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Jay · Sunday at 11:04 PM

2 hours ago, Jay said:

What made you uninterested in seeing it when it came out?

I just never got around to it. Kept meaning to in the years since! Oh well. Better late than never.

bruce marshall · Sunday at 08:34 PM

I'm so excited. Didn't see this film until last year and I absolutely loved it. It emphasizes all my favorite things about Nolan's films and minimizes all my least favorite things about them. I will definitely jump at the chance to see it in IMAX.

Nick1Ø66 · Sunday at 02:36 AM

I'll say this for TOD: It has many weaknesses, and almost every one of them can be viewed as a sort of strength. Is it a betrayal of everything Raiders stood for or a sterling example of a second film that's brave enough to do everything differently? Yes, yes it is.

And then there are the elements that are just pure strengths, no matter how you slice it. The score, the cinematography, the fight scenes, the mine car chase … there's definitely stuff to love here.

I'm sure I'll watch it at some point this year. And the score gets a lot of listening time from me no matter what.

Andy · April 17

Cutthroat Island comes to mind. It's got some great themes, and it's beautifully recorded, but it's just. Too. Much. You've got thickly layered fortissimo strings, brass, winds, percussion, and choir up the wazoo—and that's just the first cue! I enjoy individual tracks but I absolutely cannot enjoy the whole album, despite years of trying.

I was really lukewarm on Star Trek TMP for a long time, but I finally "got" that score eventually.

Brando · April 9

57 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

You don't. The handful of folks that like "film edits" for whatever reason would inevitably be a bit disappointed, but editing together the music as-recorded is quite simple actually, and still provides a relatively good listening experience. It's the sequel scores that I'd be more concerned with.

Yep. Complete programs for the prequels would be pretty easy. Complete programs for the sequels … oof. Nightmare. (But one I still fervently hope happens during my lifetime!)

ragoz350 · April 9

@mosabri2 I think you're vastly overstating HZ's pianistic deficiencies. Your point would make more sense if you were talking about, like, the E.T. end credits or the solos in Snowy's theme—something that could only be written by someone intimately familiar with the repertoire and with the sounds an excellent pianist can produce.

But the feather theme is super simple. Totally diatonic, not fast, with easy pop chord changes and a melody consisting of three-note scale fragments and basic arpeggios. It's great because of its simplicity.

Silvestri didn't need to be a virtuosic pianist. He "just" needed to be really, really great at a much rarer skill: the ability to craft a tune that sounds totally inevitable, that gives the right feels, and that lingers in your ear and heart. And I'd argue that HZ has written some tunes like that as well, albeit very different in style.

ragoz350 · April 8

3 hours ago, mosabri2 said:

If you look at a famous theme, like say Forrest gump.

This piece would never have been written by zimmer or djawadi, not because it's not their style, but because they would not be able to play such a theme. Now this piece is not difficult, but zimmer and djawadi play at such a low level that this would be beyond their abilities.

if you look at the theme to Westworld, it sounds like it was written by someone who can barely play piano. It sounds limited by the player's abilities, whereas the feather theme sounds complete and intentional in the way it is played.

To me "tennessee" from pearl harbor also somewhat sounds limited by Hans zimmer's playing abilities.

Even if brian tyler has not written anything memorable, you can definitely sense a higher level of musical quality from his music and none of it is offensive.

Really puzzling allegations here. HZ got his start as a keyboardist. He may not be a world-class virtuoso, but I'm sure he could get his fingers around something basic like the feather theme. (It's a great theme, but not remotely difficult to play.) And I believe Djawadi started with guitar, graduating summa cum laude from Berklee, so he's probably not the world's worst musician either.

Brando · April 7

15 hours ago, oierem said:

I do wonder, though, why do so many of you think that the original Banning Back Home is so superior? Not counting the free improv section (which is really fun) I don't really see any objective reason to call it superior to the revised version.

I definitely like both. But to me, the original flows better. The redo feels a little choppy as it tries to navigate the happenings on the screen. It mostly feels like a chopped-up version of the original. (That being said, I really like the few passages that are unrelated to anything in the original version.)

Ultimately—pun intended—I'm just delighted to have them both complete and with pristine sound quality!

April 2

If we're talking trailers for which JW wrote bespoke music, options that come to mind are:

Nixon
HPSS
POA
Hook
TFA
1941

Any others? Of those, HPSS is probably my favorite. Least favorite is 1941, which lacks the zany exuberance of the score proper. (Although I admit I'm not familiar with Nixon.)

MaxMovieMan · March 26

On 24/03/2024 at 1:35 PM, Mr. Who said:

3 Body Problem Episodes 1-3

Super impressed with this show, one of the most exiting new shows in quite a while. Full of mysteries and interesting ideas. Looking forward to see how it unfolds and I believe S2 is being written right now!

6 episodes in, I have such mixed feelings about it. The ideas themselves are really interesting, but I feel like the tone is all over the place. There's kind of a YA melodrama tinge to a lot of the writing and acting, but then suddenly there's full-frontal nudity, or a character dropping the C-word a few times per episode, or a mass casualty event that's as creative as it is unflinchingly gory. CW meets HBO. Anyway, I will certainly be finishing the first season and awaiting the second, and there's a good chance I'll read the books in the meantime.

I'm probably just spoiled as I'm still coming down from the high of finally finishing Better Call Saul, which did the unthinkable by really giving Breaking Bad a run for its money. Jesus, I was sad to see it end—and delighted to see it end as well as it did.

Brando · March 19

1 hour ago, enderdrag64 said:

I think everybody forgot about it, and rightfully so

I certainly did until this thread was so rudely bumped … :lol:

Yavar Moradi · March 19

1 hour ago, Edmilson said:

The final shot of all the Jedi going to confront the single Sith (which means most of them will probably get slaughtered) reminds me of Obi-Wan's line to Palpatine in ROTS: "Sith Lords are our specialty".

No, you moron, they're not! One Sith has been shown to be capable of soloing two or more Jedi for, what, centuries now?!? Even in the context of ROTS that line is funny because they haven't been able to defeat Dooku for 5 years or so and two minutes later Obi-Wan himself gets knocked out by the Count.

Classic Jedi hubris.

Yavar Moradi · March 14

I wish I could remember. I guess his Trek theme's use in TNG would have been an early one; I didn't see TMP until a little later. I did see Planet of the Apes as a kid but the music didn't make much of an impression on me at the time. (Don't worry, I love it as an adult!) Soarin' Over California definitely caught my attention, as did his Universal logo. And I did have a compilation album that included Alien and Gremlin.

I probably didn't realize how much standing JG had with fans until I joined this community in the mid or late aughts. From there, my appreciation slowly grew, although there's still a large portion of his work I haven't heard.

Oh, and for the record, I do not view the TMP theme as a Star Wars knockoff in any way. It conjures very different emotions/images for me, and I can't point to any objective commonalities beyond "loud orchestral main theme in one or more major keys, featuring trumpets or violins on a triplet-heavy melody." That's hardly unique to SW.

Trope · February 21

Just now, Gabriel Bezerra said:

You went from "That wasn't actually Vader's plan" to "Vader and the Empire are incompetent" to now saying that "that was Vader's plan, but he only managed to do it 'cause Force"

No, he's saying it was the Force's plan. It wanted Vader to catch Luke. In the fourth trilogy, the Force itself will be revealed as the true villain behind everything bad that's ever happened in SW. The peoples of the galaxy will have to rise up and go to war with their own midi-chlorians. (That end battle was sure tricky to shoot, back in 2018.)

ThePenitentMan1 · February 21

Zekeckis is an akazing kan, omay? Don't kame fun.

Giftheck · February 21

@Mattris Copy that. Looking forward to that midi-chlorian trilogy bringing us to your plane of enlightenment, God whilling.

ThePenitentMan1 · February 21

If Zekeckis ever sells BTTF to Disney, we could make a Disenchantment Under the Sea Thread...

EDIT: Well that's just too funny a misspelling to correct.

Trope · February 21

2 hours ago, Mattris said:

Your summary and explanation of Vader's plan is the first to note that "Jedi have been shown to experience premonitions of future events through the Force". This was made clear in the prequels and subsequent Star Wars volumes …

Just to make sure I'm tracking … you're suggesting that this isn't made clear by Yoda in that very scene?

"Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future, the past. Old friends long gone. … It is the future you see."

February 20

I've always assumed one of the source cues from SS or POA.

JTN · February 20

12 hours ago, Edmilson said:

I looked on his IMDB and he seems to have worked for pretty much every major composer in Hollywood: Powell, JNH, Beltrami, Silvestri, Thomas Newman, JW... Seems like a very well connected guy and someone every big name composer can trust.

He owns JoAnn Kane Music Service, arguably the biggest name in music preparation for films. (Music prep is the process of rapidly creating the finished sheet music based on what the composer, arranger, or orchestrator provides. In the olden days, that meant handwriting the conductor's score and every player's part. Now it's accomplished with software like Finale or Sibelius.)

February 18

I gotta admit, this is one of Mattris's less entertaining detours. I expect better.

ThePenitentMan1 · February 18

https://wondermark.com/c/1k62/

Trope · February 17

"You catch on pretty quick." -Ric Olié

Ironclad confirmation that most Star Wars fans understand exactly what Star Wars is about. The literal words have definitions, and the definitions come together to create meaning, and the meaning is irrefutable fact.

enderdrag64 · February 16

5 hours ago, Mattris said:

It's a story being told. The words of which it's comprised tell the story. Words have definitions. Much can be garnered from these facts. Though one might have to pay attention and actually think.

Dude … props to you for your craft. Working the common misuse of "comprised" into a holier-than-thou lecture on paying attention to the definitions of words? Masterstroke.

Trope · February 16

This is so cool. Notice that JW does call for "drs", i.e. drums, i.e. snare or field drums, along with the timpani. I always wondered about that, since you pretty much just hear timpani in the ANH recording. There isn't any (audible) snare drum until later recordings.

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