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    Skelly got a reaction from Once in Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery (video game) musical similarities to JW's HP scores   
    Philosopher's Stone originally was released for PS1 and PC only, and those have synth samples only. By the time Chamber of Secrets came around I guess the music budget was increased and Soule was able to start recording that and subsequent titles with real orchestra. Philosopher's Stone for Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube was released in 2003, so Soule went back and recorded some of his PS tracks with the orchestra too, for that. So only the earliest games have pure synth, the others are at least mostly orchestral.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Docteur Qui in Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery (video game) musical similarities to JW's HP scores   
    Philosopher's Stone originally was released for PS1 and PC only, and those have synth samples only. By the time Chamber of Secrets came around I guess the music budget was increased and Soule was able to start recording that and subsequent titles with real orchestra. Philosopher's Stone for Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube was released in 2003, so Soule went back and recorded some of his PS tracks with the orchestra too, for that. So only the earliest games have pure synth, the others are at least mostly orchestral.
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    Skelly got a reaction from rpvee in Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery (video game) musical similarities to JW's HP scores   
    Yep, that's the track.
    I don't think EA got use of Williams's themes until Order of the Phoenix, and they milked the hell out of it in cutscenes.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Once in Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery (video game) musical similarities to JW's HP scores   
    Yep, that's the track.
    I don't think EA got use of Williams's themes until Order of the Phoenix, and they milked the hell out of it in cutscenes.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Once in Harry Potter: Hogwarts Mystery (video game) musical similarities to JW's HP scores   
    I have a soft spot for Soule's work on those games too; it's a shame they never got a very good release.
     
    Here's what an EA sound director said about whatever influence Williams had or didn't have on the sound of the games:

    "The other thing is that [Soule's] music's very close to the style of John Williams, and that feel works really well for Harry Potter. We did approach John Williams to see if we could license the score for Harry Potter. Everybody thinks 'The game's licensed from Warner Bros, so therefore you get instant access to the John Williams music,' but that isn't the case, because John Williams owns his own stuff. It would actually have cost us a fortune to use that music, and what we would have had was 90 minutes of very specific music written for the film, which we would then have had to jump through hoops producing edits for the game. So ultimately, yes, you'd get the sound of John Williams, but you wouldn't get music that was appropriate for what you were doing. So Jeremy was the best option, because he sounds like John Williams, and he can write music specifically for the bits of gameplay that we need it for."
     
    The "John Williams owns his own stuff" comment seems oversimplified or dubious to me.
    Also, on the PC version there's a file called "Invisible" in the music directory which sounds pretty darn close to Hedwig's Theme! As I recall it's not used in the actual game though.
     
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    Skelly got a reaction from Bilbo in Need to contact JW for cat video of SW ep IV   
    I think it would be safe to say that neither Williams nor the copyright holders would mind if people meow their music in public.
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    Skelly got a reaction from fatehbaz in THE LAST JEDI Trailer 2 MUSIC discussion   
    I doubt Williams would let some computer monkey composer debut his music, in typical trailer fashion, before he himself could introduce the piece properly.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Biodome in Need to contact JW for cat video of SW ep IV   
    I think it would be safe to say that neither Williams nor the copyright holders would mind if people meow their music in public.
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    Skelly got a reaction from John in Need to contact JW for cat video of SW ep IV   
    I think it would be safe to say that neither Williams nor the copyright holders would mind if people meow their music in public.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Bespin in Need to contact JW for cat video of SW ep IV   
    I think it would be safe to say that neither Williams nor the copyright holders would mind if people meow their music in public.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Will in Need to contact JW for cat video of SW ep IV   
    I think it would be safe to say that neither Williams nor the copyright holders would mind if people meow their music in public.
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    Skelly got a reaction from bollemanneke in Need to contact JW for cat video of SW ep IV   
    I think it would be safe to say that neither Williams nor the copyright holders would mind if people meow their music in public.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Holko in [Finished] Chamber of Secrets Thematic and Originality Analysis   
    Just a few notes to add on to your editing guide...
     
    5m1/5m2 Harry is a Parselmouth - interestingly, the extended cut of this scene has tracked material as well, but it's totally different - probably to better lead into the restored Harry moping around on the mountain scene. The extended cut of course has tracked music for nearly all of its new scenes, except for new material for a restored winter scene. This scene must have been something deleted a little later in editing.
    6m4A Entering the Diary - for whatever reason the pitch was changed for The Library Scene stuff. I think the tempo is the same though... weird.
    6m5 Ransacked Dormitory - that ending is probably something new by Ross, and I think the cue was entirely a new recording as opposed to tracked.
    8m2A The Chamber Opens - the opening of the cue is a new cue by Ross, and it segues into tracked stuff.
    8m2C Entering the Chamber - I don't really have anything to say except what the heck was the music editor doing when he kept looping those chimes over and over and over?
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    Skelly got a reaction from Arpy in La La Land Records Black Friday 2017   
    Something screwy happened to that ending; if you look at the rear channels of the DVD mix the music just disappears at about the same spot. And the teaser music was recorded separately, in 2000, and the second trailer cue was recorded a few months before the film's actual scoring sessions, so there's no reason to consider those "missing" from the bootleg.
     
     
    Williams had his writing schedule carefully set out for the year (just look at all the films he had to do in 2002, including a Star Wars!) but one of the Spielberg films had its scoring schedule bumped around, which was outside of Williams's control. Well shit, now he had to change his timetable and it was basically impossible to fully accommodate HP2 at this point. So he didn't necessarily bite off more than he could chew, he just wasn't lucky enough to have things turn out the way he had anticipated. To give you an idea of how far ahead Williams plots out his timetable, he hadn't even spotted the film by the time he offered the job to Ross.
     
    I don't understand why CoS gets all the distaste it does, just because Williams didn't personally write each note (actually I probably just stated the problem right there). But it wasn't as if Ross emulated Williams as a formality, Williams instead was very meticulous about what plays here and how it should sound here. If Williams had written the score 100% himself I bet it would sound more or less the same as it is - but with a little more daring variation for the recycled material. But it's not like we lost out on a Prisoner of Azkaban. And as Jay says, the amount of original material in CoS is way more than you'd think.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Brundlefly in La La Land Records Black Friday 2017   
    Something screwy happened to that ending; if you look at the rear channels of the DVD mix the music just disappears at about the same spot. And the teaser music was recorded separately, in 2000, and the second trailer cue was recorded a few months before the film's actual scoring sessions, so there's no reason to consider those "missing" from the bootleg.
     
     
    Williams had his writing schedule carefully set out for the year (just look at all the films he had to do in 2002, including a Star Wars!) but one of the Spielberg films had its scoring schedule bumped around, which was outside of Williams's control. Well shit, now he had to change his timetable and it was basically impossible to fully accommodate HP2 at this point. So he didn't necessarily bite off more than he could chew, he just wasn't lucky enough to have things turn out the way he had anticipated. To give you an idea of how far ahead Williams plots out his timetable, he hadn't even spotted the film by the time he offered the job to Ross.
     
    I don't understand why CoS gets all the distaste it does, just because Williams didn't personally write each note (actually I probably just stated the problem right there). But it wasn't as if Ross emulated Williams as a formality, Williams instead was very meticulous about what plays here and how it should sound here. If Williams had written the score 100% himself I bet it would sound more or less the same as it is - but with a little more daring variation for the recycled material. But it's not like we lost out on a Prisoner of Azkaban. And as Jay says, the amount of original material in CoS is way more than you'd think.
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    Skelly got a reaction from crumbs in THE LAST JEDI Trailer 2 MUSIC discussion   
    The music companies get themselves out there by producing DVDs of their tracks (usually in album format - they'll have their team write twelve tracks, maybe in a particular emotional tone, and give that collection an album title) and sending them to studios. From what I understand, Disney can't "send the trailer", at least the way you probably mean it, to several companies to start out with because it doesn't exist yet; they're still trying to figure out what they want it to be. Footage might not even be available yet - they might only have storyboard and script to use.
     
    But yeah, usually there will be several trailer houses which are trying to all try to get the job and pitch musical ideas based off of whatever directions Disney might give them. There's a difference between a trailer house and a music production company like Twelve Titans though; I don't think Twelve Titans would be involved at all in that early process, it's not until when Disney locks down what they like (and ask Felix Erskine to come aboard since they liked his TFA trailer music) that their music is licensed out, and custom tweaks and whatever can be done. If you're really unlucky you can be all set to have your music in a trailer, but then it goes to focus testing or something, and they decide that audiences will hate the music and they go in a different direction.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Ricard in THE LAST JEDI Trailer 2 MUSIC discussion   
    The music companies get themselves out there by producing DVDs of their tracks (usually in album format - they'll have their team write twelve tracks, maybe in a particular emotional tone, and give that collection an album title) and sending them to studios. From what I understand, Disney can't "send the trailer", at least the way you probably mean it, to several companies to start out with because it doesn't exist yet; they're still trying to figure out what they want it to be. Footage might not even be available yet - they might only have storyboard and script to use.
     
    But yeah, usually there will be several trailer houses which are trying to all try to get the job and pitch musical ideas based off of whatever directions Disney might give them. There's a difference between a trailer house and a music production company like Twelve Titans though; I don't think Twelve Titans would be involved at all in that early process, it's not until when Disney locks down what they like (and ask Felix Erskine to come aboard since they liked his TFA trailer music) that their music is licensed out, and custom tweaks and whatever can be done. If you're really unlucky you can be all set to have your music in a trailer, but then it goes to focus testing or something, and they decide that audiences will hate the music and they go in a different direction.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Will in THE LAST JEDI Trailer 2 MUSIC discussion   
    The music companies get themselves out there by producing DVDs of their tracks (usually in album format - they'll have their team write twelve tracks, maybe in a particular emotional tone, and give that collection an album title) and sending them to studios. From what I understand, Disney can't "send the trailer", at least the way you probably mean it, to several companies to start out with because it doesn't exist yet; they're still trying to figure out what they want it to be. Footage might not even be available yet - they might only have storyboard and script to use.
     
    But yeah, usually there will be several trailer houses which are trying to all try to get the job and pitch musical ideas based off of whatever directions Disney might give them. There's a difference between a trailer house and a music production company like Twelve Titans though; I don't think Twelve Titans would be involved at all in that early process, it's not until when Disney locks down what they like (and ask Felix Erskine to come aboard since they liked his TFA trailer music) that their music is licensed out, and custom tweaks and whatever can be done. If you're really unlucky you can be all set to have your music in a trailer, but then it goes to focus testing or something, and they decide that audiences will hate the music and they go in a different direction.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Will in THE LAST JEDI Trailer 2 MUSIC discussion   
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    Skelly got a reaction from Will in THE LAST JEDI Trailer 2 MUSIC discussion   
    "Sounds like there's an orchestra, it must be John Williams!!"
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    Skelly got a reaction from toothless in THE LAST JEDI Trailer 2 MUSIC discussion   
    "Sounds like there's an orchestra, it must be John Williams!!"
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    Skelly got a reaction from Will in THE LAST JEDI Trailer 2 MUSIC discussion   
    I doubt Williams would let some computer monkey composer debut his music, in typical trailer fashion, before he himself could introduce the piece properly.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Arpy in [Finished] Chamber of Secrets Thematic and Originality Analysis   
    That's not at all what I'm hearing. I think it's the "Nimbus 2000" theme. Whereas usually it's playful and excited, here it's all restrained and uptight and tries its damndest to be "respectable", like the Dursleys themselves. It's like the Dursleys are taking that magical theme and sucking all the fun out of it.
     
    Now, there is the "Dueling Club" cue (4m4) where Lockhart's theme does sort of sound like 1m3A in terms of atmosphere (for lack of a better word) but they're two separate ideas as far as I can tell.
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    Skelly got a reaction from Holko in [Finished] Chamber of Secrets Thematic and Originality Analysis   
    That's not at all what I'm hearing. I think it's the "Nimbus 2000" theme. Whereas usually it's playful and excited, here it's all restrained and uptight and tries its damndest to be "respectable", like the Dursleys themselves. It's like the Dursleys are taking that magical theme and sucking all the fun out of it.
     
    Now, there is the "Dueling Club" cue (4m4) where Lockhart's theme does sort of sound like 1m3A in terms of atmosphere (for lack of a better word) but they're two separate ideas as far as I can tell.
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    Skelly reacted to Will in What exactly did William Ross do in Harry Potter the Chamber of Secrets   
    Yeah, he uses pencil. 
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