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The Dial Scene

The Dial Scene

Looks like it could very well be good. (Although no trailer is good enough to preclude the possibility of the film being terrible.) Fingers crossed!
 
And yeah, I got onboard with a lot of the trailer music for the Star Wars ST, but this track is just terrible.

The Dial Scene

Looks like it could very well be good. (Although no trailer is good enough to preclude the possibility of the film being terrible.) Fingers crossed!
 
And yeah, I got onboard with a lot of the trailer music for the Star Wars ST, but this track is just terrible.

I agree that her subplots really didn't cover that much ground over the course of the season … but I also found them really compelling to watch. Genevieve O'Reilly has truly hit her stride with this character. In ROTS's deleted scenes, she struck me as a rather stilted lookalike. In R1, she got to give a more mature and nuanced performance. Now, in Andor, she totally steals the show with everything she says—and everything she doesn't.

Meh, we already have posters that do that. (I flip-flop on whether it's hilarious or just a really good way to deter anyone new from joining the community.)
 
In all fairness, I was directly responding to an incorrect statement that was offered in good faith, as far as I can tell.

Well, he originally wrote a much shorter "Hedwig's Theme" for the trailer, based purely on his mental imagery from the books—hadn't seen any film footage. He thought it evoked the snowy owl's flight and titled it accordingly. But it so effectively captured the broader magic and mystery of Harry's entry into the wizarding world that it ended up becoming the score's main theme.

Fansplaining

I would love to see this re-issued again. One of their greatest expansions with an absolutely perfect arrangement/sequencing.
 
This gets purchased the instant it comes back, no question. I’ve almost dropped $100 for it but I’ve held out against the scalpers for this long.

I agree that her subplots really didn't cover that much ground over the course of the season … but I also found them really compelling to watch. Genevieve O'Reilly has truly hit her stride with this character. In ROTS's deleted scenes, she struck me as a rather stilted lookalike. In R1, she got to give a more mature and nuanced performance. Now, in Andor, she totally steals the show with everything she says—and everything she doesn't.

But science fiction—especially hard sci-fi—isn't really about the exploration of the human condition in a futuristic setting. It's about the interaction between the human condition and a (scientifically plausible) futuristic setting. Star Wars intentionally leaves the realm of scientifically plausibility, even when you ignore the Force. And the futuristic setting is just that: a setting. It's not really involved in the central themes and questions.
 
None of that is a criticism of Star Wars; it just has different goals than science fiction generally does.

I agree that her subplots really didn't cover that much ground over the course of the season … but I also found them really compelling to watch. Genevieve O'Reilly has truly hit her stride with this character. In ROTS's deleted scenes, she struck me as a rather stilted lookalike. In R1, she got to give a more mature and nuanced performance. Now, in Andor, she totally steals the show with everything she says—and everything she doesn't.

But science fiction—especially hard sci-fi—isn't really about the exploration of the human condition in a futuristic setting. It's about the interaction between the human condition and a (scientifically plausible) futuristic setting. Star Wars intentionally leaves the realm of scientifically plausibility, even when you ignore the Force. And the futuristic setting is just that: a setting. It's not really involved in the central themes and questions.
 
None of that is a criticism of Star Wars; it just has different goals than science fiction generally does.

The "not sci-fi" argument doesn't excuse everything; it just excuses the consciously unscientific stuff you're talking about.
 
There's no easy or objective way to determine whether a work is science fiction, science fantasy, hard sci-fi, soft sci-fi, space opera, etc. The borders and overlaps between genres are loose and subject to debate. Personally, I'd say that the original Star Wars is very much science fantasy. You could easily tell the same story in a traditional fantasy setting, and the opening "A long time ago …" tries to set up a fantasy mindset from the start. For me it also sits on the far outskirts—Outer Rim?—of soft sci-fi. Later films feel a little less science fantasy and a little more soft sci-fi. But it's still just a soft sci-fi veneer. There's nothing sci-fi about the stories.
 
Andor is interesting. It doesn't really feel like science fantasy at all, but it's certainly not hard sci-fi for the reasons you describe. I'd describe it more as a political thriller in a soft sci-fi setting. Its themes don't feel at all sci-fi to me. If Star Wars could easily fit in a fantasy setting, Andor could easily fit in a contemporary one.

Sure doesn't feel that way right now, what with the big Bob shakeup …

But science fiction—especially hard sci-fi—isn't really about the exploration of the human condition in a futuristic setting. It's about the interaction between the human condition and a (scientifically plausible) futuristic setting. Star Wars intentionally leaves the realm of scientifically plausibility, even when you ignore the Force. And the futuristic setting is just that: a setting. It's not really involved in the central themes and questions.
 
None of that is a criticism of Star Wars; it just has different goals than science fiction generally does.

I take a fairly hard-line view of what science fiction is.  Sci-fi is fundamentally about the human relationship with technology and where it might take us in the future, and how it changes or doesn't change the fundamental nature of being a human.  The technology needs to be more than just an aesthetic or back-drop.
 
But these kind of definitions should never get in the way of just enjoying a story (or not enjoying it).

The pizza analogy actually has promise. Andor is like a pineapple pizza, you've got a group of people who will tell you that it's not 'real pizza' and then when you ask what real pizza is they'll say that it can only be bread, meat and cheese and yet despite all these rules, pineapple pizza is still delicious 

1 and 2 are all you need
 

I think even the show’s most ardent supporters would agree the show lacks a hook to pull viewers in from the start.  Just about everyone walks anway from the first two episodes saying “Hmmmm… interesting. “. Even after the 1-3 story arc, it’s a soft start and a slow burn. 

Doc Ock's theme beats the Goblin's for me too. Nothing wrong with the Goblin's theme; it totally fits. But there are statements of Ock's theme that give me goosebumps.
 
Otherwise I prefer the first score, though.

I'll definitely grab this one. The themes have some good propulsive energy, and the complete score has enough variety to still make for an interesting listen 

I'll definitely grab this one. The themes have some good propulsive energy, and the complete score has enough variety to still make for an interesting listen 

I'll definitely grab this one. The themes have some good propulsive energy, and the complete score has enough variety to still make for an interesting listen