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    Smaug The Iron reacted to crumbs in "The Escape" from TLJ Appreciation Thread.   
    Yes! I haven't heard Williams write anything like that since maybe the Spider escape cue in COS? Sounds like a crazed Russian dance or something, tremendous fun. 
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to crumbs in "The Escape" from TLJ Appreciation Thread.   
    Well said @Alex, it's a brilliant fusion of all three trilogies, and the performance/recording is seriously impressive. You'd swear it was the LSO performing it at the ROTS sessions if you didn't know otherwise.
     
    It feels like a close cousin to the Battle Over Coruscant too. What a shame the JJ sequels afforded him so few opportunities to break loose with the orchestra in this vein (and thank fuck for Rian Johnson!) 
     
    It is hard to fully judge based on the OST track though, because it's so frustratingly cut down (and there's even more unused material they deleted from the film!) 
     
    The complete version will make a stunning opening track on an expansion someday. 
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to Alex in "The Escape" from TLJ Appreciation Thread.   
    Unfortunately the sequel trilogy didn't really allow for JW to let loose with a lot bombastic action music, but the music at the beginning of TLJ will always be one of my favourite musical moments, especially the complete version. It has basically everything: Reworkings of motifs and themes from the OT, the musical style of the prequels and the developing of themes from TFA.
     
     
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to BrotherSound in RESTORED ISOLATED SCORE: Star Wars Saga (Unused Music Restored To Picture)   
    Looks like the tracked-over portion of ‘The Old Death Star’ (most likely from 5M10 Landing At ?) still fits the final edit of The Rise of Skywalker. In the film, this was replaced with bits of 0M1 Children’s School, 7M1 Seven One, and possibly 3M4 Quicksand!, though that title is conspicuously missing from the GEMA database, which typically contains only cues that actually appear in a film.
     
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fjlrlhc22G-y9se1KNgFG5ToQrUvULoD/view?usp=drivesdk
     
    The emphasis on Poe’s theme here in the film version definitely stood out to me as odd, so I wasn’t surprised to learn it wasn’t intended for this scene. Though it’s actually one of only two uses of Poe’s theme in the entire film. (The other is this same bit from 7M1, but where it was intended to be heard, during a later conversation between Finn and Poe.)
     
    Poe’s theme is also featured in ‘Battle of the Resistance’ (7M12 Seven Twelve), and ‘Reunion’ (9M3 Bows), but neither of these made the film.
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to Roll the Bones in Howard Shore's THE LORD OF THE RINGS   
    "Never tell me the takes!"

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    Smaug The Iron reacted to Jim Ware in Howard Shore's THE LORD OF THE RINGS   
    Twenty years ago today, Howard Shore took to the podium in front of the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra at Wellington Town Hall for the first Fellowship of the Ring recording session. 
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to Naïve Old Fart in The "(Fill in the Blank) Has Died" Thread   
    R.I.P. Helen McCrory. Dead at 52 yeas of age, from cancer.
    Just read on the BBC news website.
     
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to BrotherSound in RESTORED ISOLATED SCORE: Star Wars Saga (Unused Music Restored To Picture)   
    Despite being the Star Wars film that had the most music recorded—an astonishing 226 minutes!—The Rise of Skywalker must set a new record for tracking in the Star Wars films, borrowing over 7 minutes of music from 4 other episodes. There's more than 3 minutes from TFA, over 2 minutes from TLJ, about 1:30 from ROTS, and 0:45 from ROTJ. And even though there was already 6 minutes of tracked music in the November 11th cut, still more was added afterwards.
     
    I recently realized that part of the scene of Rey healing the snake appears to be tracked with 0M8 Saying Goodbye to the Fathier from The Last Jedi. Oddly, the excerpt in TROS is actually at the correct pitch; it was raised a half-step in TLJ (from the written C major to C-sharp). Here's a comparison:
     

     
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to Falstaft in RESTORED ISOLATED SCORE: Star Wars Saga (Unused Music Restored To Picture)   
    Brilliant work, @BrotherSound. 
     
    Heard in the right context, like this, you can really tell how much Williams knocked it out of the park in TROS when it came to emotionally satisfying, musically coherent long spans of densely thematic underscore. 
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to BrotherSound in RESTORED ISOLATED SCORE: Star Wars Saga (Unused Music Restored To Picture)   
    I was surprised to discover how much longer the OST version of 'We Go Together' from TROS is, even accounting for how the two parts (2M6 The Medal and 2M7 Ship Trip) were separated in the film, though it seems pretty clear the original intention was for them to overlap as they do on the OST.
     
    I'm fairly certain that unused march section was meant to accompany a brief deleted scene of Maz and Leia watching the Falcon depart: this exact dialogue is found in both the novelization from Rae Carson and junior novelization from Michael Kogge, and—in my opinion—seems to fit this bit of music perfectly.


    I'm less certain about the longer first section: there's a brief exchange between Rey and Rose here in Rey Carson's novelization, yet it's still longer than seems to fit. I've cut quite a bit of it out. The title of 2M6 The Medal is also a mystery, because there is notably no shot of Han's medal anywhere in this scene in the finished film. My speculation is that perhaps that opening flourish accompanied a shot of it. Notably, a similar flourish accompanies the appearance of Leia's saber much later in the film (in 7M10 Leia's Sabre, the last part of 'Destiny of a Jedi'). Or maybe the medal was glimpsed later when Rey and Leia say their goodbyes.
     
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to TownerFan in John Williams returns for Indiana Jones 5   
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to Edmilson in Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread   
    New trailer for Loki:
     
     
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    Smaug The Iron got a reaction from May the Force be with You in Varese Sarabande Digital Release   
    Great thread! Did not know they have so many digital releases. 
     
    You forgot Back to the future part 3
     
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to BrotherSound in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    Well, there’s still tons we don’t know yet. And as is the case with TFA, even with that information, it’s impossible to establish any “one, true order” of cues, because it was very much a moving target.
     
    However, with that disclaimer, here’s my best guess at fitting together all the know cues as intended, using the ordering from the original spotting from March 2019. Some of these are certain (like 1M20 Rey Training being a revision of music for the same basic scene as 1M4 Through the Jungle and 1M5 Rey Trains), but plenty are just my best guess based on the limited information available. It’s a bit of a fool’s errand, but I love this score enough to attempt it!
     
    I’ll group by scene since the order of many scenes changed over the months of post-production:
     
    Main Title
     
    1M1 Main Title
     
    Luke/Leia Duel (Original Opening)
     
    [1M2] Filial Fencing
     
    Rey Training
     
    1M3 Nothing Is Impossible
    [1M3R] 1M24 Meditation
    1M4 Through the Jungle
    1M5 Rey Trains
    [1M4R/1M5R] 1M20 Rey Training
     
    From Mustafar to Exegol
     
    [1M2R] 1M22 The Ninth Beginning
    1M6 Ren's Entrance
    [1M6R] 1M15 Vader’s Castle
    [1M6 Insert/1M5R] Ready to Be a Jedi
    [1M7] Uncharted Territory
    1M8 Approaching The Nursery [a.k.a. Approaching the Emperor]
     
    Back at the Resistance Base
     
    1M9 Rey Wakes Up
    [1M9R] 1M13 Tell Me What They Are
     
    Lightspeed Skipping
     
    2M1 Cockpit Dialog
    [2M1R] 1M14 Falcon’s Last Trip
    [2M1RR] 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping
    [Insert?] 1M26 Spy's Message
     
    Fixing the Helmet
     
    2M2 Fixing The Helmet
    [2M2R] 2M20 The Forge
     
    Preparing for the Mission
     
    2M3 The Wisdom of Maz
    2M4 The Emperor Lives
    [2M4R] 2M30 Rey's Mission
    [2M5] More Maz
    2M6 The Medal
    2M7 Ship Trip
     
    Pasaana Festival
     
    [2M8] 0M1 Children's School
    3M0 Lando
     
    Speeder Chase
     
    3M1 Before The Chase
    3M3 No Title
    3M4 Quicksand!
    [3M4R] 2M32 Quicksand 
     
    Knights of Ren
     
    3M6 Knights of Ren
     
    In the Tunnel
     
    3M7 Ochi and the Dagger
    [3M8] Tunnel Monster
     
    Desert Confrontation
     
    4M1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach
    4M2 Rey's Incredible Hand
     
    To Kijimi
     
    4M4 Zucini?
    4M5 To The End
    4M5B Good Ship, Bad Ship
     
    Note: 4M4 and 4M5 slates seem reversed
     
    Droid Workshop
     
    4M6 He Won't Remember
    4M7 Rey's Grief
    [4M8 or 4M9] Chewie's Interrogation
    4M10 Red Eyes
    4M11 Poe and Girlfriend
     
    On the Star Destroyer
     
    4M12 Ship Walk and Talk
    5M1 Meddling and Poe's Crush
    5M3 Hallway Shooting
    5M5 Rey Sees Mother
    5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of
    5M7 I'm The Spy
    5M8 Genealogy
     
    Death Star Ruins
     
    5M10 Landing At ?
    [5M10 Insert] It Fits!
    [5M11] The Feeling
    5M12 Off The Waterfront
     
    Rey in the Death Star
     
    6M2 Rey Climbs Pipes
    6M2A Climbing
    6M4 Daisy In A Veil
     
    Duel and the Death of Leia
     
    6M5 Leia Lies Down
    [6M6] The Last Fight
    6M7 Stop and Start
    6M8 Healing Wounds
    [6M9R] 5M30 Under a Blanket
     
    Destruction of Kijimi
     
    6M12 Six Twelve
     
    Resistance Base Again
     
    7M1 Seven One
     
    Ahch-To Island
     
    7M2 Rey Meets Luke
    [7M2 Insert] 6M20 Sabre Toss
    7M3 Luke's Advice
     
    Preparing for the Battle
     
    7M4 The Meeting
    7M5 March Of The Resistance
     
    Kylo Alone
     
    7M8 Father Knows Best
     
    Ahch-To Continued
     
    7M10 Leia's Sabre
    [7M10 Insert] Wayfinder Insert
     
    Battle of Exegol and Final Confrontation
     
    [7M11R] 6M13 Rey's Trip To P
    7M12 Seven Twelve
    7M12A Horses #2
    8M1 Approaching the Emperor #2
    [8M1R] 7M20 Approaching The Throne
    [8M2R] 7M21 More Action
    8M4 Psalm of the Sith
    [8M4R] 7M30 Parents
    8M5 Jumping The Chain
    [8M5R Pt. 1] 7M32 Make The Sacrifice
    [8M5R Pt. 2] Hero Fight
    [8M6R] 7M36 Dunkirk
    [8M6RR] The Dunkirk Shot
    8M7 Big Ship Blows Up
    8M8 On Their Knees
    [8M8R] Emperor’s Attack
    [8M9R] 7M28 Seeing Sights
    [8M9RR] 7M38 I Am All The Sith
    [8M9RR Insert] 7M44 Name That Tune
    8M10 Success and Sliding
    [8M11] Rey and Ren
    [8M11 Insert] 8M11A Dropping The Sabre
    [8M11R] 8M14 Ben to Rey
     
    Finale
     
    9M3 Bows
    9M5ALT Return to Tatooine
    [9M6R] 8M15 Horn Solo
    [9M7R] 8M16 End Credits
    [9M7 Insert] 8M17 Duel of the Fates Excerpt
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to May the Force be with You in What would have been your Oscar choice for Best Original Score? (2010's)   
    So I think it might be a good day to make give the JWFan academy awards:
     
    The winner for Best Original Score, according to the JWFan, are:
     
    70's (where the mention "none of them" was largely stronger I've decided not to declare a winner so some year might not appear for the other category than Original Score)
    1970: Patton by Jerry Goldsmith
    1970 Let It Be by The Beatles (Original Song Score)
    1971: Shaft by Isaac Hayes (I assumed that people who voted for none of them don't all have the same choice)
    1971: Fiddler on the Roof by John Williams (Scoring Adaptation)
    1972: The Godfather by Nino Rota ex aequo Images by John Williams
    1973: Papillon by Jerry Goldsmith
    1974: Chinatown by Jerry Goldsmith
    1975: Jaws by John Williams
    1975: Barry Lyndon by Leonard Rosenman (I assumed that people who voted for none of them don't all have the same choice)
    1976: The Omen by Jerry Goldsmith
    1977:  Star Wars by John Williams
    1978: Superman by John Williams
    1979: Star Trek: The Motion Picture by Jerry Goldsmith (although I know that many would have vote for Alien if it would have been nominated)
     
     
    80's (just the Original Score as in the other category the mention "none of them" is largely stronger)
    1980: Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back by John Williams (Shame on those who didn't voted for it )
    1981: Raiders of the Lost Ark by John Williams (again shame on them )
    1982: E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial by John Williams (....)
    1983: Star Wars: Return of the Jedi by John Williams
    1984: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom by John Williams
    1985: Out of Africa by John Barry
    1986: The Mission by Ennio Morricone
    1987: Empire of the Sun by John Williams
    1988: The Accidental Tourist by John Williams (I assumed that people who voted for none of them don't all have the same choice)
    1989: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by John Williams
     
    90's
    1990: Dance with the Wolves by John Barry
    1991: Hook by John Williams
    1992: Far and Away by John Williams
    1993: Schindler's List by John Williams
    1994: The Shawshank Redemption by Thomas Newman
    1995: Braveheart by James Horner (in the Dramatic Score Category)
    1995: Pocahontas by Alan Menken & Stephen Schartz ex aequo Sabrina by John Williams (Comedy Catergory)
    1996: The English Patient by Gabriel Yared ex aequo Sleepers by John Williams (I assumed that people who voted for none of them don't all have the same choice)
    1996: The Hunchback of Notre Dame by Alan Menken & Stephen Schartz (Comedy Category)
    1997: Titanic by James Horner (Dramatic Category)
    1997: Men in Black by Danny Elfman (I assumed that people who voted for none of them don't all have the same choice)
    1998: Saving Private Ryan by John Williams (Dramatic Category)
    1998: Mulan by Jerry Goldsmith (Comedy Category)
    1999: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace by John Williams
     
    2000's
    2000: Gladiator by Hans Zimmer
    2001: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring by Howard Shore
    2002: Catch Me If You Can by John Williams
    2003: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King by Howard Shore
    2004: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban by John Williams
    2005: Memoirs of a Geisha by John Williams
    2006: Pan's Labyrinth by Javier Navarrete (I assumed that people who voted for none of them don't all have the same choice)
    2007: Ratatouille by Michael Giacchino
    2008: WALL-E by Thomas Newman
    2009: Up by Michael Giacchino
     
    2010's
    2010: How to Train Your Dragon  by John Powell
    2011: War Horse by John Williams
    2012: Lincoln by John Williams
    2013: The Book Thief by John Williams
    2014: Interstellar by Hans Zimmer
    2015: Star Wars: The Force Awakens by John Williams
    2016: The BFG by John Williams
    2017: Star Wars: The Last Jedi by John Williams
    2018: Solo a Star Wars Story by John Powell & John Williams
    2019: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker by John Williams
     
    Total:
    John Williams: 31 wins (1971, 1972, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019)
    Jerry Goldsmith: 6 wins (1970, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1979, 1998)
    John Barry: 2 wins (1985, 1990)
    Thomas Newman: 2 wins (1994, 2008)
    James Horner: 2 wins (1995, 1997)
    Alan Menken: 2 wins (1995, 1996)
    Stephen Schartz: 2 wins (1995, 1996)
    Hans Zimmer: 2 wins (2000, 2014)
    Howard Shore: 2 wins (2001, 2003)
    Michael Giacchino: 2 wins (2007, 2009)
    John Powell: 2 wins (2010, 2018)
    The Beatles: 1 win (1970)
    Isaac Hayes: 1 win (1971)
    Nino Rota: 1 win (1972)
    Leonard Rosenman: 1 win (1975)
    Ennio Morricone: 1 win (1986)
    Gabriel Yared: 1 win (1996)
    Danny Elfman: 1 win (1997)
    Javier Navarrete: 1 win (2006)
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    Smaug The Iron reacted to BrotherSound in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    Sure! Though, unfortunately the GEMA database only has codes that show the initial appearance of each cue. In most films that wouldn’t make much difference, but some of these cues are tracked as many as 3-4 times, sometimes only for a few seconds. I’ve also denoted a few missing cues with asterisks that appear to be missing because of an issue with reused titles, and also none of the numerous tracked cues from other episodes are listed here.
     
     
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