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    Drawgoon got a reaction from liamdude5 in John Debney Thread   
    I know he still has that Horizon thing coming (hopefully it will turn out good).
    I know he did some work on Orville.
    And I don't blame the man for not wanting all the headache and hurdles that come with scoring big films these days.
    But when I see his name attached to stuff like this, and recall the kind of things he is capable of writing, I can't help but sigh and think. dude this stuff is for rookies. You're better than this.
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    Drawgoon reacted to Chewy in Michael Giacchino - John Krasinski's IF (2024)   
    Deezer API has a "MEDIA_VERSION" field for every track. For this album, we can see that four tracks have been updated:
     

     
     
    I only checked Qobuz and Deezer but I guess every platform has to update the audio if the label requests it. 
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    Drawgoon reacted to Luke Skywalker in Michael Giacchino - John Krasinski's IF (2024)   
    Another expample of digual tracks update. 
     
    disney has no excuse not updating its digital tracks when they make an error
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    Drawgoon reacted to Chewy in Michael Giacchino - John Krasinski's IF (2024)   
    Sony Classical has updated the audio for 4 tracks of the album:
    02 A Blaze of Stories 05 Stairing Down Your Fears 06 Don't Get Imaginaried Away 08 A Room with a Blue The differences with the master that came out last month are big: sometimes different performance, sometimes different composition!
     
    Track 2 is a good example:
     
    First version
     
     
     
    New version
     
     
    I'm not familiar with the score and haven't seen the movie, so I can't really explain this. Does anybody have ideas on what happened here?
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    Drawgoon reacted to Marian Schedenig in Where Have All The Memorable Movie Themes Gone? Hollywood Composers Speak Out (New report on Slash Film)   
    What Ever Happened to Great Movie Music - Elmer Bernstein, 1970
     
    This reads a bit like a modern version of Bernstein's article. Perhaps less critical and pessimistic, and somewhat more open minded. It's a pretty good article, actually, and while it doesn't offer much news for us who know all about the world of film scoring, it would make a good overview to what film music actually is and what it can do for people who are less familiar with it.
     
    I do find this one comment by John Murphy rather superficial (dare I say: ignorant) though:
     
    Being "classically" trained - having studied composition and harmony (not to mention counterpoint) - isn't an indoctrination to make composers endlessly copy "old-fashioned" massive orchestral leitmotif scores. There have been highly skilled autodidacts throughout the history of music. Nevertheless, studying music (or any thing) will generally give you more knowledge and craft than not doing it. How you then apply those skill is still up to you. I don't see from which perspective *not* having learned about how music works would be a considered a badge of honour.
     
    Not every film needs lots of memorable themes, or even one, or a big orchestra, or even any kind of acoustic ensemble at all - if anything, much fewer films these days do, because sound effects and sound design are much more flexible now, and other technological advancements help films hold up much better for longer stretches without any music at all.
     
    Classically trained composers like Williams have written plenty of pop scores (just look at all those early comedies Williams has scored). Knowing how music works doesn't stop you from doing that. But it allows you to do other things that you might not be able to do, with limited time, without having first studied it.
     
    The main problems I see with film music today are:
    Production schedules have changed so much that composers come in very late, with very little time to write a score to a film that is still changing. The more complex or horizontal a score is, the less likely it is to survive (musically, i.e. without being mangled in editing) to the final cut. Films generally need much less music now, which is fine - but without either enough time (and at least some chronological proximity between queues) *and* without easily identifiable themes, writing a score that is musically coherent and not merely either generic wallpaper or a rather incoherent collection of brief, unrelated cues (an "album" in the loosest sense of the term) becomes much more difficult. Today's film composers mostly seem to have learned their craft by listening to the works of the previous generation of film composers - who were at least still partially "classically trained". Which means that more often than not, when they write a "traditional" score, they will be influenced by all the tropes and cliches employed by their predecessors, but without their expertise and musical knowledge. In a way, current day "traditional" scores often reflect the imagined superficial Gebrauchsmusik film score classic Hollywood was constantly accused of by "serious" musicians much more than those scores did.
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from Edmilson in John Debney Thread   
    I know he still has that Horizon thing coming (hopefully it will turn out good).
    I know he did some work on Orville.
    And I don't blame the man for not wanting all the headache and hurdles that come with scoring big films these days.
    But when I see his name attached to stuff like this, and recall the kind of things he is capable of writing, I can't help but sigh and think. dude this stuff is for rookies. You're better than this.
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from Tom Guernsey in Favorite Peter Pan score (other than Hook)   
    JNH's work captured the fantasy side of this story really well. It's hard to top that "Flying" tune alone. To this day I still can't figure out where he gets his inspiration to write these amazing tunes for scenes that barely have anything truly imaginative to offer.
     
    I was also very surprised and impressed by Joel McNeely's "Flight Through Neverland" from his score for the direct-to-video sequel to the original animated flick. Clearly inspired more by Hook and JW than Oliver Wallace. I only wish this wasn't the only cohesive track of the album - the rest is all over the place with the Stalling effect (read: Micky Mousing).
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    Drawgoon reacted to DemonStar in The Pixar Thread   
    Huge fan of Toy Story franchise here. Andrew Stanton is a fantastic director and has been a writer on the previous Toy Story films. Looking forward to the movie and hoping to see Randy Newman back again too.
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    Drawgoon reacted to JNHFan2000 in The Pixar Thread   
    I love Toy Story 1, 2 & 3. In my opinion it's one of the best trilogies ever made.
     
    I have very mixed feeling about the 4th one. The animation itself is spectacular, voice acting and music are as always incredible.
    But the story I have major problems with. I don't like how they sideline all the character so that Woody can have a story with Bo Peep. And I absolutely hate how the movie ends. And how a movie ends is always important and for me this just left a bad taste in my mouth.
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    Drawgoon reacted to Thor in Steven Spielberg will be making a UFO movie based on an original idea with a David Koepp script   
    "Suck", "trash", "irrelevant", "disagraceful".....I'm impressed by the high quality criticism in regards to Spielberg here. 
     
    I look forward to whatever he has next, whether it's a UFO movie or something else. I've learned not to speculate too much until the film is actually shooting, since he swaps projects all the time.
  11. Haha
    Drawgoon reacted to ThePenitentMan1 in John Powell - THELMA THE UNICORN (2024)   
    Michael Giacchino is very, very particular about how much of Powell's music gets released.
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from GerateWohl in What scores have been ruined for you by their expansion?   
    I can't think of an example where it was the addition of new music deteriorated the listening experience, but there has been releases where it was the new presentation that killed the magic for me - whether it was because of all news mixes (e.g. Lion King), vocals dialed down or eliminated (e.g. Fellowship of the Ring, Batman Returns), instruments-pushed-back (e.g. percs in The Mummy), cues edited together to make lengthier cues even though the original cues really don't blend well together (e.g. Superman Returns, Peter Pan), previously released music suddenly goes missing (e.g. Hunchback of Notre Dame), or key sequences with previously unreleased music remain unreleased (nothing immediately comes to mind but my impression from some comments I read is that some listeners thought of Hellboy 2 that way.)
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    Drawgoon reacted to crumbs in John Powell - THELMA THE UNICORN (2024)   
    That's stupid. We live in a digital/streaming era. Why is Powell being constrained by arbitrary maximum runtimes that are relics of physical formats?!
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    Drawgoon reacted to Anthony in John Powell kicks ass   
    Some nice discussion going on in the HTTYD3 topic, though it's not stricly Dragon related, so I didn't want to distract further.
     
    My (some editing required) Powell playlist for the car:
     
    20th Century Fox Fanfare (Samba Version) from Rio 2
      Bola Viva from Rio 2 - you'll need the song album for this
      The Colony from Antz
      Chasing The Bull from Endurance
      Save El Dorado from The Road To El Dorado - get the Wonders Of The New World track, which is 3 cues split with a short silence, and just take the middle cue
      Building The Crate from Chicken Run
      Ride The Dragon from Shrek
      The Fire Truck from Evolution
      Main Titles from The Bourne Identity
      Rhythm Of Drums from Drumline - Drummer On The Sidelines seems to be the cue that people mention, but RoT is better
      Main Title from The Adventures Of Pluto Nash
      End Credits from Agent Cody Banks - I splice on the start of Cody To Duty so it has the full opening, rather than fading in midway through that cue
      The New Plan from The Italian Job
      Nice Weather from Gigli
      Hog Chase Parts 1 & 2 from Paycheck - use ripping software to join them together
      Morning Run from The Bourne Supremacy - a version with a clean opening is available...
      To The Roof (Album Version) from The Bourne Supremacy
      Cool Chili from Be Cool
      Escape from Robots - a version with a clean ending is available...
      Tango de Los Asesinos from Mr. & Mrs. Smith - a version with a clean ending is available...
      Suite from Ice Age The Meltdown - from the Film Suites Vol. 1 album. It's a shame this arrangement wasn't on the OST/can't be replicated with editing as the performance isn't as tight.
      Finale from X-Men: The Last Stand - see if you can get the unedited version with full choir. Personally, I've merged it with the main title cue, so it ends after the main theme, rather than going into the Dark Phoenix theme.
      Suite from Happy Feet - I re-created a custom version of The Story Of Mumble Happy Feet from the song album. There's a whole lot of micro editing going on in that track which isn't great. You do need it however. I took The Birth Of Mumble, merged it into the TSOMHF version of Adelieland (where the micro edits are good), then merged that into the full version of Bob's LED.
      Tangiers from The Bourne Ultimatum
      The Meeting from P.S. I Love You
      A Jump Off from Jumper
      Mountain Chase from Horton Hears A Who! - a version with a clean opening is available...
      End Titles (Film Version) from Horton Hears A Who! - yes, a pain, you'll need to rip it, but it's better (even though shorter) than the album version
      The Base/Leaving Town from Stop-Loss - use ripping software to combine them
      Hero from Kung Fu Panda - a version with a clean ending is available, allowing you to remove the Po Wakes Up cue
      The Moon And The Superhero from Hancock - a version with a clean opening is available...
      Scooter Chase from Bolt - get the proper version off the promo, rather than the horribly micro edited album version
      End Credits from Ice Age: Dawn Of The Dinosaurs
      Coming Back Around from How To Train Your Dragon
      Bull Run / Going To Cape Horn? Take A Jacket from Knight And Day - use ripping software to combine them
      Credits Suite from Mars Needs Moms
      Morning Routine from Rio
      Dragon Racing (Album Version) from How To Train Your Dragon 2
      Flying With Mother from How To Train Your Dragon 2
      Mine Escape from Pan
      Flower Festival / From Train Station To Arena from Ferdinand - you can make a really nice transition between the two at the 3:00 minute mark
      Suite from Solo: A Star Wars Story - you'll need the deluxe version. Start with the clean opening of Lando's Closet, merging it into Super Extra Deluxe End Credits Suite, merging out into the full version Corellia Chase, then back into Super Extra Deluxe End Credits Suite for the shortened Flying With Chewie.
      Third Date from How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
      Joining The Team from The Call Of The Wild
      Buck Takes The Lead from The Call Of The Wild
      Life At The Beach from Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie
      Migration End Titles
      The Hidden World Suite from How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World A fantastic 3 hours or so of Powell goodness.
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    Drawgoon reacted to Richard Penna in What are your non-Williams film score holy grails now?   
    It's been years since the discussion with the post-Townson Varese guys about aborted releases, and a desire to see some titles out. Must be something about Brainstorm that is really complex (or makes it not possible at all) given how many titles have flown out since 2020 or so.
     
    And of course, I'm not letting a 'grail' thread be without my routine whine about JP ///  
     
     
    I think FotR is the only one that needs a ground-up rebuild from the sessions, including major alternates and theatrical versions where appropriate - something that would rival the Hook set without breaking a sweat. Although I don't think we need literally everything recorded, and this score is pretty much my #1 score.
     
    TTT and RotK are assembled with a different mindset, and really the only issue I have with those is the lack of properly released alternates and theatricals.
     
    Hopefully Shore isn't in a mindset where he feels the CRs are enough and he's moved on.
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from Yavar Moradi in Andrea Datzman’s INSIDE OUT 2 (2024)   
    With most of his former Pixar colleagues jumping ship for Skydance animation, it won't surprise me if MG wanted to follow along, all without burning the bridges. Also his ambitions for filmmaking and all that.
     
    In any case, I think this will turn out better in Datzman's hands than if MG were to return. No matter what the film's quality may be like, a composer who is new to the scene is more likely to take advantage of the situation and give it their best than one who's already "seen it all".
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from Stark in Andrea Datzman’s INSIDE OUT 2 (2024)   
    With most of his former Pixar colleagues jumping ship for Skydance animation, it won't surprise me if MG wanted to follow along, all without burning the bridges. Also his ambitions for filmmaking and all that.
     
    In any case, I think this will turn out better in Datzman's hands than if MG were to return. No matter what the film's quality may be like, a composer who is new to the scene is more likely to take advantage of the situation and give it their best than one who's already "seen it all".
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from dyemery in So Ridley Scott is directing a Gladiator sequel...   
    I don't buy this "not wanting to repeat myself" claim. He seems more than happy to do just that elsewhere.
     
    In fact, the only other time I recall hearing him say that was when he was asked why he passed Kingdom of Heaven to HGW. He said he was being asked to write a "Gladiator 2" for that movie and he didn't want to repeat himself.
     
    If this is not about him not wanting to work with the director again, I can only think of that copyright infringement lawsuit that was brought upon him for the first Gladiator from the Holst Foundation.
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from Davis in So Ridley Scott is directing a Gladiator sequel...   
    I don't buy this "not wanting to repeat myself" claim. He seems more than happy to do just that elsewhere.
     
    In fact, the only other time I recall hearing him say that was when he was asked why he passed Kingdom of Heaven to HGW. He said he was being asked to write a "Gladiator 2" for that movie and he didn't want to repeat himself.
     
    If this is not about him not wanting to work with the director again, I can only think of that copyright infringement lawsuit that was brought upon him for the first Gladiator from the Holst Foundation.
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from JNHFan2000 in What cue do you wish you were at the very first perfomance/recording of?   
    The Battle of the Pelennor Fields, from Return of the King - the part during Theoden's speech, and when they march to war: The timpani, the march theme on horns, the Rohan theme on solo violin. I would have loved to be on the recording floor when they were playing this snippet (especially if everything would get played in the same room at the same time). Oh my. I remember how disappointed I was when this bit was not included on the regular soundtrack album.
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from dyemery in Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget (2023 Netflix movie, music by Harry Gregson-Williams)   
    His approach to "Early Man", his previous work for this studio, was pretty much the same. An hour of score would just pass by without leaving any impression on me - other than perhaps this nagging feeling that more time might have been spent on the orchestration side of the work than actual writing.
     
    I suppose this is what he is being asked to do on these, and he seems more than happy to comply.
    Why else would he agree to/be asked to score several films by this studio for the past two decades?
  22. Haha
    Drawgoon reacted to Kasey Kockroach in John Powell's MIGRATION (2023)   
    Makes me happy that nearly any mention of the film (even from normal people who probably don’t listen to film scores otherwise) praises Powell.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/C1AMGq6v032/



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    Drawgoon got a reaction from Raiders of the SoundtrArk in Warner Bros. Discovery, Paramount Global in Merger Talks   
    Well, if it helps clear the path for LLLR or other specialty labels to release more titles from the Warner catalog, that'd be great!
     
    Otherwise, this could be yet another major blow to... what should I call it... competition scene?
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    Drawgoon got a reaction from bollemanneke in Warner Bros. Discovery, Paramount Global in Merger Talks   
    Well, if it helps clear the path for LLLR or other specialty labels to release more titles from the Warner catalog, that'd be great!
     
    Otherwise, this could be yet another major blow to... what should I call it... competition scene?
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    Drawgoon reacted to Edmilson in Chicken Run: Dawn of the Nugget (2023 Netflix movie, music by Harry Gregson-Williams)   
    As much as I tried, every time I watched the Shrek sequels the only times I noticed the scores were... when it played themes/cues from the first one. Still, I'd like to give them a chance on album one of these days.
     
    But I think we can all agree that
    HGW's best animated solo score is Sinbad; and His work has become significantly less interesting since the 2010s, animated or otherwise (though I like The Martian).
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