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This is exactly like the Tron Legacy expanded release - it was just dumped on iTunes and Digital and not a word was uttered about it. You know how great it would've been had Disney given it to some label to produce a collectible physical product, with artwork etc.? How does one cherish a lazily edited digital release?
What worries me is that it was clearly easy for Disney to do this meaning properly curated and edited albums, done by the likes of Matessino are probably less likely now that this is out there. It just goes to show they're not putting this out for the type of fans who'll pay for boutique labels, rather, the type who will put this in their Spotify playlist and listen to it casually. I'm hoping beyond hope that Disney will fund a proper presentation of Williams' Star Wars scores and not just dump it on some digital platform like it was nothing.
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@Thor I guess it's more like after having invested time into this franchise, across multiple series, formats, books etc. that the storytelling is a huge part of the 'experience' - and the storytelling in this series is haphazard at best, lazy at its worst.
That's not to say there aren't some truly great moments in the show, and I've appreciated the fact that we get to see some more facets of the Star Wars universe and with more attention to detail (through art direction, props, costumes, puppetry...).
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Here's what should've happened:
- Keep Mando and his storyline out of BoBF. It majorly sidelined any focus on Boba towards the Mandalorian. What's strange is how what we're seeing of Mando's story is almost entirely related to his past series and should've been saved for Season 3.
- Cad Bane is introduced or teased earlier and is the main antagonist of Boba throughout the season. Bane was a mentor of sorts to Boba for a time and in the second episode of his return, he gets killed off?!?!? What a waste!
- Ditch the awful biker gang. They are completely and utterly inappropriate for this show and how they relate to Boba. They don't seem to fit with the established aesthetic of Tatooine. Their power ranger bikes are ridiculous.
- Cobb Vanth and Boba Fett interact, Vanth tests Boba to see if he is worthy of the armour. The two become friends. Why waste a good character and the history of them both sharing the armour?
- Boba Fett, not Fennec Shand, kills the remaining Pyke syndicate as revenge for their slaughter of the Tuskens! Why do we get a hurried scene of Fennec killing them? It's shit.
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Trailers are meant to represent films, but most of the time they don't - scenes and shots that were cut - editing to change the narrative and tone etc.
The theme tracks aren't really that extensive though. I remember when Ode to Harrison was released ahead of Star Trek Into Darkness as a teaser and it wasn't really representative of the score as a whole, in fact, there are variations of that theme I enjoy more than the suite!
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You're saying that based off of two theme tracks?
6 hours ago, superultramegaa said:Eh, I'm not particularly fond of either way of doing things. Joker's theme was fun to hear in concert, but only mildly effective in film. As for The Batman's score I'm sure it will be like Spider-Man: Homecoming. Not tonally, but quality wise. Effective in film, but nothing that I'll regularly listen to or care about.
8 hours ago, Mephariel said:Zimmer's "9 hour Joker theme" is superbly effective in the film. The moment it comes on during the motorcade scene, the audience knows shit is about to come down. I think Giacchino's music will hit the audience the same way. It may not impress the film music traditionalists, but it will be awesome in the film, which is the main purpose of film music.
I'm not saying it wasn't effective in the film, I'm saying I'd skip it if I were listening to the album.
7 hours ago, bruce marshall said:Arpys comment didn't deserve a response.
But, you answered him well😁
You're almost in the event horizon of my ignore zone.
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I'd take this over Zimmer's 9 hour Joker theme any day of the week. I'd like to see how Giacchino uses this in the score and all the variations there will be. I wasn't taken with his theme for The Vulture in Spider-Man Homecoming upon first hearing it, but grew to appreciate it through the variations of it mixed amongst the score.
These pieces sound like Giacchino's usual theme suites he writes before the score when finding the character, so I feel no need to judge the rest of it without having heard it in context where it'll inevitably be developed further...
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Because many people still own devices that play DVDs. A great deal of new releases are combo packaged with DVD disc, Blu Ray disc and Digital download.
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It's alright guys, new films and shows will become old eventually, meaning it's not unreasonable to think fifty years from now there will be new consumers who want expanded and restored scores of The Orville or Ozark or whatever...
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I forgot to mention how bizarre and silly it was when Mando arrived at Boba Fett's meeting and seeing that biker gang standing around and I remember thinking how low Fett had stooped in order to have these kids involved.
But I like Sophie Thatcher:
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Cad Bane looked kind of comical in the Clone Wars, but looks unsettling here - which is a good thing.
The DeepLuke was better than the blurry original in The Mandalorian but still looked dead and artificial at times, and just like some DeepFake attempts, there is a weird angle that distorts the face slightly when Luke turns his head. Why is Luke still wearing his black robes anyway?
Another thing that was slightly off-putting was the forest location that looked like a botanical garden path carefully tended to and landscaped as a walking trail for elderly Chinese women. It wasn't nearly as interesting a location as Dagobah or even Ahch-To.
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I think Crimes of Grindelwald certainly tickled my fascination with the darker elements of the Potter series and Dumbledore's involvement, but it came at a cost of completely and irrevocably derailing Newt Scamander's story which FB1 was kind of setting up. As I've complained many times before in this thread, I think the tone and direction of these films is completely 'off' for what could've been a fun family adventure series.
Secrets of Dumbeldore will have to set things straight for this series, and any hope for magical beast exploration is well and truly out of the window now, and JK and Co. will compensate for this by feeding us HP nostalgia instead of new adventures.
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The question of this thread seems to be 'Why Don Davis?' but I suspect considering the score we got, I have to ask 'Why NOT Don Davis?'
I absolutely love the Family Theme for this film, especially as presented in the end credits suite.
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This was essentially a Mandalorian episode and it was great. I was wondering when Boba would show up and luckily he didn't. Lots of little references to both the Prequels and Sequels, and some great production design/CG for the ring city.
I liked the variations on the Mando theme and it really made me appreciate it as a great theme that fits in well with the Star Wars universe.
Overall this episode has me excited for another Mandalorian season, not so much more Boba, unfortunately.
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Three is Company was pretty slappin' in this mode.
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Both scores suit their films well, both have highlights and some weak spots. Solo is a more enjoyable film, but Rogue One has some really impressive cinematography and visual effects and feels like it inhabits the same world as the OT. Solo has some strange story beats, but stronger characters than Rogue One.
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Also, I don't think Giacchino butchered anything in Rogue One, and I find it strange the same criticism on how he used the force theme reverberated ad nauseum across this forum doesn't lend credence to it.
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52 minutes ago, crypto said:
The problem with Rogue One isn't that Giacchino was emulating a Star Wars score — it's that he was attempting to emulate a John Williams Star Wars score.
Contrast that to Solo, which is a John Powell score through and through, yet retains the spirit of the existing Star Wars scores.
It's also a big contrast to the more recent Fallen Kingdom, where Giacchino wrote a Giacchino score in the spirit of the Jurassic Park scores. Perhaps he's grown more confidence in his musical voice?
It might seem like splitting hairs but the difference is enormous.
It's clear, like with the film itself, Giacchino was brought in to write a Star WarsTM score, whereas I got the impression Solo had more freedom in regards to the approach to the score, but with Williams' presence making a difference.
I wouldn't think after almost two decades scoring both Pixar and mainstream film scores that his confidence all of a sudden matured with Fallen Kingdom, as opposed to merely having greater clarity to write a score that didn't need to fit some Williams mould.
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On 23/01/2022 at 4:15 PM, Datameister said:
Mando is initially characterized exactly as you might expect Boba to be: a focused, efficient, faceless, not-too-talkative badass who gets the job done so he can get paid. Obviously a big part of that show is his development beyond being a proxy for Boba Fett. So...what do you do with a show that's actually about the real Boba?
100% it seems the tables have turned on how the Mando is effectively the new Boba.
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I think this show is running on the fumes of the success of The Mandalorian, and little else. The problem simply put is that Boba Fett (as originally portrayed) wasn't really a character. He's a guy in a suit who says very little and looks mysterious and intimidating and that's about all the intrigue of his character. The Clone Wars series did give him more development by way of seeking revenge on Mace Windu, but then, as far as the main canon is concerned he becomes a bounty hunter and then we see him employed by Vader later on. After his experience with the Tuskens it puts his moral compass out of whack, leaving us wondering whether this is the same hardened bounty hunter and questioning why he wants to rule Mos Espa.
The other problem is the god-awful direction (cinematographically and the direction of the story) and this seems to stem from an issue I've had with the MCU which was apparent through some of Mandalorian in how these shows are made to basically set up a factory line of future shows, and it's sad to see Star Wars mined for content in this way. Robert Rodriguez's style doesn't gel with Star Wars, and makes it look more cartoon-y than the actual cartoon series in how slapstick some of the scenes are. The vespa chase and that whole Mod gang are ridiculously embarrassing and contrast so heavily with Boba and the vibe of Tatooine that they seem out of place.
I'm still sticking with the show, but I can't see this going beyond a second season without more momentum and a driving force behind it.
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Looking forward to Q and Guinan, but the damage season one did to the legacy of TNG and Picard as a character is irreparable. At this point, the tepid antics of Discovery make for a more entertaining Star Trek show than seeing some of my favourite characters again.
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This is sorta in the same territory Vinyl falls into where the ephemera (and nostalgia of the medium) seems to mean more than the contents. CD players just need to play the music, not look like this:
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I think the tone of this film, and the way the character seems to be presented wouldn't really gel with any Elfmanesque fanfare-type theme, or the brooding noodling of Zimmer's take, and when I first heard this new theme Giacchino had written I thought it was almost completely different from what I was expecting, and that's great. There's a tinge of sadness? It's more introspective than overtly extroverted and it leads me to think that the first half the track is for Bruce's character, whilst the rising second half is a motif for the Batman character.
One track released so far, so there's not a lot to go on, but already people judging the entire score...
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Amazon buys up Middle-earth, it searches the One Ring! (Rings of Power news thread)
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Compared to other series - The Witcher, GoT, Shadow and Bone, or even the recent Wheel of Time - I think the costumes look fine, if not more in-line with the Hobbit films. Promo pics almost always look like different from their film counterparts because they're photographs that don't share the same lighting, colour grading or are posed in such a way that they look different.