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THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story
ocelot replied to Obi's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Kennedy could easily have done that with any composer out there. Composers are work for hire, be it for a whole film or theme. I do believe Williams wanted to do this himself. If you think, he has a theme (or at least a motif) for Luke, Leia, Yoda, Rey, Poe, Vader, Kylo etc etc, but no theme for Han. Now he gets to have the main characters covered for his oeuvre. -
THE ADVENTURES OF HAN - 2018 John Williams theme for Solo: A Star Wars Story
ocelot replied to Obi's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Williams was supposed to only write a few themes but ended up writing the whole new score material and Bill Ross adapted material from Sorcerer's Stone to put into other sections. This whole ongoing notion that Bill Ross is secretly writing for John is pure horse crap, lol. Williams love to use him on conducting assignments now because of his ongoing back troubles etc. -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
No promises but I'm back in LA and am trying to get a copy of the FYC CD (if there is one). It's probably a long shot but I have a few connections to try. However, in a world of digital markets, do you think maybe they just did it online this time? -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
He was just channelling that Kern/Porter sound, it's not any actual tune. So I just did a 45 min chest and back workout at the gym and ummm, thanks, I just had this on repeat for the whole workout. I think it made a huge difference, HOWEVER, I think everyone in the gym thinks I'm nuts now.... -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - Score as heard in the movie thread - SPOILERS ALLOWED
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
So you prefer one note being banged on endlessly and ad nauseum to actual virtuosic orchestral writing and playing. Well, they do say music is subjective, lol -
Is The Last Jedi the new holy grail of expanded Williams scores?
ocelot replied to King Mark's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
There's already a few places in the film that I want the score for (one being Rey in the pod going to Kylo), but that's always the case with so many of the movies he scores. I hope they are on the FYC, if there is one. Incidentally, has anyone put together a much longer well edited TFA or is that bad to ask about?! Agreed on HP 3, one of my favorite scores. Same with TinTin, TFA and yup, probably this one in the mix. I love his adventure scoring, especially his action sequences. I didn't vote because I think anything not there in most of his scores is worth having, so it sort of makes it neutral in a way. Ignoring, honestly, I have now found to be the best policy, but I can understand the annoyance when your sitting there and there's a buzzing gnat that won't get away from your ears, at some point you want to smack it.... -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Mother always told me. "Just let people stew in their own juices. If you let their mood affect yours, then you're at fault. Your day is valuable, go enjoy it." or in other words What would Meryl Streep do? -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - Score as heard in the movie thread - SPOILERS ALLOWED
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
I’m sorry but I can’t resist lol just a joke and an observation. Love you all deeply madly and non organically 1081B65C-ADDF-4C98-8050-B1D0E4A9B912.MP4 Wait, WTF, why do people have to download it?! It's supposed to just be there..... Ugh, I'm too old for computers!!! -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - Score as heard in the movie thread - SPOILERS ALLOWED
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Rain Rain, go away, come again another day! -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - Score as heard in the movie thread - SPOILERS ALLOWED
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
well first of all, you have some knowledge of music. You at least name the sections of the orchestra, you should hear how others put it, lol. Yes they have some sort of similarity in use, but he does it with the whole orchestra as well in other scores. He's always done it to some degree and I love how he always does it a little differently... Yup Yup, that's when she actually flies the ship into the Destroyer to defend them Also JJ or someone decided to try and hide the woodwind writing, which annoyed me. It's in the score! Why can't I hear it like I'm supposed to?! -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Not by the way those two were sparring and acting towards each other in Empire, lol "You're Worshipfulness!!!" But that's what you did too...... Yours are set pieces, lol, that's my point! -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
I'm talking themes and motifs, there are 5 I believe in TLJ. if you are counting pieces for areas and concert pieces, then you have to count canto bite, Fathiers, and other stand out moments in TLJ. I don't even recall the second love theme in Attack of the clones. Just ATS. Anakin's Lament is not a theme, it's more a concert piece. Or does that theme happen in different parts of the film? Themes and Motif's are things you can use all over the film and the next films, not great moments of music used once. -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Not true! He's wrong when he eluding that there is less new material here than other Star Wars scores. episodes 2 and 3 had less new thematic material. Now as you said in the next post, Episode 1 is head over heels brimming with new material and ideas. Hell yes, to me its the best score by far, I'll give you that. -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
I absolutely LOVE this score on so many levels. It perfectly highlights every scene of the movie and honestly, how many new themes do we really need? Think about it. I love that he used so many themes from previous movies because this is a continuation of those characters and situations. I don't need any more new themes unless it really calls for them. As for "Austin Wintery Autumnface", what's he talking about? How many new themes are in Episodes 2 and 3? If a character requires a theme or motif and the director asks for it and Williams thinks it calls for one, he'll write one. Since when can he not write a theme? We got at least 5 new ideas here didn't we? -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - Score as heard in the movie thread - SPOILERS ALLOWED
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Also nobody seems to be associating the shift in tone and Vader's theme and associating it with Luke in the sense that Luke is Vader's son. I thought it was brilliant. Take those three notes, normalize them so they aren't in the same harmonic language totally and you have Vader's Offspring going up to the challenge. I love Admiral Holdo's Theme/Motif!!!! OMG that's not a rip off of the quidditch material, that's just triplet string writing with the whole section playing in octaves that many composers use. It started with Prokofiev, ugh, I'm trying to remember the name of the piece. But anyway, it's just a form of action writing. As long as you aren't copying the same exact notes bar in and bar out. -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - Score as heard in the movie thread - SPOILERS ALLOWED
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
They didn't meet in the film but they did meet in the book of TFA. Also Holdo and Leia were friends from childhood and there's a ton of them in the newest Leia book which is set before A New Hope. They didn't bother me in the film and I loved the use of Tie Fighter Attack during the Crait chase as they were being attacked by Tie Fighters. As for the unreleased music, I LOVED that music with that triplet trumpet line as her pod was descending!!! -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - Score as heard in the movie thread - SPOILERS ALLOWED
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
It's Holdo's Theme/Motif, Love it! I think it's in the end titles Williams. He always orchestrates his own music, the orchestrators are copying everything he already orchestrated. He's pretty thorough and a control freak with his orchestrations. TFA and TLJ and all his newer film score went straight from him to Joann Kane and the guys and girls there copied everything out into score form. -
I was gonna say the exact same thing! That's the least interesting track to have the score to!
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The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Thank you, had no idea. -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Didn't Williams write things before seeing the film? I remember seeing somewhere that Rian wanted to edit the film TO the music. So many things must have been written first. Maybe that is why some of the action music seems choppy in terms of rhythm to some of you. IE: Williams didn't address the tempo changes but wrote pieces and they were edited later or scenes written around them and edited to them and music then also edited to fit different scenes in that fight. OMG, I think I just confused myself. You know what I mean! I am going to see the The Last Jedi tonight. Spent yesterday and today watching Rogue One through to The Force Awakens. Lord that Rogue One score goes nowhere real fast. Mind you he (Gia) hardly had time to write but he seriously has no clue how to modulate, some great ideas, but they sort of just plonk onto the ground with a thud, Dear Lord, and there was a tie fighter attack moment where he could have used TIE FIGHTER ATTACK, gggrrrrrr. Sometimes I do not know why composers who follow Williams do not use every theme and motif he wrote for that certain franchise. It's right there for you, lol. Some lovely slow musical moments that really highlight the emotion though, I'll give him that. OK, back on topic, rant over.... -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
He might write a new concert arrangement or has done so already by now, or he just does the rebellion is reborn. -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Are you totally insane?! You want a samples and synth drum score? In Star Wars? -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
haha, I'm f***ing gorgeous!!! -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
Haha, well, I always know nothing, but on this I know, any trailer is done way after scores of movies are in the can, well generally, unless a composer is fired and people are scrambling to finish shit last minute. -
The Last Jedi THE LAST JEDI - OST Album MUSIC Discussion (No Movie Spoilers)
ocelot replied to Jay's topic in JOHN WILLIAMS
And again..... WOODWINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
