TheUlyssesian

I mean ... what you are saying here is... you don't fancy this theme. Or don't find it particularly compelling or memorable. I don't blame you! It's fine.

It is a difference of finances and contracting and logistics and rights and money - the end outcome for the movie and for the viewer is not substantially different.

Franchise returnees have an upper hand in billing - contractually speaking.

I think X-Men is beneath Williams to be honest. He shouldn't be scoring a run of the mill trash superhero blockbuster. X-Men is not terrible but come on, it did not need a Williams score.

A solo instrument is playing the main theme - how can you miss it?! Though sacrilegious thought incoming: The theme in the film proper didn't do much for me. I thought by contrast Irina's theme in KOTCS in the film proper was hugely impactful and of terrific value.

This.

I didn’t have a choice!

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Which is the documentary where I can see where they say they couldn't cut down JW.

Here you go. About Mutt

If you want to know, here's a spoiler -

What does everyone think of the mix. This isn't how you are going to hear it in the cinema but I'd say it's representative. You are generally able to hear the score and even make out instruments.

I hope people don't mind my answer. But 100% KOTCS. I think that's a fantastic score. Has great presence in the film too. Maybe my reaction is colored by my response to the film. Because I think KOTCS is a significantly better film because Mangold is not Spielberg. I feel I'm approaching them very differently. With those I was able to experience the album and film in quick succession - with the score first in several cases. Here I've seen the film 6 weeks before release and the album isn't in sight. So there's no ability to double check what I heard, what I liked etc. I'd say you could compare it to ep 9 if you wanted in scope and assignment etc. Ep 7 is clearly more significant because he was debuting so much new thematic material and launching themes that had to carry on for multiple films. Here it is very much a standalone score. I think there might a few heartwarming type takes on the theme in there. But don't expect a whole lot. The film is very busy and has no downtime once the plot gets going - this may or may not be a positive in your book. 😀

I could be (and am likely wrong) but it seemed to be similar to the concert version that debuted earlier.

The prolog is 20-25 mins and has two big action sequences and introduces several of the main villainous and MacGuffin themes. And there are already some big major statements of Indy's theme.

In my first viewing - admittedly in poor conditions - I was not able to notice one. Given the nature of the film, it wouldn't surprise me if there is one. Honestly, nothing one the level of those things. The first 2 were extremely dramatic moments, so you'd remember the moments themselves and the music would also be ingrained in your mind. Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny doesn't have any comparable dramatic moments. I can't think of a particular musical moment that made me go "I wish that is on the album". Maybe the map transition scene? I remember that making an impression on me. Hmm... so the climatic sequence is notable...

This is my review! Sorry folks I was monstrously busy, I am back now and will try to go through the thread and respond to posts directed at me. (Unsolicited TMI: I was travelling after Cannes and then moving to a new house and then catching up on my day job).

Did notice any source music. As I noted I think most of the score is new. Indy theme is played of course multiple times.

One old returns for sure - . For the others couldn't detect any other returning themes.

1. I think the vibe seemed to me to be maybe Tintin-ish and maybe even Star Wars prequel-y, in the sense it is a very busy scoring style I think. The music often lurches and pirouettes to reflect the action on screen. The raiders march does sound good. It is played at length a couple of times in the film proper. 2. Maybe a mix depending upon the set piece. THe rickshaw set piece that you've seen in the trailers should have sounded more fun but sounds a bit serious like. I could definitely hear some Tintin in there I thought. 3. There is one of those famous map transition scenes where the music plays without almost any FX. 4. Hmm. It's a Williams score. So of course I like it. I want to listen to it on album. Frankly I am more interested to hear all the villain stuff again than Helena's stuff. I think the villain themes are good.

Okay quick thoughts since I know you guys are waiting End credits order is Indy fanfare for the main credits (that appear one at a time) Maybe 2-2.5 mins Helena's theme begins when the scrolling portion starts. Full suite played. Following that - seemed to be like another suite, going through as many as 4-5 themes. Most of these are sinisite / villain or macguffin themes. I think there are 2-3 villain themes and 2-3 macguffin themes. This is where the credits end, the Indy fanfare is not reprised after the villain suite. (This could be a film cue too). Some other thoughts Honest to god, score is mixed well. None of should be able to complain. I could hear it throughout, but was I paying attention to it all the time? That's a different question. Guys, I am at Cannes and let me tell you this is a very tough place to watch movies. You are always exhausted and can't always focus. Helena's theme in the score proper is frankly okay. It kinda even sounds different than the suite. There are several villainous themes as I noted above, they are good. I couldn't detect a direct Dial theme - it has some motifs for sure but I dunno if I might call it a direct theme. But then again, my mind is half shot at this point. I think there are some straight lifts from Tintin. I think the Tintin End Credits piece is ripped off for one of the set pieces. Almost note for note. B part of Indy's theme is also used. If you have any questions, I can try to answer. But I'm in screenings all day long and don't really have much of a chance to check my phone. Edit: orchestration and conducting is credited to Williams and Ross.

I'm seeing this in an hour! I'll report back on the score!

This is not the case. She owns the IP, period. She's going to make money out of this. Love or hate her - HP Is entirely 100% her creation. So she wants creative control. Exec Producer basically mean you get to give opinions and notes and input. It may or may not be followed - but you have influence to chance the direction of the project. So of course she's gonna have that role. It is her creation afterall.

it was both shaky cam, bad lighting, and editing. Like I say in the cinema starting at the screen for that entire 5 minute sequence wondering when on earth it would stop. it was comparable to Quantum of solace opening car chase in How terrible it was.

agreed it looked bad. The car chase for the life of me I couldn’t make out what was going on. Terribly shot.