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    Bayesian reacted to Jay in The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread   
    Here's a nice article about it:
     
    https://www.slashfilm.com/who-is-constable-zuvio/
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    Bayesian reacted to Chen G. in The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread   
    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/12/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-rose-tico-kelly-marie-tran-1202199542/
     
    Sounds about right. It felt to me not so much that Rose was sidelined (although to some extent she sure was) but that her role (like so much of this film) was chopped to pieces in the editing.
     
    It also seems to me that the attempt to keep Leia in this film proved too much of a burden. They really should have cut their loses with that, and spent their time and money on other parts of the film that clearly needed it.
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    Bayesian reacted to aescalle in The Rise of Skywalker - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Not official ones.
    I am not sure if these covers will work for you,
    but I did them following the TFA and TLJ exemples.
     

     

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    Bayesian got a reaction from DolceMecha in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    The attention to detail being paid to the score by so many people in this thread is amazing. I saw the film last night and I couldn’t keep track of all the moments where I heard music I loved but not found on the OST or FYC.
     
    For now, I’ll say that I adore how Rey’s theme on piano (from The Force is with you; OST) was saved for the moment after Palpatine drains her and the camera is on her lifeless face. It was a magical use of color for an important and poignant moment.
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    Bayesian reacted to Naïve Old Fart in Do you understand Star Wars?   
    Do I understand it? What does it mean?
    To the industry; a game-changer.
    To the studios; a cash-cow.
    To audiences; a beloved series of adventures, that take people away from the mundane, if only for a couple of hours.
    To me; as I get older, my priorities and my attitudes change. I never "relied" upon the films, in my youth. They were enjoyable, but not essential. At this time, however, I'm of the opinion that the films are about one of the most important things in this world - family. The ability, and the need to, belong, are strong motivators, and the films illustrate this, well. "Good and evil"? Yeah, it's that, as well, but, IMO, that's secondary. It's about being accepted, belonging, and, yes, being loved, and in this jaded, selfish present society, that's not a bad message, at all.
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    Bayesian got a reaction from crumbs in Hans Zimmer's NO TIME TO DIE (2020) - James Bond #25   
    That's definitely a part of the problem I have with Zimmer/Balfe/RCP. It's one thing that most of the music they write is trash, but they also have this irritating habit of leveraging their well-oiled PR machine to boast how much blood and sweat they put into it, how much time they labored over it, what stops they pulled to bring in the best talent they could find, what auditory miracles they invented this time around, blah blah blah.
     
    Of course, the only thing more unbearable than a talentless hack is a talentless hack who takes jobs away from the far more gifted likes of Joe Kraemer and then goes on to put out 2-CD releases of his hackery as if under the ridiculous impression his music actually deserves such treatment.
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    Bayesian got a reaction from A. A. Ron in TLJ & TRoS, which do you like   
    Bait! Bait bait bait! This is KK saying, “please oh please take the bait!” But we’ll resist, won’t we, fellas?
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    Bayesian reacted to Kasey Kockroach in The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread   
    Rey took Leia's lightsabert to the desert planet (whatever it's called) so her spirit could be at peace with the place where she was a giant slug's sex slave. You know, closure and stuff.
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    Bayesian got a reaction from gkgyver in Hans Zimmer's NO TIME TO DIE (2020) - James Bond #25   
    That's definitely a part of the problem I have with Zimmer/Balfe/RCP. It's one thing that most of the music they write is trash, but they also have this irritating habit of leveraging their well-oiled PR machine to boast how much blood and sweat they put into it, how much time they labored over it, what stops they pulled to bring in the best talent they could find, what auditory miracles they invented this time around, blah blah blah.
     
    Of course, the only thing more unbearable than a talentless hack is a talentless hack who takes jobs away from the far more gifted likes of Joe Kraemer and then goes on to put out 2-CD releases of his hackery as if under the ridiculous impression his music actually deserves such treatment.
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    Bayesian got a reaction from Richard Penna in Hans Zimmer's NO TIME TO DIE (2020) - James Bond #25   
    That's definitely a part of the problem I have with Zimmer/Balfe/RCP. It's one thing that most of the music they write is trash, but they also have this irritating habit of leveraging their well-oiled PR machine to boast how much blood and sweat they put into it, how much time they labored over it, what stops they pulled to bring in the best talent they could find, what auditory miracles they invented this time around, blah blah blah.
     
    Of course, the only thing more unbearable than a talentless hack is a talentless hack who takes jobs away from the far more gifted likes of Joe Kraemer and then goes on to put out 2-CD releases of his hackery as if under the ridiculous impression his music actually deserves such treatment.
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    Bayesian reacted to Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Thanks! I think I'm going to retitle this one "Sith Artifact," since it seems to apply equally to the wayfinder, the dagger, and Palpatine's idiotic plan in general. When you ignore the variable melodic line above it and concentrate just on that underlying harmonic prorgession [two minor triads a semitone apart, e.g. Dm<=>Ebm and variants], it becomes more clear this is motivic.
     
    Got some other updates in store, including a few new incidental themes in TROS, and a promotion of Kylo Ren's redeemed main theme to full-blown leitmotivic status. Stay tuned.
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    Bayesian reacted to Demodex in The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread   
    TLJ didn't do anything to destroy SW lore. 
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    Bayesian reacted to crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread   
    Maybe, but it's still a plot contrivance that robs the 'sacrifice' of any dramatic payoff. The film is filled with copouts like that, where something dramatic happens to a character only for it to get walked back within minutes (Chewy's fake death, Kylo getting stabbed, Rey's fake death, Ben falling down the chasm, 3P0's memory wipe, etc.)
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    Bayesian reacted to Jay in Official Alternate THE TOWERING INFERNO cover art by Jim Titus - JWFan Exclusive   
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    Bayesian reacted to Erik Woods in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    My gift to you this holiday season. Here's my Fantasy End Credit suite of The Rise of Skywalker end title. I truly disliked the Finale cue on the album so my goal was to fix it by trying my best to eliminate as much previously established themes and only use new Rise of Skywalker themes and music in the suite.

    I hope you enjoy! IMO, this is a much more satisfying finale then what Williams gave to us on the album and in the film.
     
     
     
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    Bayesian got a reaction from armorb in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    The Training Course missing from the OST is an absolute tragedy. The whole cue is wonderful. 
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    Bayesian reacted to Holko in The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread   
    Quick unorganised thoughts:
     
    I looked though the Art of TFA book before seeing it and noticed a big vehicle that was basically one big tread with the controls and rooms inside. I though it was cool. Waddayaknow, Lando lives in it!
     
    So Palpatine wanted Rey dead then actually wanted her to kill him to take over her body. Was he supposed to be playing 5D chess, knowing Kylo would want to team up with her to kill him? But then when he pulled the dyad syphoning regeneration out of his ass is when I really felt I had enough of this.
     
    The Vader's Death tracking is horrible, didn't really notice any other examples.
     
    When Rey attacks Kylo in the DSII throne room and Kylo dodges a few of her hits before pulling the saber out, he uses some of the same moves ProjectedLuke used "against" him on Crait!
     
    Anytime Monaghan had a line I was expecting any actual character to say "I'm sorry, who the hell asked you? Who even are you?"
     
    The fragment of "Finn not telling Rey something" left in the film was weird.
     
    Jannah was weird, she could have been anyone else or left out with her not explicitly being Lando's daughter (that final scene is weiiird), but that would have been small universe syndrome again. It's nice that FInn knows he's not the only deserter but the phrasing of that scene rubs me the wrong way - is the Force now the Log Lady' log, giving seemingly random people pushes so they could accidentally end up in the right place in the right time a decade later? And is it really only possibly the Force turning off free will that a bunch of people didn't murder innocent civilians, not that, I don't know, they had some decency left in them after an improper brainwashing training?
     
    The dagger having a sextant or protractor or what was that was ludicrous, and I really have no idea how it was supposed to fit. I thought it would conform to the shape of the broken weapon dish but no.
     
    Kylo and Rey really just teleported out onto the... pier, I guess the deleted spacetimehopping was right before that. I loved that duel btw, it was intense, aggressive and mean, and finally utilised Force Powers but didn't overdo them.
     
    I loved the Pasaana sorce but hated the JW bar one. I could forgive anyone for missing the cameo with that headgear and lighting. I did like the medieval town feel of Kijimi.
     
    What was up with Finn and Poe just bickering?
     
    Palpatine almost looked CG most of the time, while Maz almost looked like a puppet in some shots.
     
    What was that Klaud thing?
     
    D-O was completely pointless throwaway stuff except for the one offscreen moment of Droid Ex Machina. Maybe if the movie had actual pacing they could have grown to know him and he, the abuse victim could have grown to trust them enough to share information?
     
    The Ewoks looked really really off, and having a victory montage with only 2 planets seems like a massive "why even bother" kind of waste.
     
    The "10.000.000 Star Destroyers vs 10.000.000 civilian ships" thing was so ridiculously overscaled and we saw so little of it that it had virtually no impact on me. The cue for the reveal is OK I guess but I like the OST+FYC combo of the finale without it better.
     
    The room was almost full, 5 days after the premiere and on the third non-dubbed showing in the only cinema in the city. Most of the jokes went over well, Hux being the spy got the biggest uproar of a reaction. The kiss got mostly nervous laughter and sounds of being slightly weirded out, but a girl behind me (who already let out a big gasp when Ben grabbed the ledge) let out such a heartfelt genuine sad "awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" that I couldn't help but like the scene more!
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    Bayesian reacted to crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker OST Album Discussion - NO FILM SPOILERS   
    It's kind of hard to quote anything except Duel of the Fates, considering all the exclusive prequel character themes are for dead characters. Unless we want him to pull a Ringwraiths in The Hobbit type of headscratcher (okay, arguably the Emperor's Theme in TLJ does this a little). 
     
    Maybe some of the more nebulous ideas like Anakin's Betrayal could have come back but, really, it's only in ROTS twice and hardly a recurring idea. 
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    Bayesian reacted to lairdo in John Williams cameo in The Rise of Skywalker   
    I was able to grab some pix during the movie yesterday. This sort of represents the best of what I could get with my phone on low brightness and basically in my lap. JW actually only has his eye(s) open for a very short time before looking down.
     
    About what is behind JW is definitely something that looks like a hook. The circular thing above that seems almost like the medallion from Raiders but when the shot widens, it looks less so. Clearly a droid's head to the right. Further to the right (but not in this image) is something that looks like a CB radio and on top of that some sort of lantern.
     
    Also, I doubt this was green screen. I think they just built a small part of a set behind him. It would have been less work than doing a composite shot, but I could be wrong.
     

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    Bayesian got a reaction from crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker OST Album Discussion - NO FILM SPOILERS   
    What's worse, for me, is reading the inevitable Zimmer comments in the vein of "Zimmer and Williams are living legends," "When JW's gone, there'll be Zimmer," etc. Fucking hell, it's like spam. It's so grubby and feculent to read comments invoking the Naked Emperor whenever something JW is posted on YouTube. I haven't checked out Disney's videos for this score, but I fully expect that it'll be the same situation there.
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    Bayesian reacted to Dixon Hill in What’s next for JW?   
    More concert music, I don't care what.
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    Bayesian reacted to Not Mr. Big in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Only on JWFan do people complain about a Star Wars score having too many new themes.
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    Bayesian reacted to Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) in How many times have you listened to the track The Rise of Skywalker?   
    Reposting from Twitter a little analysis I cooked up of this extraordinary piece of music:
     

     
    "Rise of Skywalker" concert arrangement based on two distinct but emotionally simpatico themes, a hymn (A) that's stated in full in the first minute (first woodwind choir, then strings), and a more lyrical, striving melody (B) that is stated over the next minute in strings and horns. The middle the piece is essentially a development section that sequences and composes out the B theme. Midway through, it becomes based on the music from the aftermath of the final battle in the movie.There's a big arrival back on the A-theme at 2:50, now much more fully orchestrated (in the film there's also chorus). This has some developmental qualities too (internal modulation to Db maj before returning to Bb), but overall serves a climactic & recapitulatory formal function. There are a few cadential delaying tactics before the very end, including a great brass chorale that evokes the conclusion of Rey's Theme nicely and a little rebel-fanfare-esque chromatic planing. The final bars make a brief, transformed statement of the B theme. 

    The unusual structure of this piece -- bithematic ternary with some light rotational and developing-variational features -- is characteristic of I guess you could call "late" period Williams SW concert arrangements. "Rebellion is Reborn" and "Galaxy's Edge" work similarly. Watching the way his approach concert arrangements have evolved over time is fascinating. The developmental, dare I say sonata-principle-esque, impulse seems to be getting stronger and stronger the older Williams gets. 

    In terms of melody & harmony, there's a nice mix of old and new here too. The A theme has a Lincoln-y quality, and the B-theme a War Horsey vibe (those tearjerking IV<=>iii progressions!), but I also get some ET, Amazing Stories, Midway, Spacecamp, even Close Encounters...I also hear Williams channeling Brahms quite strongly in the opening section, and echoes of Franck, Saint-Saens, and Prokofiev in the B-theme. As far as connections with Star Wars music, there seem to be some passing echoes of Rey (esp. her chimes), Rebel Fanfare, Jedi Steps, and March of the Resistance in there, plus Yoda/Young Anakin/Rose by dint of the lydian disposition of both A and B themes.

    Overall -- and my opinion will surely evolve over time -- I think it's an intensely beautiful, well-balanced, & sophisticated piece of music with a direct, heartfelt sentimentality that Williams does so well. Up there w/ Rey's theme as the best concert arr. of the ST.
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    Bayesian got a reaction from Þekþiþm in The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread   
    Anyone else find Dark Rey alluring and sexy AF? I don’t mean that cavalierly, either. I think it was definitely intentional. Her eyes and smile look like something out of a designer fragrance ad or magazine photo shoot or something. When side-by-side with the sweaty and stressed-out “good” Rey, it’s like DR is telling GR to just give in, ‘cause look how awesome I am—and you kinda want to agree. (But then DR’s face goes Palpatine-y and the moment is gone.)
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    Bayesian reacted to Kylo Ren in What’s next for JW?   
    I hope he writes another symphony or revises and records his first one.
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