Bilbo

I've seen a lot of people wishing that the old themes had been used more and then others saying that they were used quite frequently because the themes appeared in multiple moments, are present in cues X,Y,Z etc. I think what most people who wished for more usage of the old themes are saying is that they wish the themes had been more present and more involved in the musical fabric of the film. People of course may have different interpretations of how that is achieved.
 
For me at least, that means that, for one, themes aren't just reprised briefly and verbatim and then discarded with for the rest of the cue. Yes, it's nice that Horner's theme is in there. It's neat that Elfman's Spidey and Responsibility themes are used. But if you quote them more or less directly in these very isolated ways, there's not much impact to really be had from them. Doc Ock's theme is in there, Goblin's theme is in there, but usually in these very brief statements that never fully state the theme and that never really feel like their power is fully-harnessed (the bridge fight with Ock being a bit of an exception IMO). It feels very surface-level. They're in there, they exist within the music of the film, but they don't really feel like they're woven into the score. And if you're gonna go to the trouble of having them back, why use them hardly at all?
 
That's not to say there aren't cool variations of old themes, sure. But, I think something that goes a long ways is to have those themes actually interact with one another, not just exist in these standalone snippets. Young did this superbly in the climactic end fight of Spider-Man 3, even despite quite a few in-film edits that hack at the score. You have Sandman's theme building and then falling to make way for Spidey's theme before being interrupted by Venom's theme which transitions back to Sandman's theme into New Goblin's theme, etc. Themes play individually, sometimes together, but always in powerful and memorable ways that ebb and flow with a musical momentum that is mirrored on-screen, in addition to appearing based on who currently has the upper hand. The musical themes are an active part of the film and are working supplemental to the visuals to heighten the emotional response. They do not just appear briefly for a few seconds for mostly inconsequential impact. Some have argued that the final fight in NWH is edited in such a way that to do something similar musically for the climax would have been very messy, and I really don't think that's the case. The film if anything presents itself in a way to make such an approach easier, with villains kinda awkwardly being introduced one-by-one and never once being featured all at together. And, honestly, how great would it have been to have had all 3 Spidey themes weaving (webbing?) in and out of one another during the final fight? It's not impossible, it just takes effort and is admittedly harder. It's made all the more upsetting when Giacchino actually does this really well earlier in the film during the Strange/Spidey altercation. 
 
None of this is meant to come across as entitlement. It's Giacchino's score, he can do what he wants. He doesn't owe us anything. I think his heart was ultimately in the right place. He didn't have to bring back any of these themes, but it was cool he did and I'm happy for it. I'm more just trying to explain I think why people are disappointed with the usage of older themes from my own perspective.
 
 
 
I also agree with the idea that, as this is Holland's film, his theme should, whether you like it or not, be front and center. But when you choose to beat us over the head with it in almost every major moment of potentially emotional consequence in the final act...
...It starts to lose its effectiveness. It becomes a Force theme/Last Jedi situation. You hear it so much that it doesn't really mean anything. And ideally a good theme allows you to forge this emotional connection to what it is the theme is representing, a connection that becomes undermined when it starts to be used for things the theme isn't meant to really represent on-screen.

I like the optimistic music that plays when 
but then of course it leads to the dreaded Gia Spider Man theme

It's ok. 

It's going to be a Wheel of Time/Witcher level show in terms of writing and production values. Typical, generic Amazon/Netflix streaming fantasy. Anyone who is expecting anything genuinely "Tolkien" in this show is going to be sorely disappointed. I still wonder what the reaction will be when people begin to realize that 90+% of the show (including most of the plot, a good number of the characters and virtually every line of dialogue) is purely fan fic created by committee in a TV writer's room and has very little to do with what Tolkien wrote. 
 
Jackson's films and Game of Thrones caught lightning in a bottle, and it's something of a miracle they happened at all, let alone how good they ended up. You just can't conjure that kind of magic up by following an algorithm.  I can't see how the show can be anything other than a let-down at this point (assuming you're someone who raised their expectations in the first place).
 
 
Han Solo said something similar.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/01/04/the-lord-of-the-rings-rumor-claims-to-reveal-more-details-about-isildur-amazon-studios-will-introduce-original-character-as-his-sister/
 
 
yeah, I think Shore’s score is the only positive to come out of this. This sounds shite. 

People pirated Black Widow? I could have told them not to bother.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/01/04/the-lord-of-the-rings-rumor-claims-to-reveal-more-details-about-isildur-amazon-studios-will-introduce-original-character-as-his-sister/
 
 
yeah, I think Shore’s score is the only positive to come out of this. This sounds shite. 

You might need to use two - Amazon dot com and eBay dot com.   I won’t get started on the separate evils of those corporations, but you want a one-stop-shop for some reason.  The other option is of course piracy, in which you get exactly what you want and dream of via theft!

I’ll agree with you there - although I’d prefer for them to eat that shit in a way that is not also at the expense of the long list of people whose names appear in the credits!

Piracy sucks and people who pirate movies and music can eat shit.

literally anything was a better use of his time. Honestly, this picture sounds like he owed someone a favour. 

literally anything was a better use of his time. Honestly, this picture sounds like he owed someone a favour. 

La La Land had a lot of star power helping it. Two of the hottest stars of the moment vs.... a remake of a musical nobody was craving for.

That you love everything that is Star Wars?

Is it April 1st?

The reaction to Iron Man 3 is what initially started to sour me on the MCU. It tried to do something different but the internet couldn’t handle it. I thought the twist was great. 

Yup! Don’t think you could pay me to watch one if I’m honest.

I never thought about it that way before.

For once, that's totally apt

The golden rule when questioning the plot of this movie:
 
 

I miss Horner. I wish he’d gotten to score the second one too.

Oh wow I just saw the American opening weekend number and my eyes practically popped out of my head.  I was expecting “best of pandemic” numbers but not “bigger than Force Awakens” numbers.  $253 million ferpetessake!

The best way they could do the symbiote in the MCU is have him get the black suit towards the end of film 1 enabling him to finally defeat that film's villain,  have him wearing it when he appears is some other crossover films, then film 2 be about another villain and he eventually realizes the suit is bad and gets rid of it enabling him to defeat that villain, only for Eddie Brock to find it at the end of the film, who is then the villain of film 3 as Venom.  That would be so much better than trying to condense it all into half a movie like they did in Raimi's Spiderverse

That's fair, however Zimmer's theme is so close to Horner's it's like he tried to sound like that without actually just using it. Like an imitation. That's what annoys me about Zimmer's theme the most. It's like Webb said "use James' theme, but don't use James' theme you get me?"
 
I think that film nails Spider-Man himself. Garfield is fire as Spider-Man. It's like they did him justice, perfected everything, but took a shit on everything else by either half-assing the rest (Electro), or just...what the hell was Dane DeHaan supposed to do with that turd of a character? 

And then there's Gwen at the end. Her and Peter made a great pair and a great team and then she bumped her head. Time for the dog poop bags. 

I echo this. Just keep the theme and do what you want after that. 
 
I rewatched TASM2 last night and it isn’t that bad. I mean, it does have a lot of issues but there’s a decent film in there. Garfield and Stone were great. 
 
I hope Garfield gets a TASM3 some day with competent writers and without studio interference.