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jamesluckard

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  1. I still think "Attack on the Car" was meant to score the deleted "Camelot" sequence, as detailed in Cinefex magazine. Following the ferry scene, Ray and kids were to enter Newark, where they took refuge behind a minivan as tripods attacked apartment buildings and plucked screaming residents from them. The scene was apparently finished but dumped at the last minute. I'm guessing it was either too late to take the track off the album, or Williams liked it enough to leave it on anyway.
  2. Thanks so much for adding the tracked music listing. It turns out I had guessed wrong about where to start "Assault on the Temple," and it sounds much better now that I've corrected it, I started nearly a minute too soon. Also nice to be able to add "Charge of the Wookies" into my mix CD, I had no idea where that was from.
  3. By chronological, do you mean as Williams intended it or as actually heard in the film? I thought that track 2, though maybe meant as a concert piece, ended up being used extensively, in bits and pieces, for the final fight sequence. Am I wrong?
  4. I figured out how to make a CD that is exactly, and I mean exactly 80 mins long. I hate having to break up an album onto 2 discs, somehow it always looks too imposing on my shelf, and I never end up reaching for it. I took all the album music, the best of the Galaxies files (leaving off the bits that aren't that interesting and mean hacking otherwise nice album cues unlistenably.) Then I added the most important tracked bits off Eps I & II. Wow! I love the resulting album. Miles better than the chronological OST I made. The lightness added by the galaxies files and the tracked cues is an enormous help.
  5. Thanks, since it seems to come before "Grievous and the Droids," I'm calling ti "The Ship Breaks Apart."
  6. I'm putting together my mix CD of OST material, Galaxies files and tracked music. I have the segment of Escape From Naboo as 1M8. However, I can't remember what was happening in ROTS as this played. Can anybody give me some idea, so I can create a track name.
  7. Can somebody help? I want to make a comlpete version, taking the OST tracks, the Galaxies audio files and the tracked music from Eps I and II. Bits like Escape From Naboo and Anakin Destroys the Federation Battleship durign the opening space battle and Arena March as Anakin enters the Jedi temple worked so well that I want to re-create them on my full chronological album. I want to find timings for the tracked cues, but this list, which seems the most complete, only lists the use of Federation Battleship and DOTF: http://jwfan.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&f...er=asc&start=50 On this thread: http://jwfan.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&f...iewtopic&t=7540 I found the following list of tracked cues, but no times or anything. 1M8 - Escape from Naboo, The Phantom Menace 2M2 - Battleship Destroyed, The Phantom Menace 3M4 - The Arena, Attack of the Clones The Senate, The Phantom Menae The Big Army, The Armies Face Off, Laser Fight March, The Phantom Menace (reel six cues featuring the Trade Federation March). 4M2 - Ambush on Coruscant (film version), Attack of the Clones The Senate, The Phantom Menace (I need to check this one again) 5M2 - The Arena, Attack of the Clones 6M5 - Duel of the Fates (album version orchestra track), The Phantom Menace Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  8. I had to make a few versions too, but found the chrono version miles better. Why Williams consistently has his albums put in such wacky order bewilders me, but I guess it's his to do with as he pleases. I'm just glad he has the clout to get every score released, and as hour+ albums. And re-arranging them is always fun, and I gain new appreciation for the music, so I guess it ain't all bad.
  9. How exactly would I get these "Galaxies" audio files? I'd love to add them into the album I mixed in film order. If somebody can help me, I'd really appreciate it. I started the ROTS film order thread and updated it regularly, so this means a lot to me, Thanks
  10. I believe tracks 8 and 9 are both from deleted scenes. There's a seperate thread about track 9, a deleted action scene from which numerous stills and captures from trailers exist.
  11. I started a chronological thread, but it got attached by the webmasters to another thread about recommended listening order, and got buried. Hopefully this one won't suffer the same fate. Here's my list: Some timings for cutting up the immense track 13 are really approximate and are marked with question marks. I also gave some of the most badly named tracks new titles, they are noted with a star 1 – Prologue 13 – After The Storm* (1:10 – 2:57?) 4 – The Intersection Scene 13 – Ashes* (3:03 – 4:33?) 6 – Escape From The City 11 – Floating Corpses* (0:00 – 0:40) 5 – Refugees* 2 – The Ferry Scene 3 – The Separation Of The Family* 7 – Probing The Basement 11 – Caught* (0:40 – end) 13 – Escape From The Basket (7:00? – end) 12 – Look At The Birds!* 10 – The Reunion* 14 – The Reunion (alternate)/Epilogue* 6 – War Of The Worlds* (0:32 - end) 15 – End Titles* Unknown: 8 – Refugee Status 9 – The Attack On The Car 13 – (0:00 – 1:10), (4:30? – 7:00?) If I had to guess, based on what little I know, I'd put track 8 after track 6, and track 9 after track 2. I renamed "The Return To Boston" because it makes no sense. How can it be a return if they didn't leave from there and don't live there?
  12. Anybody able to help me update my list? Any suggestions about where the unknown tracks or bits of track 13 go?
  13. Saw the movie yet again today. Am more and more amazed by the score. Anyway, here's my current breakdown. Timings for cutting up the immense track 13 are really approximate. I also gave some of the most badly named tracks new titles, they are noted with a star 1 – Prologue 13 – After The Storm* (1:10 – 2:57?) 4 – The Intersection Scene 13 – Ashes* (3:03 – 4:33?) 6 – Escape From The City 11 – Floating Corpses* (0:00 – 0:40) 5 – Refugees* 2 – The Ferry Scene 3 – The Separation Of The Family* 7 – Probing The Basement 11 – Caught* (0:40 – end) 13 – Escape From The Basket (7:00? – end) 12 – Look At The Birds!* 10 – The Reunion* 14 – Epilogue* 6 – War Of The Worlds* (0:32 - end) 15 – End Titles* Unknown: 8 – Refugee Status 9 – The Attack On The Car 13 – (0:00 – 1:10), (4:30? – 7:00?) If I had to guess, I'd put track 8 after track 6, and track 9 after track 2. I also renamed "The Return To Boston" because it makes no sense. How can it be a return if they didn't leave from there and don't live there?
  14. Even on the final album it gets confusing. Some cues have been intentionally given the wrong titles. I know Williams often gives vague or inaccurate titles on albums, but on WOTW, titles are actually mismatched. Track 10, The Separation of The Family, is actually played over The Reunion scene in the film. Album track 14, called The Reunion, actually comes after this. Meanwhile, track 3, called Reaching The Country, is actually from The Separation of The Family scene. And it continues like this. Totally confusing. There's also lots of cutting and pasting to do. Making a chronological album is going to be a task.
  15. Oh, you mean when it shoots a tentacle through the pickup truck he's hiding in, right before it takes Rachel? I never thought of that. Are you sure this is the case?
  16. I was just listening to the CD after seeing the film again, and I have to say, unless somebody says track 9 matches up exactly to the scene where the mob attacks Cruise and family in their minivan, I suspect it may be for a deleted scene in which there is an alien attack on the car. The music is so furious and loud. It's much more than I can imagine Williams composing for such a human, dark scene that's mostly about character. This sounds like music for an attack by aliens, not people. Below are some stills and captures from this deleted scene, which also showed up in the trailer, in which Cruise has his line "Nothing can touch them."
  17. Much appreciated, I've been holding off on really listening to the album until I can put it in order, I know I won't enjoy it as much until I do so.
  18. Jeshopk - Thanks for providing a more accurate chronological order. Can you give exact times for splitting tracks?
  19. I didn't mean each time he's had a two movie year, he also did Indy 3 and Always in the same year, I just meant each of those 3 instances.
  20. With one of my other favorite composers, John Barry in either self-imposed or forced retirement, it's such a thrill to have Williams still producing masterpieces. Collecting Barry rarities from the past is certainly fun, but having brand new Williams CDs come out in stores, knowing he just created this music mere weeks before, is so much more thrilling.
  21. I agree that too much was shown of the aliens, but Spielberg already showed unimaginable balls by going up the slope of the hill, but then not going over it to show the "war of the worlds" of the title, when Cruise lets his son go. It was brilliant cinema, but not what a mass audience wants. Not showing some aliens as well would have made too many moviegoers mad. As it was, both times I've seen it, people complained about the ending, when it's straight out of the book. They also laughed at many of the most tragic bits, like the bodies floating down the river and the crowds going berserk over the van and killing each other for it after Cruise and his kids abandon it. I really think this movie is over the heads of most of them. Spielberg has grown, which is great, but I don't think he can ever make a mass crowd-pleaser again, his movies are too intense and intelligent now. Apparently the director of Fantastic 4 is quoted as saying that his film will outgross WOTW. Spielberg was too polite to respond when asked, except to wish the film well, but I fear this will happen, 4 looks like mindless multiplex eye-candy, safe for everyone from 8-80, which sells.
  22. The release date has actually been set for a couple of months. Another two-Spielberg-movie-year, quite a treat. Interesting how 1993 was Jurassic Park then Schindler's List, 1997 was Lost World and Amistad and now 2005 is WOTW and Vengeance. Each time mixing a big actioner and a challenging historical drama, just showing he's capable of absolutely anything.
  23. No, it's not that early. If anything track 5 would go roughly between 10 and 7, because it pretty much has to come once Ray and Rachel are separated from Robbie, at about the halfway point in the film. There's a section of the two of them together in Ogilvy's basement that falls there, and I suspect that's where the track goes.
  24. I don't remember anything notable that's missing. There's the opening titles music, then about twenty minutes establishing Ray's life with his kids, without any music, as I remember. There might be missing music from after the alien lighting storm at the end of this portion, but only a little, if there even was any. Immediately after this is The Intersection Scene, which is pretty early in the film. It seemed to me that this was scored much like Schindler's List, with a sizable section without score before the music is introduced. This comes down to the film's approach, showing everything from the perspective of Ray. We never see or learn a single thing he doesn't. There's no set-up of the aliens or anything, it's all very sudden.
  25. Saw the film last night, and figured I'd start another thread like I did for ROTS, where I'll put my presumed chronological order for the album, and update it as people give added info: 1) Prologue 4) The Intersection Scene 6) Escape From The City 3) Reaching The Country 9) The Attack On The Car 2) The Ferry Scene 10) The Separation Of The Family 7) Probing The Basement 11) The Confrontation With Ogilvy 13) Escape From The Basket 12) The Return To Boston 14) The Reunion 15) Epilogue Unknown: 5) Ray And Rachel 8) Refugee Status I'll bet a couple of tracks will need to be sliced and diced, but it'll be tough to figure out without a copy of the film, because the music doesn't have themes or tunes that are easy to latch onto and distinguish.
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