Datameister

Wild. Happy birthday to this wonderful little community!

No one tell him about Ludlow...

You're too much. 😂

Okay now I'm mystified. It doesn't affect anything, but @Mattris Kylo's theme only has nine notes, and it's the first four that are found in the Emperor's theme. If we're in C minor: G F# C Eb G ... G F# C Eb Where are you hearing another note?

You could be right. Lord knows I've done that before. But I dunno, I get real strong troll vibes. Always have. I mean, how could anyone argue with a straight face that the code name Trixie is evidence of an Episode X? As if it's possible to construct a word that contains "IX" without including "X"? C'mon. 🤣

A great interview indeed!

Yeah, I didn't have any particular sense of Yoda being from Dagobah, any more than I had a sense that Obi-wan was from Tatooine. Not that that's an invalid assumption to have made at the time; it's just not how I took it. Interesting!

Oh absolutely. Although … to be completely fair … I admit I never made the connection between Kylo's theme and the Emperor's until he mentioned it. The first four notes of the former are identical to a bit near the end of the latter. It's a cool link. The odds, as I see them: 30% chance this was an intentional choice 8% chance JW did it because he'd been told the Emperor might later be returning 4% chance Mattris actually believes that Lucasfilm is engaged in a decades-long benevolent scheme to mislead and disappoint fans so they can be blown away by a fourth trilogy that was partially shot and scored with TROS 0.00001% chance that Lucasfilm actually is

This thread just makes me so happy. 🤣 Partial list of Star Wars themes containing rising/falling minor thirds: Imperial motif Jawa theme Rebel fanfare Han and Leia's theme Imperial March Yoda's theme Jabba's theme Ewok theme Qui-Gon's theme Across the Stars Separatists' theme Poe's theme Maybe, if we're truly lucky, Mattris will someday reveal to us how Darth Sidious created Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Poe Dameron. After all, it's right there in their themes. YOU'D HAVE TO BE AN IDIOT TO MISS IT.

The original AOTC finale, before the Imperial March insert. If we can't listen to it on Earth, at least let the aliens enjoy it.

Well there's no accounting for taste. 😉 After all, even a pile of shit can make for a pretty entertaining scene!

And don't forget that his (purported) interpretation of things is shockingly optimistic compared to most conspiracy theories. Lucasfilm has spent the last 50 years methodically deceiving the public in order to … help us eventually derive more enjoyment and meaning from their films! It's actually kind of sweet!

If we're talking continuations of existing IPs, my primary exposures right now are Star Wars, Indy, and the MCU. There's been a non-stop stream of Star Wars since 2015, with widely varying quality. The main saga had a really flat ending. The TV series had an impressive start but they've become more and more focused on bringing past Filoni creations to live action, and I've just never been able to bring myself to care about any of those. There has emphatically not been a non-stop stream of Indy. The one new entry gave our hero an inexplicably gloomy, depressing sendoff. I preferred the ending of KOTCS. No joke. I've never been waaaay into the MCU, but I thought everything up through Endgame came together really, really nicely. Now I've fallen behind and lost interest as the stories splinter off into a staggering multitude of multiverses and unrelated origin stories. It's hard to keep a good thing going. There have always been far more sequels that sucked than ones that didn't. The studios that survive are the ones that turn a profit, so they've always had incentive to focus on that. And there's still awesome new original stuff from recent years anyway, e.g. Everything Everywhere All at Once. But the industry is also going through some big upheavals, so who knows what the next decade or two of film will bring. Film music has largely been in a slump for years now. It's sad but there's still a lot of older stuff I haven't listened to yet.

@JTW Sounds like you don't have as much appreciation for this swill as I do. All good—Mattris always goes into hibernation after each round of posting. But for my money, this thread is only interesting when he's here to spout his utterly masterful trollspeak. No offense to anyone else.

Oh, he's almost certainly trolling. But the Mattris character is an entertaining one, and the commitment to the bit is pretty impressive.

I think his theory is that the huge amount of extra music was actually recorded for Episode X. Seems logical, right?

I forget, has @Mattris ever committed to a time horizon on the already-filmed fourth trilogy thing? Like, if we get to, say, fall 2026 without evidence of another trilogy, is he wrong? I know at one point he suggested things kicking off around 2022, which obviously didn't happen.

Robots confirmed! And come to think of it, the Jawa theory makes sense too. They played a key role in the fulfillment of Palpy's plans by bringing the droids to Luke. Obviously Lucas intended them to be the Emperor's henchmen from the start!

Yep. Same way we know Ben Solo was actually an Ewok. The first interval of a theme doesn't lie! @Trope welcome to the party.

And don't forget that he said the same thing about TROS before it came out. It was going to blow people's socks off, receive universal acclaim, unite the fans, make TFA and TLJ suddenly gel together, reveal the secret truth of the saga's hidden meaning, etc., etc. He likes to bring up his track record of predictions that came true, which is admittedly pretty impressive … if you leave out the ones that didn't. I'm still waiting for the big reveal that the Jawas were created by Palpatine. Their theme starts with an upward jump of a minor third, just like Rey's and Palpatine's. It's also going to be super cool to see the next Jurassic Park film reveal that the dinosaurs were robots all along, as JW cleverly foreshadowed by starting their theme with the same three notes that start the droids' theme from ESB. The evidence is overwhelming.

How can it simultaneously be so fun and so irritating to read one person's posts?

Yeah, early on, they saved money by shooting a lot of Hogwarts interiors and exteriors at Lacock Abbey, Alnwick Castle, Durham Cathedral, Gloucester Cathedral, Oxford, etc. As the series went on, they were able to afford more sets, and the location shoots dwindled. But either way, the castle is very different in the films than in the books.

In the wampa cave, too.

I would love to fly the LSO to California to record something at Sony, and then fly LA players to London to record something at Abbey Road. I think it would be very illuminating for all of us. Anyone got a few million dollars we could throw at this?

I believe only the space battle cue that consists of material from ANH was the only thing recorded at Olympic. All the other orchestral stuff should have been at Abbey Road, so that's not it. That being said, I do think the magic of Abbey Road has something to do with how good ROTJ sounds in non-SE releases. Something just went wrong with the SE album specifically. Which is unfortunate, because the program is so outstanding. There are many scores that I prefer to hear abridged. The Star Wars scores are not among them—especially not the first six.