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  1. Not sure if anyone has posted this before, if so, sorry for the repost but I thought he played it beautifully on the Cello.
  2. OK so here's the same clip slightly extended with the next bit. I should probably explain this is Prince Igor having got to Baba Yaga's "lair" or "forest" starts thinking about his Warrior bride that has been kidnapped by Koschei. That's the big theme, then the next bit is him plucking up his resolve to face Baba Yaga in order to pass her tests for her to then agree to help him defeat Koschei. The section right after this is us hearing her call pulling him closer and closer to her and making him face her. Baba_Yaga_Love_theme_and_Resolve_clip.mp4
  3. I'm not entirely sure, it was supposed to be debuted last month in Moscow but when I handed them the recording and they realized that it was for a 90 piece orchestra they scrapped the small opening and decided it needed to be a major concert, or so I am told. I have one conductor who wants to premiere it at one of the festivals in Russia, so it's up in the air (it was a commission for Russia) I already have 2 other orchestras in other countries who want to play it but no one is allowed to until the world premiere is done. We Shall See....... I can add the little bit that comes right after that. Let me go check the video. Thank you so much x I love what I do but never been great at putting it out there tbh except for people I know well like my family, close friends and people here like @Stefancos (he gets to hear things in progress and the whole recordings once they are done) He often tells me how crap everything is lol
  4. OK so here goes.... Here's a one minute's slow section of an 11 minute piece I just wrote, orchestrated and recorded in Nov. The world premiere is supposed to happen later this year but I think it's OK if I post a minutes worth of it!? At least I think it is..... Allan Wilson conducting the Qatar Philharmonic Orchestra for this recording at the Katara Opera House in Doha. Edit: there is a slightly longer version a few posts down Baba Yaga Love theme clip.mp4
  5. Oh I disagree. I think this is way better than TFA. I do prefer Rey's Theme to Rise of Skywalker theme, but the cues here? the underscore here is superb and the orchestrations are way more lush plus harmonically it has more impact. Where do you hear the bombasticness of this album. I hear a soft somber album with some big moments. There's a lot of lush string writing and then beautifully varied instrumentation and orchestration where in TFA I was missing the woodwinds all the time. I absolutely love the new Evil theme! I think the new Rise of Skywalker works better in lets say the Farewell cue which I love than it does in it's own track. It's weird because as it's own theme I don't quite buy it as Star Wars, more ET? But within the tracks they work better. HOWEVER, I have not seen the film but I imagine I am not going to like this film...... Not if what I am hearing is true about the direction JJ takes. I want to be taken for a ride that I didn't think was gonna happen and by all accounts it's more paint by numbers? Will have to see. Back to Rey's theme: I love how he takes it in different directions in this score. My favorite score I think is TLJ in the ST. But there are moments here that rival that easily. HOWEVER, as much as I do not like the prequels, I don't think any of the scores here rival the writing in those, IMO. Those were incredible scores, especially TPM. Lord I love that score with the exception of Jar Jar's theme. That was bombastic. The action cues in there were incredible. As for nothing new. Stefan, this is the 9th score in a series. We already have so many themes. I would have been more than OK for him not to have written a new one. Just to score. Use the themes that are appropriate, and score. I think, I could be wrong, but based on the last couple of tracks beforehand, that he had written so many different themes for it and then got told which ones to use. It sounds like that to me. But yeah, to me it's not the best track on there.
  6. BFG and ET is what I got at first but then I remembered his softers 80's writing for Star wars like Yoda and other tracks and then it gelled more. It's also Christmasy and I think Williams' sign off and thank you to everyone.
  7. There isn't a cue called that, where is it in ROTS? And what time code in the first track? Thanks
  8. OK. In Farewell, is that a bad edit at around 1.22? It's really odd, the theme doesn't end and it sounds like it is missing something in there. What though?!
  9. There's a lot of unreleased and unused music. It could be that he had Duel of the Fates recorded for a section and then they decided not to use it in favor of something new. Please do!
  10. First half of Farewell just ripped my heart to pieces Did it just give something away? I love the writing here so much. This is what I want from Star Wars!!!
  11. Someone hands Williams the proposed JP3 expanded CD
  12. Williams anytime he hears his music being reworked by another composer.... lol
  13. OK saying that Williams didn’t like something is one thing, no one is saying he’s stopping releases or making people not work lol. WTF 😂
  14. LOL watch me Fail! I wouldn’t try to even go there because I don’t measure up to an ounce of what that man can do harmonically I’m happy with what I accomplish myself though!
  15. BTW, Jurassic Park 3 isn't a "rumor" he hated what happened with the treatment of his theme in that. Although I would not imagine that is why Don Davis is not working in the industry. This was ages ago but there was, again I will say allegedly, a letter about why he was not called to help out when it came to his theme/s so it/they were not butchered. It even goes beyond what chord you are using. Lets say I took one of Williams themes and used the right chords. But, my leading tone is then the wrong one when orchestrating and arranging, and I did not space the strings out classically enough but did a more simplified version of it, that could get me fired or talked to because even though for most people, it is the right chords, it is not musical orchestrally...... It goes way deeper..... There is a way of writing for an orchestra that is more organic (when it comes to tonal music) it goes out the window when you do atonal work, but tonal music has to work based on music theory and naturally going from chord to chord based on classical writing. Again he is notorious in the industry as being someone who is very protective over what he writes. Some people call that a Diva, I do not. I see that as someone who wants to keep his work unadulterated and not put out in such a way that does not represent him.... Although part of me laughs at the notion that each time a trailer comes out with his music done in a pop and electronic way, he screams at the tv ROFL.... Which is why he takes time and writes everything himself and orchestrates pretty much everything. As Conrad Pop said and I quote, and this was to me at lunch at "La Conversation" on Doheney, which unfortunately has shut down this year, so it is not alleged, "with Williams I am a glorified copyist. The orchestrations are all there on the page already." Yeah but again, no one is saying anything that is bad though. Not really, just that Williams does not like others touching his work, this was just the latest example of his displeasure. Hi I'm Vaughan Williams, lol
  16. Why would that be him being a Diva? It's his work. He wouldn't want it represented in a way he does not want it to be. Every artist has that right. Different Studio and most stuff in there is pretty much quoted as is. Not put under different chords that are actual re-orchestrations. Plus he might not have the clout he does with his Star Wars films to say too much. Either way, it's not really different when his stuff comes in. He has no problems with his themes being there, just how they are treated and reimagined. I have never heard of him having any issue with Powell in Solo though. In the end the way Williams writes, there is a rhythm in his themes and they make sense for a reason. There is a cadence that flows. Do too much with it and it loses it's meaning, cut it off too soon and you lose the rhythm. It would be like trying to say a sentence but you leave out words. Also he orchestrates and uses harmonic language that is from the Classical world not Film world or Pop world, so he would probably have issue with that (my assumptions of why here, nothing I have heard, just trying to figure out what it might be). It's not that I do not like Gia, I actually love him in things like Ratatouille and The Incredibles. But when it comes to pure orchestral, I honestly do not think his harmonic language is there. Not in the way a classical composer would write. He hardly modulates. I do not know the RO score well because I don't like it and have not sat down to listen to it all that much after trying to initially but there is a track, it sounds like what Williams would write in one of those marches like the Resistance March. If you notice with Williams when he writes something like that, just like a natural composer he knows when to modulate. Either going to the 5 or just going up a step. He changes the orchestration. Different groups of instruments take the theme, whilst others then take on different counter parts or chords, some then stay silent etc etc. With Gia, he stays on the same tonality pretty much the whole track.... What? You've bored the orchestra playing your music and bored me to death..... Sorry, again, I love him in his other more jazz, big band, alternative scores and he MODULATES with those. Also in Jurassic World, there is a track where the kids are in that round bubble vehicle. He has woodwinds bubbling up with these scales that have nothing to do with the tonality of the piece. I'm like, did you just choose random notes or is this just going over my head, because I know what it "should" be there, but there is no rhyme or reason in what I am hearing. Again, music is subjective and someone else might love that randomness, but to me, it makes no sense classically or musically. These are just a couple of examples off my head.
  17. That's it. It's all about Daisy! lol That's definitely not it, come on!
  18. Honestly cannot tell you, I just know he was "supposed" to be involved then after, no involvement.
  19. And why did they not work together when they were supposed to after the fact when it came to Galaxy's Edge. Correct me if I am wrong but did that not come to a screeching halt right after the fact? As for Kiner, it is TV with tons of episodes, years of quick tv writing schedules. His themes can to be used contractually and are, and Williams can't be on that schedule would be my response. Williams is anything but a fast writer. He is slow and deliberate. With a movie, he can step in to do those few cues if need be or have the person just do his own thing. His statement was not to have Gia not do Star Wars, but to keep him away from certain themes of his. But again, I am just telling you what I know from what I have heard. If you notice with Powell, he wrote the theme and had stuff to do, as Powell said, he had done more and you can't tell where he is and isn't. Edit: To your argument, I did once, ages ago also hear that Williams did step in on some stuff in Rogue One, but never heard any more of that, but I can't for the life of me hear Williams there....
  20. It's funny because it's not about him being fake. He is polite, outwardly, even to the point of saying in many interviews "Oh, it's amazing what composers can do with computers nowadays, I can't do it" when he actually cannot stand the way music has been oversimplified and taken to it's lowest pop sounding chords with no form or function. He just says things in private Unfortunately this part with RO had leaked in LA and went round people and then it's now more in the open. It hasn't;t even grown, he didn't say anything more than he did. It's not case of Chinese whispers where the story grew and grew. The same thing that was said at first is said now. But yes, he is extremely precious about anything he writes. He hates anyone playing with it, because then again, the chords can be changed to something he does not like. I can understand that as a composer. I just recorded two pieces as you know and have heard. The first oboe player, who is a friend, facebook messaged me to ask if he can take one part I wrote for him in the third register, admittedly high, down the octave since the flutes have it up there, and even with that where it is tutti, I was like, No, the second oboe and the clarinets have it down there, I want you up there for a reason, practice it! lol Any artist, be it in any medium can be precious when it comes to their own things. Another story from last year. I heard an orchestra in Poland was going to play my piece Earth, yet they had not hired it from me. I found out that they got people to transcribe it. 1. FUCK NO, and 2. FUCK NO, for two f=different reasons. One, it's my work, you play the exact notes I have written, so you hire the score and parts from me, and two, PAY ME! lol I'm 100% with you there. Again, I am quoting what I know from sources I work with and trust. We can all believe what we choose to believe And you might be right. Maybe it was all made up from the start
  21. What are you so angry about? I'm telling you what I heard in LA seeing as I also work in the industry (lord it upsets some people when I say that but oh well) I said Allegedly because I did not hear it obviously from the horses mouth (Williams) I'm just relaying what was said from reliable sources who have no interest in either party in any other way. Is it too unfathomable that Williams did not like the score. It's not exactly that musical in many ways. The guy can hardly modulate..... Please, lol..... Plus Williams is notorious to be very difficult about his own music to the point of being overly precious, he's not as "nice" as people make him out to be when it comes to his own stuff. Many have said that in the past which is why in most sequels you hear his music as is when it is possible, It is hardly every re-orchestrated. If it is, he would prefer to be involved and make sure it puts his in the best light. The Vader part of RO in the end was dreadful musically, I would not be surprised if that is what some of the complaint was about, but that is completely my own thought. I did not hear what parts he did not like, just that he had gone to Kennedy about it.
  22. It's not that Williams has any opinion or cares about Gia's own work, he hated what he did to HIS themes. Does not want him anywhere near his themes again, is what I heard from a few people in LA, and allegedly he said that to Kennedy. As for Solo. Love the score!
  23. This is so frustrating. I really want to watch this show but cannot get past the awful music. Can someone please re-edit the short episodes with some other music?!?!?!?! lol
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