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    Datameister got a reaction from Tydirium in Star Wars End Credits Rankings   
    In the broad strokes, this is a totally valid point...but I will point out that Williams rewrote the beginning of the credits for Empire - everything up till the Rebel fanfare. It's still the same idea, but he changed the key signature, he cut off the opening trumpet fanfare rather than letting it continue to the downbeat of Luke's theme, he gave the melody of Luke's theme to the trombones (and woodwinds) instead of the horns (and woodwinds), and he had to reconfigure the trumpet line that ascends up into the Rebel fanfare, which is still in its original key. This new version was retained for every film that followed. The changes are significant enough to be factors in this conversation, as are the differences in the performances and recording/mixing for each film.
     
    That being said, ANH is edging it out over ESB for me at the moment, though they're both extraordinary.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Falstaft in Star Wars End Credits Rankings   
    In the broad strokes, this is a totally valid point...but I will point out that Williams rewrote the beginning of the credits for Empire - everything up till the Rebel fanfare. It's still the same idea, but he changed the key signature, he cut off the opening trumpet fanfare rather than letting it continue to the downbeat of Luke's theme, he gave the melody of Luke's theme to the trombones (and woodwinds) instead of the horns (and woodwinds), and he had to reconfigure the trumpet line that ascends up into the Rebel fanfare, which is still in its original key. This new version was retained for every film that followed. The changes are significant enough to be factors in this conversation, as are the differences in the performances and recording/mixing for each film.
     
    That being said, ANH is edging it out over ESB for me at the moment, though they're both extraordinary.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Cerebral Cortex in Star Wars End Credits Rankings   
    In the broad strokes, this is a totally valid point...but I will point out that Williams rewrote the beginning of the credits for Empire - everything up till the Rebel fanfare. It's still the same idea, but he changed the key signature, he cut off the opening trumpet fanfare rather than letting it continue to the downbeat of Luke's theme, he gave the melody of Luke's theme to the trombones (and woodwinds) instead of the horns (and woodwinds), and he had to reconfigure the trumpet line that ascends up into the Rebel fanfare, which is still in its original key. This new version was retained for every film that followed. The changes are significant enough to be factors in this conversation, as are the differences in the performances and recording/mixing for each film.
     
    That being said, ANH is edging it out over ESB for me at the moment, though they're both extraordinary.
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    Datameister reacted to ATXHusker in The Long Goodbye complete score released by Quartet Records   
    Official response from Intrada...
     
     
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    Datameister got a reaction from Arpy in Random YouTuber manages superior Star Wars special effects work over that of Industrial Light and Magic   
    In all fairness, the awesomeness of Jurassic Park's visual effects is due in part to the fact that they only used CGI for shots (or parts of shots) where puppetry, animatronics, and costumed performers couldn't get the job done. CG lets the dinosaurs run; practical effects let them come to life.
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    Datameister got a reaction from A Ghost From Highwood in Star Wars scores best to 9th best   
    ESB and ANH consistently duke it out for first in my book. "Gut reaction" picks between those will vary depending on my mood.
     
    At the other end, TLJ is a definitive low point for me. There's some very good stuff in there, but the literal interpretation of the temp track and the stretches of tepid underscore make for a stark contrast with the other eight scores.
     
    I can't vote yet because I haven't listened to TROS outside of the film yet. But even once I've listened to that album, voting will be nearly impossible. I reeeeaaaaally like my Star Wars scores.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Not Mr. Big in Star Wars scores best to 9th best   
    ESB and ANH consistently duke it out for first in my book. "Gut reaction" picks between those will vary depending on my mood.
     
    At the other end, TLJ is a definitive low point for me. There's some very good stuff in there, but the literal interpretation of the temp track and the stretches of tepid underscore make for a stark contrast with the other eight scores.
     
    I can't vote yet because I haven't listened to TROS outside of the film yet. But even once I've listened to that album, voting will be nearly impossible. I reeeeaaaaally like my Star Wars scores.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Holko in Random YouTuber manages superior Star Wars special effects work over that of Industrial Light and Magic   
    In all fairness, the awesomeness of Jurassic Park's visual effects is due in part to the fact that they only used CGI for shots (or parts of shots) where puppetry, animatronics, and costumed performers couldn't get the job done. CG lets the dinosaurs run; practical effects let them come to life.
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    Datameister got a reaction from crumbs in Random YouTuber manages superior Star Wars special effects work over that of Industrial Light and Magic   
    In all fairness, the awesomeness of Jurassic Park's visual effects is due in part to the fact that they only used CGI for shots (or parts of shots) where puppetry, animatronics, and costumed performers couldn't get the job done. CG lets the dinosaurs run; practical effects let them come to life.
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    Datameister got a reaction from crumbs in WAR HORSE - 2019 Recording Session Leak   
    I know exactly what you mean. My perfect-world scenario is to have a score in complete, unedited form as well as a slick, concise OST presentation. Some scores work better one way than the other, and sometimes my preferences vary depending on my mood.
     
    In any case, the album presentation of War Horse is one of Williams' best, IMO.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Arpy in WAR HORSE - 2019 Recording Session Leak   
    I know exactly what you mean. My perfect-world scenario is to have a score in complete, unedited form as well as a slick, concise OST presentation. Some scores work better one way than the other, and sometimes my preferences vary depending on my mood.
     
    In any case, the album presentation of War Horse is one of Williams' best, IMO.
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    Datameister got a reaction from A. A. Ron in WAR HORSE - 2019 Recording Session Leak   
    I know exactly what you mean. My perfect-world scenario is to have a score in complete, unedited form as well as a slick, concise OST presentation. Some scores work better one way than the other, and sometimes my preferences vary depending on my mood.
     
    In any case, the album presentation of War Horse is one of Williams' best, IMO.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Bellosh in WAR HORSE - 2019 Recording Session Leak   
    I know exactly what you mean. My perfect-world scenario is to have a score in complete, unedited form as well as a slick, concise OST presentation. Some scores work better one way than the other, and sometimes my preferences vary depending on my mood.
     
    In any case, the album presentation of War Horse is one of Williams' best, IMO.
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    Datameister got a reaction from bollemanneke in WAR HORSE - 2019 Recording Session Leak   
    I know exactly what you mean. My perfect-world scenario is to have a score in complete, unedited form as well as a slick, concise OST presentation. Some scores work better one way than the other, and sometimes my preferences vary depending on my mood.
     
    In any case, the album presentation of War Horse is one of Williams' best, IMO.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Jay in POLL: What are the 5 best new themes from the Stars Wars Sequel Trilogy (Ep 7, 8, 9)?   
    Rey's theme takes the first four spots. The fifth is a tie between Kylo's, Poe's, Finn's, and the Resistance's themes. I very much appreciated the fact that TFA was grounded in new themes, and excellent ones at that. The sequel trilogy scores are at their finest when they don't spend too much time indulging in musical nostalgia. The magic of the previous films' themes is pretty hard to beat - hard to even recapture, as it turns out. But Williams is capable of a different kind of magic now, and I appreciated that focus in TFA and (to a lesser degree) in TROS.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Jar Jar in Who wants to help me to analyse The stone theme from HP1   
    It can be tough to analyze some of this stuff through the lens of classical harmony. For what it's worth, I feel Bb as the closest thing to the tonic, not A. So the initial chords alternate between Gb+ (or Bb+) and Bbm, as you said, although the melody tinges them as Gb add b6 and BbmM7. There is no conventional scale (to my knowledge) that this all fits into, which is not unusual for Williams. He's just following his gut on stuff that sounds good. EDIT: I'm wrong about that last part - see @Ludwig's excellent post right below mine. Augmented scale FTW!
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    Datameister reacted to Ludwig in Who wants to help me to analyse The stone theme from HP1   
    These first few bars all come from what's called the hexatonic scale (or the augmented scale for jazzers), in this case:
     
    Bb-Db-D-F-Gb-A
     
    It's a six-note scale based on alternating minor 3rds (or augmented 2nds) and minor 2nds that Williams uses in his action music and in moments of mystery.
     
    I think @Datameister is right in calling Bb the tonic since it kind of resolves on that chord. But notice that the scale allows you to transpose anything up or down by major 3rd and still keep the intervals exactly the same. That makes the sense of a tonic very insecure, perfect for those moments of mystery Williams uses the scale for.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Yavar Moradi in THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE - LLL Music Discussion   
    I haven't really listened to anything of his from before '72, but The Cowboys was earlier that year and I prefer its themes. Don't forget about Images, either.
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    Datameister got a reaction from MainTitle in THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE - LLL Music Discussion   
    Took my first listen to this today - actually, my first listen to this score in any form, other than samples. Definitely dig the main theme, but there's some nice underscoring in there too. It's amazing to hear stylistic through lines from 1972 that you still find in Williams' work now, almost 50 years later.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Yavar Moradi in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    In their complete(ish) forms, TFA blows KOTCS out of the water for me. The new thematic material is so much richer, and it doesn't spend as much time indulging in the action music tropes that Williams so fully explored in the 90s to early 2000s. And then in terms of OST representation, the difference is even more stark. TFA got a pretty fantastic OST, especially considering the vast amount of music there was to choose from. KOTCS is a shorter score yet the cue choices for the album were much worse, IMO.
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    Datameister got a reaction from crumbs in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    In their complete(ish) forms, TFA blows KOTCS out of the water for me. The new thematic material is so much richer, and it doesn't spend as much time indulging in the action music tropes that Williams so fully explored in the 90s to early 2000s. And then in terms of OST representation, the difference is even more stark. TFA got a pretty fantastic OST, especially considering the vast amount of music there was to choose from. KOTCS is a shorter score yet the cue choices for the album were much worse, IMO.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Holko in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    In their complete(ish) forms, TFA blows KOTCS out of the water for me. The new thematic material is so much richer, and it doesn't spend as much time indulging in the action music tropes that Williams so fully explored in the 90s to early 2000s. And then in terms of OST representation, the difference is even more stark. TFA got a pretty fantastic OST, especially considering the vast amount of music there was to choose from. KOTCS is a shorter score yet the cue choices for the album were much worse, IMO.
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    Datameister got a reaction from crumbs in A Williams hallmark: the brass combo for characters dying/falling   
    Probably temp. I never really picked up on that particular similarity either, but it's totally there.
     
    In any case, this is definitely a very Star Wars thing, more so than a general Williams thing, though it certainly fits within his overall style. The TPM and AOTC examples are especially prototypical.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Tydirium in A Williams hallmark: the brass combo for characters dying/falling   
    Probably temp. I never really picked up on that particular similarity either, but it's totally there.
     
    In any case, this is definitely a very Star Wars thing, more so than a general Williams thing, though it certainly fits within his overall style. The TPM and AOTC examples are especially prototypical.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Bellosh in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records NOW AVAILABLE   
    I own none of these three in any form, so this'll probably be an easy buy for me. I'll take a listen to the samples first to be sure.
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