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    DominicCobb reacted to crumbs in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    This is where it gets hard doing score restore videos because Williams clearly scored a very different version of the film for many cues on the OST.
     
    Rather than conform the music to fit the final picture (the film already does that) I've tried to find the best fit for the music with slight edit changes to help it fit. Surprisingly, not much needed to be done for either of these two cues (although I did repeat a couple of shots just to fill some dead space).

    Obviously Journey to Exogol went totally unused while Prologue was only partially used in the final cut (it was mostly dialled out or replaced with tracked music). So here is all the music restored with my best approximation of what Williams was trying to accomplish, synced to film based on what remained of these cues in the final cut. The music for Kylo Ren entering the temple is a noteworthy addition that was dialled out in the final cut:
     

     
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    DominicCobb reacted to kelliwisethebrave in TRoS - the film an embarrassment, the score buried?   
    As I said in my post, we're never going to agree on these things. We don't agree on what is even happening in the scenes so we're not going to agree on what they mean.
     
    As a side note, check out the excellent comic series The Rise of Kylo Ren written by Charles Soule and illustrated by Will Sliney (the final issue came out on Wednesday). A lot of people like me had things we theorized and inferred about the character confirmed by the comic.
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    DominicCobb reacted to kelliwisethebrave in TRoS - the film an embarrassment, the score buried?   
    I think we disagree entirely on the thematic effect and meaning of his redemption (for example, I thought it was foreshadowed from TFA and only reinforced in TLJ), and what his story is supposed to mean. and what Star Wars is supposed to mean (i.e. mythic fairy tale vs. realistic one-to-one morality play). Vader himself did worse things and for longer, as did other characters in Star Wars - who also were redeemed (and some of them even lived and were forgiven, and happy, like Agent Kallus!) - and remember if a character deserved to be redeemed, they wouldn't need it (paraphrasing a C.S. Lewis quote). I'll agree with you that it should have been done better (and could have been done better) but that's on JJ and Chris Terrio. At the end of the day I'm just glad it happened and that John Williams wrote fantastic music for it. 
    But that we disagree is OK. Star Wars can mean different things to different people. Not interested in rehashing it any further online at this point. That's what twitter is for. 
     
    Again, disagree. But I think if he was going to disappear (die?) the kiss is too cruel to Rey, so he should have lived and continued the journey of atonement if it was going to happen.
    Yet again, it obviously works for some people and doesn't for others so we don't need to argue the fine points endlessly. I suppose there's some hypocrisy in me continuing to respond, but since it appears few on this board share my opinion, I felt obligated to respond to show that not everyone here feels the same.
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    DominicCobb reacted to kelliwisethebrave in TRoS - the film an embarrassment, the score buried?   
    On the other hand, I see Ben's redemption as one of the few good things, plot-wise, in the movie. Different strokes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
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    DominicCobb reacted to DrTenma in TRoS - the film an embarrassment, the score buried?   
    I didn't liked the movie, it was one of my biggest movie disappointments in my life because I liked very much episodes VIII and VII. I think they could have done something better and after the death of Carrie Fisher I'd moved the last instalment to this year, in order to write a better script and take more time to edit the movie. I don't think it was SW-fatigue but a too tight schedule for a "big movie". 
     
    Anyway, speaking of the music, I love it but definitely in the movie doesn't sound as good as it should. Is not well edited, there's too many tracked music for my taste and in many cases the music is simply buried with sfx. An expanded release would definitely put more interest in the score and specially if we can listen to original ideas and themes from Williams. 
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    DominicCobb reacted to Thor in TRoS - the film an embarrassment, the score buried?   
    Save the movies? The first two are great, easily favourites of each respective year. The third leaves something to be desired, but still a solid 20th place on last year's list.
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    DominicCobb reacted to dylanskie in The Rise of Skywalker - For Your Consideration (FYC) Album Discussion   
    That's crazy. I love music, but I wouldn't think about paying $2000 for something that I already have in barely noticeable quality (to my ears). I understand the desire for the physical CD, but still. It's wishful thinking, but I really hope there's a chance that Disney will see how much it went for and start making plans for complete score releases!
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    DominicCobb reacted to Tydirium in Favorite short musical moments in Williams scores?   
    Anybody else absolutely love the little Imperial March triplet at 0:41 of "Journey to Exegol"?
     
     
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    DominicCobb reacted to The Illustrious Jerry in Ludwig Göransson's THE MANDALORIAN (2019-present)   
    A Thematic Breakdown of:
    THE MANDALORIAN: SEASON ONE
    Music composed by Ludwig Goransson
    Part 3 of 4
     
    Themes in Chapters 5 & 6 (in order of appearance)
    Fanfare
    * Dramatic Utility Motif
    Razor Crest
    Western Motif
    Jawa Motif
    Speederbikes A & B
    Recorder Riff
    The Child 
    Gang Theme
    String Idea A - Jagged Violin
    String Idea B - Delicate Violin
    Toccata and Fugue (BVW 565 - Johann Sebastian Bach) (borrowed)
     
    * - utility refers to the fact that Goransson uses the theme(s) whenever he needs to without leitmotific significance
     
    CHAPTER 5: THE GUNSLINGER
    1. Warm or Cold (1:40)
    0:11  Fanfare (partial variation)
    0:28  Fanfare
    0:45  Dramatic Utility Motif
    0:56  Dramatic Utility Motif (variation)
    1:14  Razor Crest
    1:25  Western Motif (piano w/ interlude)
    1:31  Western Motif (piano)
     
    2. Bright Eyes (1:41)
    No thematic material present.
     
    3. Stuck with Me Now (2:27)
    No thematic material present. 
     
    4. Speederbikes (1:22)
    0:11  Jawa Motif (rhythm)
    0:18  Speederbikes A
    0:34  Speederbikes A
    0:40  Speederbikes (guitar variation)
             Jawa Motif (rhythm)
    0:55  Speederbikes A
     
    5. Raiders (1:21)
    0:02  Fanfare (ascending closing figure)
    0:12  Fanfare (ascending closing figure)
     
    6. Night Riders (3:30)
    0:00  Jawa Motif (rhythm)
    0:14  Speederbikes A
    0:16  Speederbikes A
    0:21  Speederbikes A
    0:52  Jawa Motif (rhythm)
    1:00  Speederbikes A
    1:06  Speederbikes A
    1:17  Speederbikes A
    1:21  Speederbikes A
    1:24  Speederbikes B
    3:06  Speederbikes B
     
    7. The Hangar (6:07)
    0:00  Speederbikes B
    0:06  Fanfare (descending closing figure)
    0:09  Speederbikes B (variation)
    0:23  Speederbikes B
    0:26  Speederbikes B
    0:30  Speederbikes B
    3:41  Western Motif (piano)
    3:54  Western Motif (piano w/ interlude)
             Recorder Riff
    4:00  Western Motif (strings w/ interlude)
    4:06  Western Motif (strings)
    4:30  (see 2:23 of The Egg from Chapter 2)
     
    8. Farewell (2:10)
    0:00  The Child (opening) (orchestral variation)
    0:08  The Child (orchestral variation)
    0:35  The Child (orchestral variation)
    1:11  Fanfare (variation)
    1:34  Recorder Riff (brass variation)
     
    CHAPTER 6: THE PRISONER
    1. Welcome Back (3:50)
    0:22  Recorder Riff
    0:46  Dramatic Utility Motif
    0:52  String Idea A - Jagged Violin
    0:59  String Idea B - Delicate Violin
    1:55  Gang Theme 
    2:03  Gang Theme
     
    2. The Gang (2:07)
    0:36  String Idea A - Jagged Violin
    1:42  Western Motif (piano w/ distorted guitar)
    1:47  Western Motif (piano)
     
    3. Greatest Warriors in the Galaxy (1:30)
    0:00  Recorder Riff (variation)
    0:23  Recorder Riff (variation)
    0:46-1:08  Recorder Riff (partial variation) (repeating)
     
    4. Let's Just Do It (1:23)
    0:00  String Idea B - Delicate Violin (partial variation)
    0:15  String Idea B - Delicate Violin
     
    5. Hyperspace (2:51)
    0:05  Gang Theme
    0:11  Gang Theme
    0:18  Gang Theme
    0:24  Gang Theme
    0:56  Recorder Riff (orchestral variation)
    2:09  String Idea A - Jagged Violin
     
    6. Little Mousey (2:55)
    0:00-0:38  Toccata and Fugue
     
    7. Tracking Beacon (2:59)
    1:15-2:11  Toccata and Fugue (variation)
    2:17  String Idea A - Jagged Violin
    2:48  Fanfare (ascending closing figure)
     
    8. My Saviour (1:08)
    0:15-0:45  Toccata and Fugue (variation)
    0:46  Toccata and Fugue (variation)
     
    9. Mando on the Move (1:14)
    0:00  Recorder Riff (variation)
    0:27-0:48  Recorder Riff (partial variation) (repeating)
    0:51  Recorder Riff (variation)
     
    10. Nice Family (2:26)
    0:09  Gang Theme
    0:15  Gang Theme
    0:20  Gang Theme
    0:26  Gang Theme
    0:31  Gang Theme
    1:03  Toccata and Fugue
    1:13  Toccata and Fugue
    1:22  Toccata and Fugue
    1:31  Toccata and Fugue
    1:48  Toccata and Fugue
    2:16  (see 2:23 of The Egg from Chapter 2)
     
    11. Mando's Back (7:16)
    0:46  String Idea A - Jagged Violin
    1:09-1:22  Toccata and Fugue
    1:24-1:41  Toccata and Fugue
    2:05  (see 2:23 of The Egg from Chapter 2)
    3:33  String Idea A - Jagged Violin
    5:55  Recorder Riff
    6:19  Recorder Riff
    7:01  Jawa Motif (rhythm)
     
    And there it is. Chapters 5 and 6 proved quite bothersome (in the best of ways, naturally) for a number of reasons. Again, thematic occurrences are sparse and often non-present, but when they do appear they are at their most tangled and tricky to decipher, with massive variation and heavy layering. All the same, this complexity is a testament to the engineering of Goransson's music, especially the mixing between orchestral and electronic textures. I'm most confident that this third part of my analysis is not entirely correct (even after multiple close listens I find myself questioning), so if you have the time and passion to scrutinize the score yourself it wouldn't hurt to cross-examine. 
     
    Thanks again for the encouragement as I head into Part Four (cue triumphant rendition of Razor Crest)! Just a disclaimer though: I likely won't get around to Chapters 7 and 8 for a little while as I've been incredibly busy getting through some family matters and such, so if I haven't posted it by tomorrow you can expect to wait until next weekend. 
     
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    DominicCobb reacted to mrbellamy in Hans Zimmer's top 40 film scores of all time - he included 2 John Williams scores   
    There would be tons of concert arrangements in my top 40, I dunno wtf y’all are talking about.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Bofur01 in John Williams Best Score Oscar Nomination for The Rise of Skywalker!   
    I think you're all overthinking it. Like all Oscar categories, it's not really "Best Score," it's "Most Score." They give it to the score that's most prominent. There are many moments in Joker where the score is basically the only thing you hear in the mix. It carries a lot of scenes. I personally don't think the score is very good, but it is incredibly prominent. I'd almost even call it obnoxious in its use. But they love that stuff. It's super sad music for the sad clown movie. It'll win for that reason alone. I'd wager the majority of voters have no idea it was composed by a woman, and that won't factor much into their voting at all.
     
    The politics of Oscar choices are incredibly overstated. Year after year we end up with majority white and male nominees and winners. Most of the voters are old white dudes who don't care about diversity. It's a misconception that they're always trying to be progressive.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from The Five Tones in John Williams Best Score Oscar Nomination for The Rise of Skywalker!   
    I think you're all overthinking it. Like all Oscar categories, it's not really "Best Score," it's "Most Score." They give it to the score that's most prominent. There are many moments in Joker where the score is basically the only thing you hear in the mix. It carries a lot of scenes. I personally don't think the score is very good, but it is incredibly prominent. I'd almost even call it obnoxious in its use. But they love that stuff. It's super sad music for the sad clown movie. It'll win for that reason alone. I'd wager the majority of voters have no idea it was composed by a woman, and that won't factor much into their voting at all.
     
    The politics of Oscar choices are incredibly overstated. Year after year we end up with majority white and male nominees and winners. Most of the voters are old white dudes who don't care about diversity. It's a misconception that they're always trying to be progressive.
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    DominicCobb reacted to Disco Stu in John Williams Best Score Oscar Nomination for The Rise of Skywalker!   
    Why does everyone talk like they're being bitterly forced to pay attention to this stuff?  Unlike politics, this has literally ZERO potential to affect your daily life in any way!  If awards season doesn't interest you or brings out your most cynical takes, you don't have to pay attention!  Billions of people do it every year!
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Mattris in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    I mean, in terms of action cues, it's very short of course but there's no moment for me in TROS that matches Holdo's Resolve. That's a cue that doesn't mickey mouse, and yet is perfectly synced to the visuals and works perfectly across 4 or 5 different intercutting locations to build one of the most fantastic and suspenseful moments in the film.
     
     
    The next cue, Chrome Dome, does have some stabbing and mickey mousing, and that's part of what makes it great for me.
     
     
    Love the cue/scene or not, there's not many moments in TROS where the music is this prominent and tied to the action.
     
    Ultimately, when I think of TLJ action cues, I always think of The Supremacy. What a great cue that perfectly weaves the thematic material with the fast paced thrills and dread of the sequence. Not much stabby or mickey-mousy about that one either. 
     
     
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Will in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    Lot of things to observe here. The first that I'm noticing is that Peace and Purpose isn't listed as tracked, so the version of the film at this point still had Williams's original music for that scene (8M07 Big Ship Blows Up?).
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    DominicCobb reacted to Jay in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    You're right!

    I just realized what it is.  This document only covered a reel one up to 12:39:01, but reels are around 20 minutes each.  So likely the Exegol sequence with Kylo meeting The Emperor would have all been at the end of reel 1, after Lightspeed Skipping, but it's not included in this document.
     
    Since the ending Kylo vs Knights / Rey vs Guards lightsaber battle music is skipped past too in the doc, in both cases maybe the music hadn't been recorded yet at the time they compiled this info, or perhaps were just skipped over in the doc for some other reason.
     
    I think a similar document to this one but for the final cut of the film would be more interesting in some ways, since we'd know exactly what every piece of music we can hear in the final cut is, but in other ways this is more interesting since it reveals how much footage was eventually cut out and how reel 1 was completely reshaped.
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    DominicCobb reacted to Holko in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    That could very well be for Poe telling everyone the info, not long after Lightspeed Skipping.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from crumbs in Sound mixer Ren Klyce talks about mixing JW's music for The Last Jedi   
    Too bad Ren wasn't on TROS...
     
    Also, unlike the other two films in the trilogy, TROS missed the Sound Mixing Oscar nomination. Deservedly. 
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from MikeH in Sound mixer Ren Klyce talks about mixing JW's music for The Last Jedi   
    Too bad Ren wasn't on TROS...
     
    Also, unlike the other two films in the trilogy, TROS missed the Sound Mixing Oscar nomination. Deservedly. 
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    DominicCobb reacted to Jay in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    Perhaps!
     
     
     
     
     
    Every track on the OST is more than one cue edited together
     
     
     
     
    When JW would have sat down to the watch the film for the first time with JJ, they would have "spotted" the film, meaning decided where within each reel music would start and stop, and they'd have some discussions about tone and possibly themes to use.  At this point there'd be a list of cues that are all in order, in the same order as the cut of the film they just watched, and JW would have gone off to start writing them. 
     
    Well, as he started writing, JJ continually re-edited the film, so after a series of major edits, the cue list would be "re-balanced", meaning cues that were originally in one place may now be in another.  The third cue of reel 2 could not be the last cue in reel 1, or whatever.  Sometimes, on some scores, they reflect this by renumbering them, IE 2M1 becaomes NEW 1M10 or something.  Sometimes not.  Usually once something's recorded, or even just fully orchestrated, it just lives with that original numbering forever, and the music team just keeps track of what everything was meant for and where everything goes.
     
    In the olden days, this was less of an issue.  In the modern days, with so many tools allowing directors to easily edit and re-edit their picture, and the music along with it, it gets more complicated.
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    DominicCobb reacted to Jay in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    And here's all the info from the document, in a nice readable table!
     

    ## # Start End Title Dur Orig Old Other Old Notes         REEL ONE v9DC2           1 1 00:23:20 01:50:03 1M01 Main Title 1:26   1:26   Star Wars 1:26 2 2 01:50:03 02:30:13 1M022 The Ninth Beginning 0:40 0:34 0:06   Kylo :06 3 3 02:30:13 04:34:05 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 2:04 1:53 0:11   Kylo :11 4 4 04:34:05 04:48:12 1M15 Vader's Castle 0:14   0:14   Vader :14 5 5 04:48:12 05:31:15 8M04 Psalm of the Sith 0:43 0:43       6 6 05:31:15 06:01:17 1M24 Meditation 0:30 0:18 0:12   Force :12 7 7 06:01:17 06:19:09 1M09 Rey Wakes Up 0:18 0:18       8 8 06:19:09 07:49:12 1M20 Rey Training 1:30 1:05 0:25   Rey :15 Vader :06 Kylo :04 9 9 07:49:12 08:13:10 1M05 Rey Trains 0:24 0:24       10 10 08:21:13 08:30:20 2M03 The Wisdom of Maz 0:09 0:09       11 11 08:30:20 09:23:12 1M13 Tell Me What They Are 0:53 0:53       12 12 10:07:17 12:39:01 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping 2:31 2:15 0:16   Emperor :05 Resistance :04 Falcon :07         REEL TWO v9DC3           13 1 00:08:00 02:10:00 2M30 Rey's Mission 2:02 1:22 0:40   Emperor :10 Rey :20 Force :10 14 2 02:10:00 02:52:20 2M20 The Forge 0:43 0:23 0:20   Kylo :20 15 3 02:59:05 04:50:08 2M06 The Medal 1:51 1:29 0:22   Force :22 16 4 04:50:08 06:03:13 2M02 Fixing The Helmet 1:13 1:07 0:06   Kylo :06 17 5 06:03:13 06:34:21 2M07 Ship Trip 0:31 0:31       18 6 06:28:01 07:32:10 2S35 JJ Festival Music 1:04     1:04   19 7 07:32:10 09:38:01 0M01 Children's School 2:05 1:41 0:24   Rey :10 Kylo :14 20 8 09:38:01 10:10:17 2M01 Cockpit Dialog 0:33 0:33       21 9 10:10:17 10:27:15 8M05 Jumping The Chain 0:17 0:17       22 10 10:27:15 10:56:23 3M00 Lando 0:29 0:29       23 11 10:56:23 11:40:13 5M10 Landing At ? 0:43 0:43       24 12 11:40:13 12:43:19 3M00 Lando 1:03 0:50 0:13   Leia :13 25 13 12:43:19 13:13:05 3M01 Before The Chase 0:29 0:29       26 14 13:13:05 15:29:07 3M03 No Title 2:16 2:05 0:11   Rey :11 27 15 15:41:22 16:08:00 2M32 Quicksand 0:28 0:28               REEL THREE v9DC4           28 1 00:08:03 00:43:10 3M07 Ochi and the Dagger 0:37 0:37       29 2 01:16:00 02:35:06 3M07 Ochi and the Dagger 1:19 1:19       30 3 02:51:05 04:01:03 6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes 1:10 1:10       31 4 04:01:03 04:48:04 2M04 The Emperor Lives 0:47 0:22 0:25   Rey :11 Force :14 32 5 04:48:04 05:02:08 3M06 Knights of Ren 0:14 0:14       33 6 05:02:08 05:19:18 2M07 Ship Trip 0:17 0:17       34 7 05:19:18 07:46:09 4M01 Rey Senses Ren's Approach 2:26 2:15 0:11   Resistance :11 35 8 08:48:10 09:55:22 4M02 Rey's Incredible Hand 1:07 0:57 0:10   Kylo :10 36 9 10:11:15 10:40:03 8M08 On Their Knees 0:28 0:28       37 10 10:59:11 11:37:19 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:38 0:38       38 11 11:28:04 12:23:09 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk 0:55 0:55       39 12 13:01:13 13:28:18 4M05 To The End 0:27 0:27       40 13 13:28:18 14:13:15 4M05B Good Ship, Bad Ship 1:50 1:50       41 14 14:13:15 14:37:19 2M04 The Emperor Lives 0:24 0:13 0:11   Rey :11 42 15 15:26:15 17:13:05 4M04 Zucini? 1:46 1:46       43 16 17:13:05 17:22:14 5M03 Hallway Shooting 0:09 0:09       44 17 17:22:14 17:39:01 3S35 JJ Bar Source 0:16     0:16   45 18 18:42:17 19:34:04 4M06 He Won't Remember 0:51 0:43 0:08   Star Wars :08 46 19 19:35:21 19:58:14 1M06 Ren's Entrance 0:22 0:22               REEL FOUR v9 DC 5           47 1 00:53:21 02:01:13 4M11 Poe and Girlfriend 1:07 1:07       48 2 02:08:07 02:40:04 4M36 from Ep.8 Luke and Rey 0:32     0:32   49 3 02:40:04 03:39:14 4M10 Red Eyes 1:09 1:05 0:04   Kylo :04 50 4 03:51:12 05:45:00 5M01 Meddling and Poe's Crush 1:53 1:42 0:11   Kylo :11 51 5 05:54:08 08:05:12 5M03 Hallway Shooting 2:11 2:04 0:07   Resistance:07 52 6 08:06:12 08:55:13 5M05 Rey Sees Mother 0:49 0:42 0:07   Vader :07 53 7 09:07:19 11:27:03 5M06 Hard To Get Rid Of 2:19 2:08 0:11   Emperor :11 54 8 11:27:03 12:58:23 5M07 I'm The Spy 1:31 1:16 0:15   Rey :08, Kylo :04, Star Wars :03 55 9 12:59:00 15:16:03 5M08 Geneology 2:17 2:09 0:08   Star Wars :04, Rey :04 56 10 15:16:03 15:44:19 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk 0:29 0:29       57 11 15:49:05 16:11:10 4M07 Rey's Grief 0:22 0:22       58 12 16:11:10 16:28:23 5M46R from Ep.7 Kylo Stalks Rey 0:32     0:32   59 13 16:28:23 17:02:07 6M56E from Ep.7 Ren In Cockpit 0:33     0:33   60 14 17:02:07 18:19:06 5M10 Landing At ? 1:17 1:17               REEL FIVE v9DC3           61 1 00:51:18 01:15:04 4M36R from Ep.7 I Ran Into You 0:23     0:23   62 2 01:15:04 01:41:13 2M06 The Medal 0:26 0:12 0:14   Force :14 63 3 01:41:13 02:45:11 5M12 Off The Waterfront 1:03 1:03       64 4 02:57:01 03:31:14 6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes 0:34 0:34       65 5 03:52:03 04:20:08 6M02A Climbing 0:28 0:28       66 6 04:20:08 05:05:23 13M2 from Ep.6 Vader's Death 0:45     0:45   67 7 06:59:16 07:49:13 6M04 Daisy In A Veil 0:50 0:50       68 8 07:49:13 07:55:17 6M05 Leia Lies Down 0:06 0:06       69 9 07:55:17 08:18:20 6M50R from Ep.7 Han and Leia Reunion 0:23     0:23   70 10 09:52:05 11:17:23 6M07 Stop and Start 1:26 1:20 0:06   Kylo :06 71 11 11:34:21 13:36:13 6M08 Healing Wounds 2:02 1:52 0:10   Force :10 72 12 13:36:13 14:37:13 5M30 Under a Blanket 1:01 0:11 0:50   Leia :50 73 13 15:15:19 16:56:12 7M08 Father Knows Best 1:43 1:43       74 14 16:56:12 07:14:23 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:18 0:18       75 15 17:14:23 17:34:04 1M06 Ren's Entrance 0:19 0:19               REEL SIX V9DC5           76 1 00:08:04 00:47:01 6M12 Six Twelve 0:39 0:39       77 2 01:05:13 01:25:21 7M03 from Ep.3 The Birth of the Twins 0:20     0:20   78 3 01:25:21 02:15:00 7M05 from Ep.3 Plans for the Twins 0:49     0:49   79 4 02:20:02 02:51:12 7M01 Seven One 0:31 0:31       80 5 02:51:12 03:10:21 7M02 Rey Meets Luke 0:19 0:19       81 6 03:10:21 03:17:04 6M20 Sabre Toss 1:45 1:29 0:16   Rey :06 Force :10 82 7 04:05:17 05:03:02 7M03 Luke's Advice 0:57 0:30 0:27   Rey :13 Force :14 83 8 05:03:02 07:33:22 7M10 Leia's Sabre 2:31 1:15 1:16   Leia :15 Star Wars :15 Yoda :46 84 9 08:21:03 08:36:23 3M26R from Ep.7 You're Han Solo? 0:16     0:16   85 10 08:36:23 08:46:01 5M10 Landing At ? 0:09 0:09       86 11 08:46:01 09:39:03 6M55R from Ep.7 Council Meeting 0:53     0:53   87 12 09:39:03 10:08:23 7M04 The Meeting 0:30 0:30       88 13 10:08:23 10:46:00 7M05 March Of The Resistance 0:37   0:37   Resistance :37 89 14 10:46:01 11:10:08 8M77 from Ep.7 March Of The Resistance 0:24     0:24   90 15 11:10:08 11:42:02 6M13 Rey's Trip To P 0:32 0:32       91 16 11:42:02 12:00:07 7M03 from Ep.3 The Birth Of The Twins 0:18     0:18   92 17 12:00:07 12:56:21 1M26 Spy's Message 0:56 0:56       93 18 12:56:21 13:36:23 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:40 0:22 0:18   Emperor :18 94 19 13:37:01 14:57:05 7M12 Seven Twelve 1:20 1:06 0:14   Star Wars :04, Force :10 95 20 14:57:05 15:33:18 7M12A Horses #2 0:36 0:23 0:13   Force :13         REEL SEVEN v9 DC7           96 1 00:08:00 02:34:09 7M20 Approaching The Throne 2:27 2:27       97 2 02:34:09 04:09:16 7M21 Parents 1:35 1:35       98 3 04:46:01 06:52:07 7M30 More Action 2:06 2:06       99 4 06:52:07 08:36:01 7M32 Make The Sacrifice 1:43 1:43       100 5 10:59:06 12:41:10 7M36 Dunkirk 1:42 1:42       101 6 14:04:12 17:12:20 7M38 I Am All The Sith 3:08 3:08       102 7 17:12:20 18:08:21 8M07 Big Ship Blows Up 0:56 0:56       103 8 18:08:03 18:46:13 8M10 Success and Sliding 0:38 0:31 0:07   Falcon :07 104 9 18:46:22 19:37:15 8M11A Dropping The Sabre 0:50 0:20 0:30   Rey:30         REEL EIGHT v9 DC5           105 1 00:16:00 04:32:00 8M14 Ben to Rey 4:16 4:16       106 2 04:32:00 07:50:05 9M03 Bows 3:18 1:15 2:03   Star Wars :08, Force :19, Yoda :40 Rey:13 Luke &Leia :43 107 3 08:00:15 09:42:15 9M05ALT Return to Tatooine 1:42 1:42       108 4 09:48:04 10:21:21 8M15 Horn Solo 0:33   0:33   Force :33 109 5 10:21:12 22:37:00 8M16 End Credits 12:00 10:30 1:30   Star Wars :30 Rey 1:00                             Total Music in Film 2:03:56                 Total Thematic Material from Eps. 4, 5, 6     10:31             Total Thematic Material from Ep. 7     6:00             Total Cues from Previous Episodes       6:08           Total Source       1:20           Total Original Music (80.55%)   1:39:50      
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    DominicCobb reacted to Jay in JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed   
    An anonymous tipster has sent JWFan some information that I can share with you now!
     
    The information is a list of cues that appeared in a cut of the film dated November 11th, 2019.  Remember, the final day of recording sessions didn't happen until November 21st, and even by this cut some of the cues JW had written had already been dropped or replaced, so consider this a PARTIAL cue list:
     
    1M01 Main Title
    1M022 The Ninth Beginning
    1M05 Rey Trains
    1M06 Ren's Entrance
    1M08 Approaching The Nursery
    1M09 Rey Wakes Up
    1M13 Tell Me What They Are
    1M15 Vader's Castle
    1M20 Rey Training
    1M24 Meditation
    1M26 Spy's Message
    1M26 Lightspeed Skipping
     
    2M01 Cockpit Dialog
    2M02 Fixing The Helmet
    2M03 The Wisdom of Maz
    2M04 The Emperor Lives
    2M06 The Medal
    2M07 Ship Trip
    2M20 The Forge
    2M30 Rey's Mission
    2M32 Quicksand
     
    0M01 Children's School
    3M00 Lando
    3M01 Before The Chase
    3M03 No Title
    3M06 Knights of Ren
    3M07 Ochi and the Dagger
     
    4M01 Rey Senses Ren's Approach
    4M02 Rey's Incredible Hand
    4M04 Zucini?
    4M05 To The End
    4M05B Good Ship, Bad Ship
    4M06 He Won't Remember
    4M07 Rey's Grief
    4M10 Red Eyes
    4M11 Poe and Girlfriend
    4M12 Ship Walk and Talk
     
    5M01 Meddling and Poe's Crush
    5M03 Hallway Shooting
    5M05 Rey Sees Mother
    5M06 Hard To Get Rid Of
    5M07 I'm The Spy
    5M08 Geneology
    5M10 Landing At ?
    5M12 Off The Waterfront
    5M30 Under a Blanket
     
    6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes
    6M02A Climbing
    6M04 Daisy In A Veil
    6M05 Leia Lies Down
    6M07 Stop and Start
    6M08 Healing Wounds
    6M12 Six Twelve
    6M13 Rey's Trip To P
    6M20 Sabre Toss
     
    7M01 Seven One
    7M02 Rey Meets Luke
    7M03 Luke's Advice
    7M04 The Meeting
    7M05 March Of The Resistance
    7M08 Father Knows Best
    7M10 Leia's Sabre
    7M12 Seven Twelve
    7M12A Horses #2
    7M20 Approaching The Throne
    7M21 Parents
    7M30 More Action
    7M32 Make The Sacrifice
    7M36 Dunkirk
    7M38 I Am All The Sith
     
    8M04 Psalm of the Sith
    8M05 Jumping The Chain
    8M07 Big Ship Blows Up
    8M08 On Their Knees
    8M10 Success and Sliding
    8M11A Dropping The Sabre
    8M14 Ben to Rey
    8M15 Horn Solo
    8M16 End Credits
     
    9M03 Bows
    9M05ALT Return to Tattooine
     
     
     
     
    The list also contains the two source pieces not composed by Williams:
     
    2S35 JJ Festival Music
    3S35 JJ Bar Source
     
     
     
     
    As well as the cue names from prior scores that were tracked into this cut:
     
    13M2 from Ep.6 Vader's Death
    7M03 from Ep.3 The Birth of the Twins
    7M05 from Ep.3 Plans for the Twins
    3M26R from Ep.7 You're Han Solo?
    4M36R from Ep.7 I Ran Into You
    5M46R from Ep.7 Kylo Stalks Rey
    6M50R from Ep.7 Han and Leia Reunion
    6M55R from Ep.7 Council Meeting
    6M56E from Ep.7 Ren In Cockpit
    8M77 from Ep.7 March Of The Resistance
    4M36 from Ep.8 Luke and Rey
     
     
     
     
     
    UPDATE: Additional cue titles found in GEMA Repertoire:
     
    Chewie's Interrogation
    Emperor's Attack
    Emperor's Theme V3
    Falcon's Last Trip
    Filial Fencing
    Hero Fight
    It Fits!
    Kylo's Theme
    Lido Hey [JJ Abrams/Lin-Manuel Miranda]
    More Maz
    Name That Tune
    Poe's Theme
    Ready to Be a Jedi
    Rey and Ren
    Rey's Training
    The Crowd Joins In
    The Dunkirk Shot
    The Feeling
    The Last Fight
    The Millennium Falcon Theme
    The Resistance Theme
    Through the Jungle
    Tunnel Monster
    Uncharted Territory
    Wayfinder Insert
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Jurassic Shark in Star Wars End Credits Rankings   
    I hate to say it but I think pretty much anyone who doesn't put SW77 first is flat out wrong. One must consider that, when we judge the original film's end credits suite we are actually judging 100% of it, unlike the 8 other end credits suites where the first 30 seconds or so is always just a lift from SW. (not to mention the three suites that lift the end as well). That blast of the end credits, Luke's theme, Rebel fanfare, and rolling thunder combo is the backbone of every episodes' end credits suite and makes the original film absolutely undefeated in this regard.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Pellaeon in Star Wars End Credits Rankings   
    I hate to say it but I think pretty much anyone who doesn't put SW77 first is flat out wrong. One must consider that, when we judge the original film's end credits suite we are actually judging 100% of it, unlike the 8 other end credits suites where the first 30 seconds or so is always just a lift from SW. (not to mention the three suites that lift the end as well). That blast of the end credits, Luke's theme, Rebel fanfare, and rolling thunder combo is the backbone of every episodes' end credits suite and makes the original film absolutely undefeated in this regard.
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    DominicCobb reacted to Falstaft in Star Wars End Credits Rankings   
    Purely on the basis of the End Credits:
     
    1. ANH - the gold standard, perfectly constructed
    2. ESB - three all-time-thrilling statements of principle themes, but not as balanced or iconic as ANH
    3. TFA - a thrilling recap of the score
    4. TROS - a genuinely new and extended treatment of Anthem of Evil & partially new treatment of Rise of Skywalker themes count for a lot to me
    5. ROTJ - lovely transition into L&L, integration of Throne Room into coda. But not in same league as the others.
    6. TLJ - not great, but not nearly as poor as people make it out to be.
    7. AOTC - the only PT score that has any novel music in the Credits, namely that tiny little coda that alludes to Anakin's theme)
    8. ROTS - nothing new besides an embarrassing transition into and out of BoTH
    9. TMP - nothing here besides concert arrangements
     
    I judge the End Credits mostly on whether they present a genuinely new twist of their respective themes, vs. if it's just music that can be heard in stand-alone concert arrangements.
     
    As far as Finales go, I guess it depends on how far you're willing to stretch into the film itself. I don't rank Jedi Steps especially high, esp. not as a finale b/c of the warmed-over ROTS Force Theme ending, but if I include the "Farewell & the Trip," it suddenly becomes like my #1 or #2. But, just in terms of the minute or two of music immediately before the End Credits, my finales are
     
    1. ESB - Finale
    2. AOTC - Finale (final version) -- spectacular 
    3. ANH - Throne Room
    4. ROTS - A Home for the Twins
    5. ROTJ - Victory Celebration 
    6. TROS - A New Home (actually prefer this to Jedi Steps, think it's more interesting musically)
    7. TFA - Jedi Steps
    8. TPM - The Big Parade
    9. TLJ - Finale
    10. ROTJ - Yub Nub (sorry)
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