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2 hours ago, bollemanneke said:When can we expect to know more about a Hal Leonard suite? Is there an established timeframe for these publications?
Depends if the existing material already has the piece/s or if Williams is rewriting things into a suite. Plus, after they have it, they take time to go through every note to make sure there are no slip ups and for some odd reason they told me that takes a ton of time. I called them once as they were on the cusp of releasing the score to that centennial thing Williams and Spielberg did (forgot the name) and they said they put that on hold to rush out one of his film ones. So depends on demand as well.
Just now, filmmusic said:Well, if I don't like it they will come after me!
Ok, seriously now:
I love too Williams, that's why I am here, and I'd like to love every score of his.
But yes, I don't think I'll chage my mind about TLJ. As I didn't about TFA.
But at least you have his previous 6 Star Wars to like. I think my favorite score is TPM. Love his writing in that. But I am loving this new trilogy as well. I love that he keeps growing and changing, but when someone changes their style or it grows with the person, because music is subjective, it can't appeal to everyone. Anyway, good luck on your dissertation.
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7 hours ago, filmmusic said:
To tell you the truth, I'm trying to like it.
So this is one more reason to be in this thread and discuss it, in case I'm convinced.
Who says you have to like every score from every composer. You have a right not to like this score. One of my favorite composers is Maurice Ravel and I personally can not listen to Bolero. Now Daphnis or La Valse and many others, Yes Please!!!!! Same can be said for R. Strauss, Rachmaninoff, Puccini, Steiner, Waxman, Raksin, Walton, Korngold, Barber, Stravinsky, Williams and many others
2 hours ago, pete said:I think it's safe to assume Kennedy and Abrams want Williams on board. It will just come down to his health as I'm sure he's keen to finish the trilogy.
Hey, he's still firmly in his 80s
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8 hours ago, king mark said:
lol, you didn' t illegally download it 2 days ago
No but I did wait up till 4 am to get it as soon as it dropped, lay in bed, put my hands behind my head, took in the first track and then fell asleep because i was so tired, lol
7 hours ago, filmmusic said:?
The Asteroid Filed and Han Solo & The Princess are in the ost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Empire_Strikes_Back_(soundtrack)
or maybe they're not the concert versions? I'm not familiar with the ost. Anyway
Yes he frequently changes things afterwards to come up with concert arrangements if he has not done so beforehand.
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Finally iTunes!!!!!
Listening to the first track and all I can say is.... FINALLY, My Woodwinds are back in full force! I missed you!!!!!!!
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22 minutes ago, gkgyver said:
But it goes against the idea that many here have, that Williams' new SW scores are, what was it, "music in the sense of Wagnerian Leitmotiv".
If that was truly the case, a composer with the chops of John Williams could come up with a piece of music for these things, instead of just using a theme that doesn't make sense.
He had written a bunch of things, but remember, it's not up to Williams. The director has the final decision as to what music goes where.
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34 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:
I wasn't referring to his music - I just found the guy extremely annoying.
What do you mean by Rey's theme being a feminine interpretation chord wise of the Force theme?
Listen to the landing. The last chord of the first line of both, and the chord that precedes it and starts the theme. Lets for an example start with D minor, both land on G Major. In The Force theme it hits it more strongly or more Masculine with the tune landing on the tonic (G), of the G major chord. In Rey's theme, the tune has a slightly more gentler landing in the G chord by landing on D, the 5th. It just hit me the first time I heard it. I hadn't seen the film yet. I heard that, went "What?!" went to the piano and said "F***er just gave us a female force user in the theme"
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4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:
What an idiot.
Nah, it's cute man. Why not use themes from John Williams and have fun and do your own thing with it. To me it's the ultimate compliment and it made me laugh, love it, hahaha
At least he's starting with samples from Williams rather than some other hip hop/rap thing. He's having fun
3 hours ago, Denise Bryson said:Harry Potter was the first thing I thought of when I first heard Ray's theme.
First time I hear Rey's theme, I pickup the phone to another Star Wars geek and said, mark my words, this is the force user not Finn. This is his feminine interpretation of the Force Theme musically (chord wise). It didn't make me think of Potter, but it did make me think of Dvorak New World Symphony.
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9 hours ago, king mark said:
The recurring themes from TFA are all better than they actually were in TFA
To sum it up, this was my most exciting first listen of a JW score since Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
That's the King Mark I've been waiting to hear since I came back!
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On 12/12/2017 at 11:13 PM, Hedwig said:@Joe Brausam is this one of the moments you mentioned before where you thought it was as close as Williams has got to modern action scoring? Wondering if you thought it worked or you didn't like it... So interesting to see how Williams adapts his style for modern cinema!
It scares me when you ask that and I hesitate with modern action scoring because most of it tends to be banal and easy as pop music to write, where with Williams, and adventure classical scoring, I love the intricacy of that type of scoring because that orchestral way, for me, is the pinnacle of writing. So many modern action music tends to just be repeated notes ad nauseam, however I am sure he wouldn't do that and he would still be a master composer and orchestrator with it no matter what. We Shall See!!!!!
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Choirs it is! Going once, going twice...
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29 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:
I don't see you talking about Verizon's Death Star 360 Promo music either.
Wait isn't this the Porg vs Pork thread?
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OMG Enough Desplat talk on this thread, some love him, some hate him, and some think Porgs should be a basic food group... And back to the issue at hand...
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17 hours ago, Saxman717 said:
OK, whew -- thank you foe clarifying! Now, if Force Ghost Yoda DOES end up being in TLJ, I will be coming for you!!!
16 hours ago, king mark said:whew..I thought there was ghost Yoda
Who am I to go to the premiere or prep screening. I haven't even booked my ticket to a showing yet, lol
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Just now, Saxman717 said:
Nice subtle spoilers there, sheesh.............................................."If"......................................................................................................................................
I haven't seen it, how would I know.... I was just thinking off the top of my head about possible OT themes, lol, trying to get him to be happier while he waits.
1 minute ago, Joe Brausam said:Wow..
If that was for me, again, I have not seen the film, I'm just thinking of possible OT themes and how they could be used....
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Hehe, except for the first one I just did not click any other spoilers. That's surprising. For once I'm happy to just get the cd or get to the film, whichever comes first.
7 hours ago, someonefun124 said:I don't like the sound of recycled OT material.
Seriously it's a few days. Trust me, you'll love the score. Recycled OT means they used the themes, which he has to. Luke is there Leia is there, if they are together, Luke and Leia's theme is used. If there is a force ghost of Yoda, his theme will be used. Force theme, Rebel Fanfare etc etc... It's part of the same universe so of course he will be using these themes or it wouldn't make sense. Relax, go, and enjoy!
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1 minute ago, filmmusic said:Well, sometimes I think it's nice to recognise (either by a nomination or an award) people who excel themselves, than give the award to another Meryl Streep role!
Awards are public relations anyway...
Nomination I can understand if there was no one better to nominate, but from what I remember there were so many more worthy nominations that year that I don't believe she was nominated in any other awards show for acting, be it Oscar, Bafta,screen actors guild award or anything. Also saying give another award to Streep, well, Streep doesn't actually have that many Oscars, she's been nominated so many times like Williams and rightly so. However if you are not going to give the oscar or other award to streep, the alternative better damn well deserve it acting wise. It's like When Memoirs of a Geisha got snubbed over Brokeback Mountain. Love Brokeback Mountain as a film but for score? Really? 13 minutes of music of which most of it was ad libbed by a guitar player? WTH!!! lol
18 minutes ago, Kostov said:If not for TLJ, at least we get something from The Post.
Thank you x
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2 hours ago, filmmusic said:
I'm sorry, did you see the film and saw that she was not worthy of it?
Yes of course I saw it and no I didn't think she should have been nominated heh. It was her best performance by far in her acting career but that's not saying much
And I love Madonna, she puts on the best concerts hands down!!! I will always get a ticket for that, but lets be real when it comes to acting. At least this is my opinion. If you think she deserved it, that's your right of course!
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Guys those do not sound like synth strings to me when it starts, plus the writing is sharp and the orchestration of the brass is very Williams. The way he changes the tune from one bar to the next by changing one note is also his signature. I mean come on, are you guys that dumb? It's obviously the unused music from Ready Player One
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7 hours ago, armorb said:
You're right, of course. Maybe it was Harloff I'm thinking off?
Yes, I remember Harloff not being blown away at first but then loving the score after listening to it for a while and watching the movie a few times.
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Guys, regarding the possible tracked music in the end credits, if that is where you guys are saying it is. There was a post a while ago, can't remember on what website, where it was said that Williams is doing a tribute to Carrie Fisher in the end credits. Maybe that's what it is being used for?
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3 hours ago, Luke Montgomery said:
Actually, He wasn't even at the Premiere. He watched the live stream and thought the music playing belonged to John Williams. I watched the entire livestream, however, and I can tell you that it was just some rearranged trailer music.
Yeah Iw as wondering about that. Watched it too and he wasn't with the Collider crew, plus they were still going into the venue when he said it. I can't imagine though that he was commenting on the livestream.... That wasn't the score at all, it was synth drums and samples. Maybe he has an early copy of the score to review? Dunno...
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What? You have to be joking right? You think Williams wrote that after hearing the trailer? LOL, the score was done 6 months before the trailer came out.