Yavar Moradi

Yeah, very very subtle clue. Yavar

I'm optimistic about this, even if it doesn't totally match the soundworld of the Horner/Franglen scores. Oftentimes game scores don't share thematic material with the films they are based on. Yavar

Thanks; I had forgotten that. Of course we know that exceptions somehow were made for Varese DEs of the three post-2009 AFM-recorded Giacchino Star Trek scores. I wish I knew exactly how that managed to come about. Yavar

Varese has done Deluxe Editions of other post-2005 Powell scores… were those non-AFM while his Ice Age scores are all AFM? A Newman Ice Age expansion followed by three Powell Ice Age expansions would be really cool. I have leaked versions of some of the complete Powell Ice Age scores and they play fantastic in complete form. It would be nice to be able to buy an official edition. Yavar

All fair points but I was never in love with the pumping Starfleet motif from TMP (it was fine, but hardly a highlight of that score for me... neat that Jerry clearly called back to his first Trek score in his final one though). I actually like the "new adversity motif" in Insurrection. I like the old one but Jerry just didn't use it consistently and it was neat to hear something more new and fresh to make up for the familiar US Marshals motif throughout some. I think the GNP expansion improved the sound quality of Insurrection but I agree the DE of Nemesis sounds better. I think I just care more about thematic material and its development. Yavar

Those would be good to get but unlikely from Varese because they didn’t release the original albums right? Yavar

Check SoundtrackCollector again, Jay. Varese didn’t release Phenomenon (there was just a composer promo of it and they re-recorded a single cue for their Hollywood ‘96 album… I doubt that would get them any perpetuity rights to the score). YESSSS!!! This would easily be my Thomas Newman want, though I want David’s Mr. Destiny and Randy’s Pleasantville expanded more. Looks like quite a bit on SoundtrackCollector… though I confess that some of these titles I have *never* heard of before! (Josh and S.A.M.???) Yavar

Maybe TWO! Or...Randy? I absolutely adore Pleasantville and would love a Deluxe Edition of that even though it had an isolated score track (so did Rudy and Hollow Man, and I still gratefully grabbed those expansions). I'd be beyond shocked if it was Lionel. Varese has never released a Lionel Newman score to my knowledge. Yavar

Agreed on all the above and I'd also love an expansion for Michael Collins if there is anything to be added! Maybe Varese can somehow break through the WB blockade with their perpetuity rights. Yavar

I think both of those are better than Nemesis. I really dislike both of those films but I’d rather watch them each a dozen times before subjecting myself to Nemesis again. And they just have fewer cues that bore me than Nemesis does! First Contact has a few cues that bore me, to be sure… but it also has one of Jerry’s very best themes, plus is unique and cool because his son Joel collaborated on it and contributed some truly stellar cues like “Flight of the Phoenix” and “Retreat” (one of my absolute favorite cues in the score, right up there with Jerry’s best. And I like Insurrection as pure music all the way through, way more than First Contact or Nemesis. I never feel like hitting “skip” on a single cue in that complete score. It’s all good. And unlike First Contact and Nemesis which each got only one truly fantastic new Goldsmith theme (Shinzon’s theme in the End Credits of the latter… wow!), Insurrection got MULTIPLE great and memorable new themes — the love theme for Anij, the theme for the Ba’ku as a people, and the theme for the regenerative properties of their planet showcased so beautifully in “New Sight”. Yes, I do dock it some points for reusing the action motif from US Marshals earlier in the year, but those themes far outweigh that. For me, Jerry’s two TOS film scores do stand head and shoulders above any of his three TNG scores. The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier (my personal favorite) are both absolute masterpieces. But I rank the TNG scores, all still quite good, as follows: 1. Insurrection 2. First Contact 3. Nemesis I absolutely consider First Contact the most overrated Goldsmith Trek score (and also probably most overrated Trek film), and Nemesis one of the most underrated… but I still rate FC slightly higher. And I think Goldsmith’s contribution to Looney Tunes: Back in Action is greater than his work on any of the TNG Trek films. Yavar

A belated welcome to you, sir... and uh, I recommend you steer clear of the Film Score Monthly forum. Yavar

I agree it's very good (in fact I would say fairly underrated, thanks to the disappointing original album Varese put out which was half low key suspense scoring) but it's still the least of Goldsmith's Star Trek scores overall, in my opinion. It has the most skippable cues out of all of them, and I really blame the terrible film itself for that. It rarely allowed Jerry to let loose, but when it did (like the second half of "Odds 'n' Ends", hoo boy did Jerry kick ass. But still, I would have been sad if such an overall downbeat work for an offensively terrible movie had been Jerry Goldsmith's final film score. Looney Tunes is a much more inspiring end. I mean, can you believe a guy in his mid-70s dying of cancer wrote this incredible one-two punch of complex action gems?? Seriously, what a way to go out! Brilliantly channeling Carl Stalling and making it work with his own complex action style, while also recalling his heyday of scoring western films in the 60s and 70s... Yavar

The film was certainly disappointing and not what it should have been, due to studio interference with Dante. I recommend this video essay for anyone interested to learn more: And it's very unfortunate that Jerry didn't feel well enough to score the whole climatic sequence of the film. Debney's cues aren't bad but they feel like "regular film music" compared to the brilliance of Jerry's compositions for the film. But I think Jerry himself felt fortunate to be working with his old friend Joe Dante one last time, and as compromised as the film is, his score shines brilliantly in it. He certainly scored much, much worse things over the course of his career. Considering his final score could have been the unused Timeline or the overall fairly dour Star Trek: Nemesis (a movie I absolutely despise rather than just finding to be a letdown), I'm personally very happy that his final work when he was dying of cancer was such a brilliant, creative, and energetic score, complete with some fun homages and in-jokes. It's got the energy of a young John Powell and IMO that's a very inspiring way for Goldsmith to take his final bow. Yavar

@Richard Penna which Varese expansion since 2018 was your #1 grail again? Yavar

These would be Deluxe Edition dreams come true for me: Year of the Comet (John Barry, rejected score Varese apparently controls) Frankie Starlight (Elmer Bernstein) SeaQuest DSV Vol. 2 (Don Davis) Paulie (John Debney) The Scorpion King (John Debney) Sudden Death (John Debney) Black Robe (Georges Delerue) Christopher Columbus: The Discovery (Cliff Eidelman) A Simple Twist of Fate (Cliff Eidelman) Carlito's Way (Patrick Doyle) Final Analysis (George Fenton) Demolition Man (Elliot Goldenthal) Sphere (Elliot Goldenthal) The Ballad of Cable Hogue (Jerry Goldsmith) Medicine Man (Jerry Goldsmith) The Mephisto Waltz (Jerry Goldsmith) Mom and Dad Save the World (Jerry Goldsmith) The Other (Jerry Goldsmith) Our Man Flint (Jerry Goldsmith) Mists of Avalon (Lee Holdridge) The Happening (James Newton Howard) Bliss (Jan Kaczmarek) Unfaithful (Jan Kaczmarek) Hudson Hawk (Michael Kamen and Robert Kraft) Gold Diggers (Joel McNeely) Soldier (Joel McNeely) Terminal Velocity (Joel McNeely) X-Men III: The Last Stand (John Powell) For the Love of the Game (Basil Poledouris) Hot Shots! Part Deux (Basil Poledouris) The Secret Garden (Zbigniew Preisner) -- so much of this great score is unreleased! Forever Amber (David Raksin) -- arguably his magnum opus! Power Rangers: The Movie (Graeme Revell) Street Fighter (Graeme Revell) M Butterfly (Howard Shore) Mobsters (Michael Small) Wagons East! (Michael Small) Memoirs of an Invisible Man (Shirley Walker) The Dark Half (Christopher Young) Plus remastered album recording and premiere release of film recording for Eye of the Needle (Rozsa), Brainstorm (Horner), and Pee-Wee's Big Adventure (Elfman). Yavar

He could have read the script, at the very least. Yavar

Loved Loki S1 but Multiverse of Madness was maddening to me. Yeah there were some cool Raimi elements but Wanda’s development post-WandaVision was totally messed up (apparently Raimi didn’t even watch WandaVision, which I can’t even fathom) and I honestly really wanted a sequel to the original Doctor Strange film which delivered on its end credits Mordo tease. Yavar

Laurence Rosenthal! Yavar

Yeah at 2:23 of @HunterTech’s share is the straightforward version of Zimmer’s original long-lined Batman theme which was used in at least one of the trailers. Way better than the two note thing that ended up plastered through the film. If it had been developed throughout the three Zimmer Batman scores I would rank them much higher than I do. Yavar

Really? I had no idea! Any highlights missing? Yavar

You must be referring to the digital releases for The Pirate Fairy and Legend of the NeverBeast. Secret of the Wings, the best of the remaining Tinker Bell scores, has not been commercially released in any form. And if McNeely wrote any original music for Pixie Hollow Games (I haven’t seen it but I think he did) then that hasn’t even been leaked unofficially, to my knowledge. Yavar

Yeah, but with the weird way this score was written and recorded but not really scored to picture for the most part, who knows how much music may have been recorded for the film but not ultimately used within it, or released on album? Yavar

You definitely made me chuckle @Bellosh but I'm curious which remaining Goldsmith @ 20th Century Fox scores you are most hoping for to get expanded/remastered in that LLL series (which to be fair they do claim is still ongoing). Personally, I'd love the missing music from Shock Treatment more than anything, and that great score deserves to be back in print since the Intrada has been unavailable for so long. I'd also love the missing film cues from Justine, but I imagine that would get a standalone (not in the Goldsmith@20th series) expansion with the unique album recording, because the latter is owned by Universal Music. Yavar

Better late than never! Our City Hall Soundtrack Spotlight is finally live: https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/13437089-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-city-hall-1996 Yavar