same material. There's definitely nothing "seductive" about Smaug. He's a manipulator, not a seducer.
As for Alfrid, the "Politicians" theme covers him, too. But he's rarely far from the Master anyway.
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Doug's notes refer to a theme for Legolas as well. I have to say I have not been able to spot it properly in the midst of all this Woodland Realm material yet. Unless it is the music that connects with more militaristic readings and with his exploits in RotK, the swashbuckling material when he topples that Mûmak single handedly.
Legolas' theme is the uptempo version of Woodland Realm where the Phrygian melodic line is played over major harmonies!
Glad you're enjoying the notes, thanks!
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BTW, am I right that the music that opens My Dear Frodo (playing under the studio logos) is a variant of the Durin theme?
No the AUJ titles are not related, I'm afraid.
So you're really saying this similarity is not intentional? Seems kind of striking to me.
Looking forward to the liner notes, apart from specialty label releases it's rare to get that level of insight delivered right with the music
Thank you!
Actually, I guess what I'm saying is what I always say: I'll address this subject later down the line, likely, but right now I'm holding my tongue.
Let the mockery commence!
Howard Shore's The Battle of the Five Armies (Hobbit Part 3)
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