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    DominicCobb reacted to crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker OST Album Discussion   
    It definitely lacked a nice big setpiece like the Battle of Crait, where he could just let loose for 7 to 8 minutes with orchestral bombast. It suffers from the same problem as TFA with lots of really short cues that don't get a chance to develop or build over several minutes. Lots of interesting fragments of various themes but just when something gets interesting it cuts to something else. Bloody JJ. 
     
     
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    DominicCobb reacted to Jay in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Unreleased music
     
    The brief, non-thematic cue where Pryde realizes Hux was the spy and kills him is unreleased, as is the next cue where Rey talks to Finn on the Falcon.  That cue begins with another unreleased new variant of The Emperor's Theme as she tells Finn that it was The Emperor that had her parents killed, though a variant of Kylo Ren's Theme that seems to be tracked in from The Abduction from The Force Awakens plays as Rey tells Finn that no one knows who she is.  A brief scene where Kylo talks to The Emperor is scored by Hey! from The Force Awakens, which continues as the Falcon lands on Kef Bir and Jannah is shown tracking them as they land.
     
    FYC 11 The Old Death Star 2:14 / OST 04A [0:00-2:21] The Old Death Star 2:21
     
    This cue begins on a wide shot of the Falcon's crashed landing on the surface, panning over to the heroes walking towards a shoreline which is revealed to have Death Star II wreckage in the ocean.  A little trumpet fanfare plays as Rey pulls out the Sith Dagger, and The Imperial March plays as she lines it up with the wreckage and figures out the location of the Wayfinder.  
     
    The film/FYC and OST then divert for the next scene.  Both feature a bit of suspense for Jannah and her crew showing up, but then score the conversation she has with our heroes using different themes.  The original version on the OST (1:19-2:21) features The Resistance Theme and then Rey's Theme, while the film/FYC version (1:14-end) features Rey's Theme and then Poe's Theme.
     
    Unreleased music
     
    A quick scene with BB8 and D-0 outside in unscored, as is a brief scene of Poe working on the Falcon and Jannah bringing Finn a part he needs and them beginning to talk.  As they realize each other are both First Order deserters, the cue begins, which re-uses Finns Confession from The Force Awakens before transitioning into The Force Theme as Finn talks about how the Force brought him to Rey and Poe and brought him here.
     
    FYC 12 Off the Waterfront 1:03 / OST 04C [2:21-end] Off The Waterfront 0:55
     
    Rey sails towards the Death Star II in a stolen skimmer, over incredibly bumpy waters, and Finn and Poe debate whether they should go help right away or after the Falcon is fixed
     
    Unreleased music
     
    A brief non-thematic unreleased cue scores Rey arriving at the Death Star II and Jannah telling Finn there's another skimmer.  Rey climbs up a section of the wreckage, unscored at first, then scored with nice non-thematic but heroic music as she makes the last few jumps and ends up in a hallway.  The music then quickly switches to tracked-in Darth Vaders Death from Return of the Jedi and she goes down the hallway and finds herself in the Emperors Throne Room.
     
    A door opens on its own (why?), and when Rey goes in she grabs the Wayfinder and then turns around, all as no score plays.  Music enters as it is revealed a dark version of herself is there, and they have a brief lightsaber battle to a brief, unreleased, non-thematc cue, ending as Kylo Rens hand grabs the Wayfinder from the floor.
     
    The next unreleased cue begins as Ren tells Rey she cannot return to Leia, just like he cannot, and after crushing the Wayfinder in his fist, the music quickly turns into action cue as Rey and Ren begin dueling.  Back on Ajan Kloss, Leia's Theme is heard as she is shown contemplating before Maz tells R2 she knows what must be done, and Connix helps her walk away.
     
    Back at the Death Star wreckage, Rey and Ren continue to duel.  Finn and Jannah have arrived, but Rey force-pushes Finn away from the duel, then continues to fight Ren until a giant wave approaches the piece of wreckage they are on and they have to jump to another piece.  They continue to duel on that piece for a while, until she eventually jumps to another piece of wreckage when Ren seems to have an upper hand on her.  This lengthy sequence is entirely unscored.
     
    FYC 13 Final Saber Duel 1:38 / OST 12A [0:00-1:05] The Final Saber Duel 1:05
     
    This cue begins as Ren approaches Rey on the new wreckage she led him to, where they duel set to some trumpet runs until she seems to finally be realizing she wont win as Kylo Ren's Theme plays during a brief lull in the action.  She lunges back at him anyway, and they duel until she ends up on the ground. Just when he begins to land what would be a killing blow, the music quiets down considerably as Leia intervenes and Ren backs off, with brief choir underscoring Leia lying down on her death bed, causing Ren to drop his saber as the cue fades out, giving Rey the chance to grab it and stab Kylo in the stomach with it.  The music has completely subsided as Leia dies and Rey feels it through the force.
     
    This quiet ending with choir is removed from the OST version and only is available in the FYC version.
     
    FYC 14 Healing Wounds 2:49 / OST 12B [1:05-end] Healing Wounds 2:15
     
    The opening of this cue is different between the OST and film/FYC.  The OST version (1:05-1:42) starts with high strings and then features some funeral pyre sounding brass.  The film/FYC version (0:00-0:31) is mostly just high strings.  Either version of this passage covers Rey continuing to process what has happened to Leia, until she looks down at Kylo and sees the wound she made. 
     
    Film/FYC and OST then are the same, with a tempo change (OST 1:42) as she reaches out for his wound and heals it as The Force Theme plays.  She tells Ren she wanted to take his hand ("Ben's hand"), then the music picks up (OST 2:33) as she runs towards Ren's TIE Fighter and takes of fin it, as Finn watches in despair and Poe arrives in the Falcon behind him. 
     
    Back on Ajan Kloss, Leia's Theme plays as the Resistance gathers around her death bed to say goodbye.  Poe, Finn, and Chewie arrive, and some brief female choir plays as D'Ac has to tell Poe that Leia is gone.
     
    FYC 15 Advice 1:54
     
    Kylo is shown holding his lightsaber staring at the water (I guess when Poe showed up in the Falcon they chose not to just shoot him down?), and then he hears Han's voice and they begin talking, all with no music.  The score begins on Han's line "Kylo Ren is dead, my son is alive", and continues to underscore their discussion about Leia being dead and Kylo knowing what he has to do.  The uptick in tempo (1:28) comes when he tosses his lightsaber into the ocean, then turns around and Han has disappeared. 
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    DominicCobb reacted to crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker OST Album Discussion   
    It's a totally different recording.
     
    And yes, I wish JW had finally ended the film with Rey's Theme rather than another fucking rendition of Binary Sunset (the 5th time the cue has been used since ROTS), which I frankly never want to hear again!
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Edmilson in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    That's tracked music from TLJ ("Lesson Two"), using the beginning of the cue and then the part that references the Emperor's theme (:28):
     
     
    I think it transitions into something else when 3PO begins talking.
     
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Jay in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    That's tracked music from TLJ ("Lesson Two"), using the beginning of the cue and then the part that references the Emperor's theme (:28):
     
     
    I think it transitions into something else when 3PO begins talking.
     
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    That's tracked music from TLJ ("Lesson Two"), using the beginning of the cue and then the part that references the Emperor's theme (:28):
     
     
    I think it transitions into something else when 3PO begins talking.
     
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Pellaeon in POLL: What are the 5 best new themes from the Stars Wars Sequel Trilogy (Ep 7, 8, 9)?   
    For me the TFA themes dominate my rankings, JW built an impressive roster right off the bat that covered a lot of the main aspects of the trilogy (as opposed to the last two trilogies, where many of the important themes came later), and was able to develop them throughout the three films (which kind of gives them an advantage). The three TLJ themes are a little too specific, so don't get as much use out of them, and the TROS themes just come in too late to make a big enough impact for me personally. 
     
    I'd rank them like this:
     
    1. Rey's theme - a beautifully layered work that goes through a number of fantastic iterations in each film. Certainly one of Williams's all time greatest themes.
    2. Kylo's themes - each is sort of simplistic, sure, but Williams gets a lot out of them. There's a certain beauty to that simplicity, and thematically the seemingly unfinished nature works well for the character. Many of my favorite musical moments in the trilogy feature one or more of these themes, and the way it transforms in TROS is really the icing on the cake.
    3. The Jedi Steps - doesn't get a lot of play, but it is an absolutely perfect melody to capture the awe, excitement, and mystery of finding Luke. It helps that it's one of the few moments in the trilogy where the music does all of the heavy lifting.
    4. Poe's theme - controversial, probably, but for me Poe's theme feels quintessentially Star Wars. It only has a few moments where we hear it, but in every moment it puts a smile on my face.
    5. March of the Resistance - maybe I'm taking this one for granted, I don't know. A great theme with a lot of fun variations, especially in TLJ. But I guess it just doesn't stir the same emotion in me as the others.
     
    After that I'm not so sure (need to sit with TROS some more), but I'm inclined to put the Desperation theme from TLJ next. Just a jaw-droppingly epic and exciting theme that pairs perfectly with the film.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Docteur Qui in Your Favorite Renditions of The Force Theme?   
    Now that we have the full scope of JW’s Star Wars work it seems time to bump this thread. I’ll have to come up with a definitive ranking at some point, but I’ll say the one that stands out to me from TROS is this
     
     
    Its not often we get a rendition of the theme’s full statement, but here Williams provides it with ample gusto for what is essentially the climactic moment of the saga.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Cerebral Cortex in Your Favorite Renditions of The Force Theme?   
    Now that we have the full scope of JW’s Star Wars work it seems time to bump this thread. I’ll have to come up with a definitive ranking at some point, but I’ll say the one that stands out to me from TROS is this
     
     
    Its not often we get a rendition of the theme’s full statement, but here Williams provides it with ample gusto for what is essentially the climactic moment of the saga.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Falstaft in Your Favorite Renditions of The Force Theme?   
    I think this may be my exact choices as well, except for potentially TLJ, where I might swap in Peace and Purpose.
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    DominicCobb reacted to danbeck in The Rise of Skywalker OST Album Discussion   
    Based on all the passionate praise Williams repeatedly gives Daisy Ridley on his interviews, it is fair to assume he must have refused to provide a love theme for her with another man.
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    DominicCobb reacted to Taikomochi in The Rise of Skywalker OST Album Discussion   
    I agree that Anthem of Evil is a major weak spot in the album, especially since the theme makes so little an impression. The end credits arrangement is enough for me
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    DominicCobb reacted to Falstaft in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Here's some updated transcriptions and timings for what I take to be the new leitmotifs in TROS. I'm still not quite sure what to title the two Rise of Skywalker themes. I like "Fellowship" better than "Friendship" or "Trio," if only because it applies more broadly than to just Rey/Poe/Finn. If Giacchino hadn't already written a "Hope" theme for RO, I think either could warrant that label too.

     
    Incidentally, how many JW themes is it now that revolve around a melodic 5-b6-#4 motif. There's the Knights of Ren, Peter Pettigrew, Chamber of Secrets, Nimbus 2000, Secret of the Scrolls, Count Dooku's little fanfare in AOTC...
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from igger6 in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Oh cool. Falstaff has a website? How did I miss this. Wait, Falstaff is Frank Lehman? I'm way behind. Incredible work!
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Tydirium in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    I don't think it's a matter of just highlights missing, as others have said it's the story and progression of the themes missing. The fact that we can't hear the heroic version of Kylo's theme on the soundtrack at all is a big whiff. Even just including "Parents" would have increased the quality of the album in a big way (but really they should have had "Parents" "Coming Together" and especially the cue that plays after that). 
     
    Probably a controversial opinion but I kind of feel like while Anthem of Evil is not a bad piece by any means but ends up feeling like a poor use of space on the disc when so much is missing. But then I was always more of a 'want to hear what was in the film' kind of guy.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from aj_vader in Music From The Star Wars Saga by Robert Ziegler & the Slovak National Symphony Orchestra   
    Should have ditched the choirs entirely. Would have been a nice alternative.
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    DominicCobb reacted to Jay in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    https://franklehman.com/starwars/
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    DominicCobb reacted to Falstaft in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    By my count (last page of my catalogue), there's 22 distinct recurring leitmotifs in TROS, down from the series high of 28 in TLJ.
     
    TLJ:
    1: Main/Luke
    2: Rebel Fanfare
    3: Force
    4: Leia
    5: Death Star (for the Ironing Board fakeout)
    6: TIE Fighter Attack
    7: Imperial March
    8: Han & Leia
    9: Yoda
    10: Emperor
    11: Luke & Leia
    12: Battle of the Heroes (debatable, I know, but I'm fairly certain of it)
    13: Kylo Ren (Aggressive)
    14: Kylo Ren (Hesitant)
    15: Kylo Ren (Menacing)
    16: Rey (Main)
    17: Rey (Gallop)
    18: Rey (Chimes)
    19: Map
    20: Poe
    21: Pursuit
    22: Snoke
    23: Tension
    24: March of the Resistance
    25: Jedi Steps
    26: Luke in Exile
    27: Desperation
    28: Rose
     
     
    TROS:
    1: Main/Luke
    2: Rebel Fanfare
    3: Force
    4: Leia
    5: Imperial March
    6: Han & Leia
    7: Yoda
    8: Emperor
    9: Luke & Leia
    10: Kylo Ren (Aggressive)
    11: Kylo Ren (Hesitant)
    12: Rey (Main)
    13: Rey (Gallop)
    14: Rey (Chimes)
    15. Poe
    16. Tension (hard to differentiate from Anthem of Evil in places)
    17. March of the Resistance
    18. Wayfinder
    19. Anthem of Evil
    20. Knights of Ren/Kylo Ren (Fulminating)
    20. Heroics
    21. Rise of Skywalker/Trio (Cantilena)
    22. Rise of Skywalker/Farewell (Hymn)
     
    Missing from the TROS score as currently hearable are any references to the new motifs introduced in TLJ, or any references to leitmotifs from the Prequel Trilogy. Jedi Steps is *not* directly referenced, nor is Rose's Theme. A New Home sounds to me like a new, non-leitmotivic theme based on aspects of Rey's Theme (esp. the first ending), Jedi Steps, and Imperial March. 
     
    Of course, further study might reveal more concealed references to earlier themes, in which case we can all update our listings. If we ever get complete session recordings, I'm also confident some major surprises will turn up.
     
     
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    DominicCobb reacted to Nick Parker in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    People found it weird that one of the main new characters of the previous film was abandoned too!
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    After all the talk about reprising past themes... I think The Last Jedi actually has more returning themes, no?
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    DominicCobb reacted to King Mark in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    it's about STAR WARS and it's fucking perfect
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from Cerebral Cortex in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Didn't catch it during the film at all until the credits, when I was kinda like "wait what? Oh it's a new theme."
     
    Also, just me or does the Knights of Ren theme sound like the end of the boat scene from the beginning of Last Crusade?
     
    EDIT:
     
    Ha, forgot the cue was literally called "The Boat Scene"
     
     
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    I saw the film, is it just me or is like 50% of it tracked music from past episodes?
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    DominicCobb reacted to HunterTech in The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread   
    After so many years of SW rumors coming and going, we're suddenly believing them now? Sure, you can tell me how RO and Solo had their production issues, but I'm not really buying any of what I've heard so far. Anything that says the version of the film Lucas put forth some last minute fixes being the best received of the lot reeks of fan wish fulfillment.
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    DominicCobb got a reaction from crumbs in The Rise of Skywalker - Disney Records OST   
    The pre order for Target has been up since at least this morning, already got mine. 
     
    Probably safe to say this is the cover art (minus the sticker).
     

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