TheUlyssesian

Hook Part 1 podcast is up, featuring Mike Matessino, @TownerFan, and @mahler3
 
NEW PODCAST EPISODE! RETURN TO NEVERLAND: 'HOOK - THE ULTIMATE EDITION' PODCAST SPECIAL (Part 1) The Legacy of John Williams presents a multi-part podcast special dedicated to HOOK – THE ULTIMATE EDITION, a 3-CD set of John Williams’ magnificent score for the 1991 film directed by Steven Spielberg, now available from La-La Land Records. In Part One, soundtrack producer Mike Matessino sits down to talk about the genesis of Steven Spielberg’s 1991 fantasy epic, its place within the director’s filmography and the long history of how HOOK almost became a musical, while also addressing how it sits in the canon of the Steven Spielberg/John Williams collaboration; Matessino also talks about his friendship with lyricist Leslie Bricusse, the years-in-the-making process of assembling and producing the new set and his own personal journey to bring it to life with the utmost level of care and detail that such music always deserved. LISTEN tinyurl.com/23xppnvk Available on all major podcasting platforms.   https://www.facebook.com/thelegacyofjohnwilliams/posts/pfbid0e7oxKkcoyY7smUU5FfCFWi4Vdq53caF8vXKTofGAcdvikWMf1idWrTu5kqhzyrV8l

The preservationist in me was squeamish at seeing the sheets just stacked in boxes and held together with clips...
 
I'd put them individually in mylar with a sheet of MicroChamber Interleaving Paper!

It's between the War Horse trailer and the Lincoln trailer.  Both were peak "JW score anticipation" events

I think it's been established the orchestrator doesn't really matter much in Williams case.
 
I think the Superman re-recording album was made from his hand written sketches alone so they're pretty much complete already

Or maybe there was disagreement about budget and timing and Shore couldn't agree to that. Writing 8 hours of music is a HUGE undertaking. I think Shore might have demanded much more time and a bigger budget and compensation for his services. TV schedule is too pushing for a composer of Shore's stature. 
 
Also think about it - this would have been an impossible gig for Shore. Imagine hiring John Williams to write 8 hours of new Star Wars music and tell him - you can't use a note of anything you wrote previously because we don't have the rights. That's putting him in a straight jacket. 
 
Shore would have to constantly watch out for falling into old modes as is bound to happen when you are returning to the same property. 
 
I mean 8 hours of new middle earth music from Shore would have been God's gift. but I ain't about to scoff at the score Bear wrote - I think he did a great job still. And we did get a great main title from Shore.
 

Or maybe there was disagreement about budget and timing and Shore couldn't agree to that. Writing 8 hours of music is a HUGE undertaking. I think Shore might have demanded much more time and a bigger budget and compensation for his services. TV schedule is too pushing for a composer of Shore's stature. 
 
Also think about it - this would have been an impossible gig for Shore. Imagine hiring John Williams to write 8 hours of new Star Wars music and tell him - you can't use a note of anything you wrote previously because we don't have the rights. That's putting him in a straight jacket. 
 
Shore would have to constantly watch out for falling into old modes as is bound to happen when you are returning to the same property. 
 
I mean 8 hours of new middle earth music from Shore would have been God's gift. but I ain't about to scoff at the score Bear wrote - I think he did a great job still. And we did get a great main title from Shore.
 

Or maybe there was disagreement about budget and timing and Shore couldn't agree to that. Writing 8 hours of music is a HUGE undertaking. I think Shore might have demanded much more time and a bigger budget and compensation for his services. TV schedule is too pushing for a composer of Shore's stature. 
 
Also think about it - this would have been an impossible gig for Shore. Imagine hiring John Williams to write 8 hours of new Star Wars music and tell him - you can't use a note of anything you wrote previously because we don't have the rights. That's putting him in a straight jacket. 
 
Shore would have to constantly watch out for falling into old modes as is bound to happen when you are returning to the same property. 
 
I mean 8 hours of new middle earth music from Shore would have been God's gift. but I ain't about to scoff at the score Bear wrote - I think he did a great job still. And we did get a great main title from Shore.
 

Frankly, at least on the OST, I prefer the Shore track to anything else by a good margin.  But I do think that this is career-best stuff from McCreary.

Honestly i find myself playing it often. I think it is a tremendous piece of writing, very refined and masterful - and that in just 90 seconds.

Honestly i find myself playing it often. I think it is a tremendous piece of writing, very refined and masterful - and that in just 90 seconds.

Honestly i find myself playing it often. I think it is a tremendous piece of writing, very refined and masterful - and that in just 90 seconds.

I love Double Life of Veronique. Immense impact in the film and very memorable.

I love Double Life of Veronique. Immense impact in the film and very memorable.

He again only and ONLY calls it the love theme - repeatedly - and does not mention House Atredies at all.

Thanks. Honestly, it is sufficient for me to conclude that it is a love theme for Paul and Chani. And has nothing to do with the House Atridies. I understand the reference but it is oblique at best. 
 
I think we can use this as an explanation. 
 
Stephane Humez of RCP said - "
He's not necessarily lying. Keep in mind Dune 1 was finished late 2020. The film came out late 2021. Hans continued writing after Dune 1 was locked. The Sketchbook released in 2021 had ideas for both movies, with some segments probably written after Dune 1 was already finished."
Source: https://hans-zimmer.com/discography/1/project/3591
 
What he is saying is indeed true. If you remember Dune was in fact completed and ready to go in 2020 but was pushed by a year. So Zimmer has finished the score for part 1 a year before the album came out. So it is possible he kept writing and included some of his new material in the Sketchbook. 
 
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We have to go by eventually what we see in the movies. In the movies, the love theme represents the love theme only. The director who cut the movie and stuck the score in there says it is a love theme - 
 
Denis Villeneuve said: "I wanted Hans to write something unforgettable for Chani. A love theme, the love of Paul for Chani. I wanted something heartbreaking, and the most beautiful love theme ever written, and honestly I think he did it with the track A Time of Quiet Between the Storms."
 
Literally neither the director or the guy who wrote the score are not calling it a Atredies theme. Jon Burlingame asks him to explain the theme and Zimmer doesn't say it is an Atredies theme.
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The other reason is - there is already a kind of Atredies theme! It is the Caladan theme. Again going by the movie - it plays at prominent points where there is a strong sense of the Atredies as a unit. It plays at the climax of the movie to represent that and when Paul meets another family member (vague due to spoilers).
 
So I think that the Caladan theme represents the Atredies and the love theme represents Paul and Chani's relationship. 

So Goranson has already 2 oscars?...
 
At this rate he will surpass Williams in a decade or two...
 

why was there dancing during that? i thought it was ridiculous.

Not to mention PT

WHO'S READY FOR JOHNNY TO TAKE HOME NUMBER 6 TONIGHT!?!?!??!?!?!?
 
@TheUlyssesian  why we crying, bud?
 
THERE IS HOPE!

Thanks. Honestly, it is sufficient for me to conclude that it is a love theme for Paul and Chani. And has nothing to do with the House Atridies. I understand the reference but it is oblique at best. 
 
I think we can use this as an explanation. 
 
Stephane Humez of RCP said - "
He's not necessarily lying. Keep in mind Dune 1 was finished late 2020. The film came out late 2021. Hans continued writing after Dune 1 was locked. The Sketchbook released in 2021 had ideas for both movies, with some segments probably written after Dune 1 was already finished."
Source: https://hans-zimmer.com/discography/1/project/3591
 
What he is saying is indeed true. If you remember Dune was in fact completed and ready to go in 2020 but was pushed by a year. So Zimmer has finished the score for part 1 a year before the album came out. So it is possible he kept writing and included some of his new material in the Sketchbook. 
 
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We have to go by eventually what we see in the movies. In the movies, the love theme represents the love theme only. The director who cut the movie and stuck the score in there says it is a love theme - 
 
Denis Villeneuve said: "I wanted Hans to write something unforgettable for Chani. A love theme, the love of Paul for Chani. I wanted something heartbreaking, and the most beautiful love theme ever written, and honestly I think he did it with the track A Time of Quiet Between the Storms."
 
Literally neither the director or the guy who wrote the score are not calling it a Atredies theme. Jon Burlingame asks him to explain the theme and Zimmer doesn't say it is an Atredies theme.
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The other reason is - there is already a kind of Atredies theme! It is the Caladan theme. Again going by the movie - it plays at prominent points where there is a strong sense of the Atredies as a unit. It plays at the climax of the movie to represent that and when Paul meets another family member (vague due to spoilers).
 
So I think that the Caladan theme represents the Atredies and the love theme represents Paul and Chani's relationship. 

Straight from the horse's mouth. When asked what does that theme represent, he says it's the love theme for Chani and Paul. He said nothing about House Atriedies.

This is one of the most clueless things you can say - unless you wrote the score. You KNOW you are correct??? 
 
Everybody here is participating in a discussion - offering examples and explanations for their interpretations. Nobody is making proclamations that they their view is the only valid view. That would be a conceited and ridiculous way to go about things.

Zimmer has said he wrote it after the score was done or something like that. He specifically said he wrote the theme for the second film at the end of completing the score for part 1 and included it on the album.
 
Consequently, the love theme does not appear in Part 1, was not meant to appear in Part 1 and is NOT a house atridies theme.  The theme has no connection to house atridies.
 
 

Straight from the horse's mouth. When asked what does that theme represent, he says it's the love theme for Chani and Paul. He said nothing about House Atriedies.

What a smart erudite man - even at this age.