Oswin Pond

Well, okay, you have the songs (the second one isn't identical to the film version, though), but other than that... Things start out badly from the start when that alternate Shire theme comes up. No eagle rescue, not all the MM statements, no Nazgul choir for Azog and Thorin's final confrontation etc. I just meant that a score interests me because it appeals to me in the film which has its own context, not because I happen to randomly think: Hmm, I'll give this a listen.

Yes, it is too much assumed around here that everyone values the composer's intentions above all else. I of course do value a composer's intentions, and I'm not saying that directors mangling a composer's work is always or ever a good thing.  But for a lot of people their love of a score comes from their love of a movie first, and it's the music from the movie they want to hear.

Because that's the music you hear in the film and that's the music I associate with that scene. I'm not saying Shore's original cue doesn't interest me, but that's not the first thing I want to hear. For casual fans who aren't familiar with such things, the OST is a complete disaster and doesn't represent the film score at all. It's primarily a work that accompanies the film.

I beg to differ. I appreciate beautiful language, but I find Tolkien, as a writer, incredibly stilted, archaic and trying and failing to like be Shakespeare. His dialogue is terrilbe at times and sounds artificial, not to mention his metaphores (women's voices sounding like waterfalls, I ask you...), and let's not forget how everything is 'fair'. But that's just my opinion. I had to stop reading FOTR because the language was so off-putting.
 
For example: Take Elrond's line: you shall be the Fellowship of the Ring.
1. Does it matter what they'll be? As long as that Ring gets destroyed, it's all good, isn't it? Also, why so stately? Aren't they trying to prevent a crisis?
2. Does the line contribute anything to the story? No.

The action isn't pointless. The poetic language accompanying it is quite unnecessary. As for Tauriel, to each his own.

Isn't the problem basically that all three films would have been much more interesting had they cut 30 minutes of footage? Or stuck to two films? There's too much Thorin, too much 'RUN!!!!!!' sequences, too many pointless characters (YOU ARE NAMELESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!), a certain female Elf etc.

It sounded heroic to me but maybe that's because I couldn't care less if he died or not. He annoyed me more than anything else.

Oh, okay. I need to brush up on my Tolkien geography, it seems.

So... Technically, one could argue that, because the lyrics changed, it might make some sort of sense to have that Nazgul music there. I'm pushing it, I know, but I just read that Shore used 'all sorts of Mordor material' in A Shortcut to Mushrooms, so you could argue that it works because Azog ultimately works for Mordor.

I agree that it doesn't make sense from a thematic point of view. Before I read the annotated scores, I only understood what the basic themes stood for (Shire/Hobbits, Isengard, Rohan, Gondor, Mordor/evil/Sauron etc.) I just meant that, if you don't assocaite this theme with the Nazgul, and the Nazgul only, it works. It only doesn't work when you're aware that the music is meant to score things that aren't in the film.
 
Incidentally, is that Nazgul music a re-recording or existing LOTR material?

Yes, I do, because it's simply jarring and childish.

In answer to a previous question: why do I like the films and not the books? That's easy to answer.
- Because the films make no effort to pretend as though they're about real events. That might sound odd, but I just hate things like 'as you and I both know, dragons...' I don't know that, because dragons do not exist. I don't read to be lectured about a world that doesn't exist.
- And also because most of the time, the films do not attempt to force characters to utter phrases not a sensible being would utter if any of these situations had really taken place. Consider: Gandalf tells Frodo about the history of the ring, and Frodo, who is supposed to be 30 (or 40?) goes 'How terrifying!' How many of you can imagine yourselves sitting at a table with an adult and genuinely exclaiming 'How terrifying?' Oh, and of course dear Tom Bombadil.

That's entirely possible. All I know is that I tried to read them twice, and I won't try again.

Gold returning is such good news. He was the soul of New Who for me, it wasn't the same when he left. I think he's one of the best composer out there, his work is outstanding!
 
He just did in interview for the Doctor Who Magazine where he confirms that "The Doctor's theme" and "Donna's theme" will come back as well as Series 10 being released! Although no date on that yet.
 
Here is the interview (You can open image in new tab to be able to zoom in, I don't have another format)
 



 
 

Gold returning is such good news. He was the soul of New Who for me, it wasn't the same when he left. I think he's one of the best composer out there, his work is outstanding!
 
He just did in interview for the Doctor Who Magazine where he confirms that "The Doctor's theme" and "Donna's theme" will come back as well as Series 10 being released! Although no date on that yet.
 
Here is the interview (You can open image in new tab to be able to zoom in, I don't have another format)
 



 
 

I'd say series 5 is his best work. Stylistically speaking it's more cohesive, with a definite fairytale approach reflecting the narrative writing, and the album selection is pretty great and not overly padded out like later ones. It's obvious he was very inspired by the new direction of the show. I'm also a big fan of the Raiders-inspired material for the two-part finale. Personally I'm neither here nor there about his theme for Eleven (I Am the Doctor), but the other theme for the Doctor he introduced in that series is absolutely exquisite, and one of my all time favourites:
 
 
 
Thanks for sharing that DWM article, @Oswin Pond! What an absolute treat to read. It's clear that just about everyone is stoked about his return. I don't know what I'm more excited for - the return of some of his great themes or the new material and style he's bringing to Ncuti.

Gold returning is such good news. He was the soul of New Who for me, it wasn't the same when he left. I think he's one of the best composer out there, his work is outstanding!
 
He just did in interview for the Doctor Who Magazine where he confirms that "The Doctor's theme" and "Donna's theme" will come back as well as Series 10 being released! Although no date on that yet.
 
Here is the interview (You can open image in new tab to be able to zoom in, I don't have another format)
 



 
 

Gold returning is such good news. He was the soul of New Who for me, it wasn't the same when he left. I think he's one of the best composer out there, his work is outstanding!
 
He just did in interview for the Doctor Who Magazine where he confirms that "The Doctor's theme" and "Donna's theme" will come back as well as Series 10 being released! Although no date on that yet.
 
Here is the interview (You can open image in new tab to be able to zoom in, I don't have another format)
 



 
 

Gold returning is such good news. He was the soul of New Who for me, it wasn't the same when he left. I think he's one of the best composer out there, his work is outstanding!
 
He just did in interview for the Doctor Who Magazine where he confirms that "The Doctor's theme" and "Donna's theme" will come back as well as Series 10 being released! Although no date on that yet.
 
Here is the interview (You can open image in new tab to be able to zoom in, I don't have another format)
 



 
 

Gold returning is such good news. He was the soul of New Who for me, it wasn't the same when he left. I think he's one of the best composer out there, his work is outstanding!
 
He just did in interview for the Doctor Who Magazine where he confirms that "The Doctor's theme" and "Donna's theme" will come back as well as Series 10 being released! Although no date on that yet.
 
Here is the interview (You can open image in new tab to be able to zoom in, I don't have another format)
 



 
 

Gold returning is such good news. He was the soul of New Who for me, it wasn't the same when he left. I think he's one of the best composer out there, his work is outstanding!
 
He just did in interview for the Doctor Who Magazine where he confirms that "The Doctor's theme" and "Donna's theme" will come back as well as Series 10 being released! Although no date on that yet.
 
Here is the interview (You can open image in new tab to be able to zoom in, I don't have another format)
 



 
 

Gold returning is such good news. He was the soul of New Who for me, it wasn't the same when he left. I think he's one of the best composer out there, his work is outstanding!
 
He just did in interview for the Doctor Who Magazine where he confirms that "The Doctor's theme" and "Donna's theme" will come back as well as Series 10 being released! Although no date on that yet.
 
Here is the interview (You can open image in new tab to be able to zoom in, I don't have another format)
 



 
 

SWOON!

why the fucking fuck would anyone fucking think there's ever been a fucking problem with fucking swearing on this fucking forum?

Now, now. There's no need for that. This is a family show.