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  1. I would be perfectly capable of listening to Bear's score without thinking of Shore, by the way, just like I can Leonard Rosenman's. But, unlike Rosenman's score, here each episode opens with a (fantastic, by the way) Howard Shore piece.


    Furthermore, each episode features timbres which are used very deliberately to evoke Howard Shore's "sound": We see Dwarves, enter the male voices. Why? Because that's an association we have in Howard Shore's scores. Elf scenes? Ethereal female choir and harps? Why, because that's a colour Shore associates with the Elves. Hobbits? tin whistles and uileann pipes galore, because that's what we associate with the Hobbits. Even the Hardinfelle that's used to score the Soutlands scenes (and Halbrand's) recall Shore's Rohan writing. Orcs get lots of percussion and very nasal exotic woodwinds. Why? Because that's what the bad guys are associated with in HOWARD SHORE'S SCORES.


    If you don't want to invite comparisons, write something totally different. As it is, Bear didn't do that: He intentionally wrote something that begs the comparisons, and only serves to highlight the differences.

  2. 26 minutes ago, Score said:

    n the vast majority of the LOTR scores, a musical language that was hyper-simplified in many aspects. For example, there are long chunks of those scores which consist of only major and minor chords (and their inversions), often realized literally as close triads in the strings or the brass, accompanying fully diatonic melodies (and sometimes, one hears just "breathing" chords and nothing else).


    A simple harmonic language isn't a bad thing.


    Besides, the complexity of Shore's writing is less in the harmonic language and more the motivic complexity: There had flat out not been anything like it since Der Ring Des Nibelungen.

  3. I think its a very lovely score, but the Shore titles and the fact that Shore's colours are used: so, men for Dwarves, women for Elves, celtic instruments for Hobbits, and even the Hardinfelle - all make me ache for a Howard Shore score or at least for some of his themes.


    Its sad to think the downfall of Numenore won't be scored with a version of the main nature theme: think how powerful it would have been that this theme we associate with the Eagles and the Moth and the Rohirrim coming to the rescue would also be attached to the great cataclysm of Numenore.

  4. 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

    you're someone who doesn't find the dragon sickness sequence in BOTFA to be inadvertently hilarious so...


    The dragon sickness is like the love potion in Tristan: its not real. Thorin just thinks he single-handedly set Smaug loose on his own heirs and is left with nothing but the gold, and so his depression causes him to go mad and attach a lot of importance to the gold. Certainly the insomnia doesn't help.


    All the traits he exhibits under scourge of the supposed "dragon sickness" are ones he already exhibits earlier down the line: self-delusion, bad temper, pride, isolationism, neuroticism, etc..


    At any rate, the Dragon Sickness thing is set-up much more thoroughly than this whole Mithril malarky.

  5. I don't for one moment believe its a made-up story. They go into waaaaay too much detail for it to just be a canard. I think some fans just like the idea that its a canard because they, as of yet, refuse to believe these writers could seriously suggest something so stupid. Well...


    And remember, next episode the land of milk and honey gets turned into Mordor via an explosion because something something magical sword hilt...


    Oh boy! This is fun!! ROTFLMAO

  6. I'll try and transcribe the scenes in question because its just too good of a lark to pass up on:



    GIL GALAD (to Elrond): Are you familiar with the Song of the Roots of Hithaeglir?

    [...] ELROND: It speaks of a battle, high among the peaks of the Misty Mountains. Not over honour or duty but, over a tree within which some claim was hidden the last of the lost Silmarils. [...moment of quiet in which Gil-galad seems to affirm this, before an animated segment a-la Deathly Hallows: Part One begins] On one side fought an Elven warrior, with a heart as pure as Manwe, who poured all his light into the tree to protect it. On the other, a Balrog of Morgoth who channeled all his hatred into the tree to destroy it. Amidst their duel uneding, lightning ensnared the tree, forging of their conflict a power...

    GIL GALAD: A power...as pure and light as good; as strong and unwielding as evil. They say it seeped down the roots into the mountain depths where for centuries now, it has waited.


    [...shows Elrond a black blight that afflicts the big tree in the Council-of-Elrond looking place] GIL GALAD: The blight upon this tree is but an outer manifestation of an inner reality, that the light of the Eldar, our light, is fading.

    [...later] CELEBRIMBOR: We believe if we can secure vast quantities of it, quickly. Enough to saturate every last Elf in the light of the Valar once more, than yes, yes. It very well could be [the Elves' salvation].


    [...later still, talking to Durin] ELROND: Without it, my kind must either abandon these shores by spring or perish.

    DURIN: Perish? Perish how?


    ELROND: Our immortal souls will dwindle into nothing, slowly diminishing until we are but shadows, swept away by the tides of time, forever.


  7. 18 minutes ago, Holko said:

    I stopped after ep3.








    ...I'm sorry, what?

    Appearantly once upon a time, an Elf fought with a Balrog ontop of the Misty Mountains (you know, like Gandalf did in that movie once? You do remember that, right? RIGHT!?) over a tree that had the light of the last Silmaril in it and then lightning made the light of the tree (mingled with the goodness of the Elf warrior and the evil of the Balrog) to trickle into the Mountain, creating Mithril; and now for some reason the Elves are dying off and will all perish by spring if they don’t get to bask in the light of Mithril, like Finns in a sauna.


    I swear in the name of all that is holy that I’m not making this up!!

  8. On 21/09/2022 at 9:52 PM, Roll the Bones said:

    1:16 of The Quest for Erebor has a section similar to 4:26 of Gandalf the White


    Well, they're both Hobbit-related material: Bree is musically associated with minor-moded fragments of Hobbit music, which makes sense for a partially-Hobbit-populated town.


    One is a minor-moded skip beat accompaniment that we associate with Hobbiton and the Hobbits' playful side; the other is an ostinato, associated in part with much of Merry and Pippin's antics, that's spun from that little cadence to the skip-beat that often scores the Hobbits acting all befuddled.

  9. To be clear, I don't mind prequels "doing the prequel thing": repeating lines, nodding to visuals from elsewhere, setting-up plotlines in the entries "that are to come". Its what prequels do.


    But here the attempts of The Rings of Power to relate itself to movies which were made in different decades, by different filmmakers, in a different medium and with a completely different style, often rings very hollow.


    Curiously enough, I mind it less with dialogue and more with visuals and situations.

  10. 8 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

    And the whole "we're not trying to copy the movies even though everything we put on screen says otherwise" just feels insulting, and invites comparisons that don't make the show look good.


    That surprised me! I can find the showrunners saying half-a-dozen times that "we didn't want to make a prequel" and then you watch the show and you have a surprising amount of repeated lines ("Salted pork and enough malt beer to fill the Anduin"), lots of familiar iconography but also what's clearly shaping up to be another siege of Helm's Deep, another Bilbo (with Gandalf and a Sam-like sidekick, to boot), another Aragorn (with the rogue aspect of Strider turned up to 11 but still). You could even make the argument that Adar somewhat fullfills the function of Gollum.


    So weird to do a discount Helm's Deep not two years before we're getting the real deal again!

  11. 17 hours ago, jpmatlack said:

    I mean, you’re willing to sit through these episodes without any hope that the series will get better… clearly a LOT of folks (if the sheer number of YouTube videos declaring this a failure are any indication) are. This isn’t a traditional film/series that has to earn its budget back through repeat ticket sales. Unless it’s so awful that you cancel your Prime membership, RoP doesn’t really have to play by traditional rules. I say bring it on! I hate traditional TV. 

    I continue to watch it partially as an obligation to the Fellowship of Fans crowd. Left to my own devices, I may well not have bothered. Mind you, I don't dislike this show with any intensity: I'm actually quite fond of the third episode - Harfoots and menstruating Galadriel notwithstanding - but the rest thus far has just been not bad but rather dull.

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