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    Locrius reacted to Score in SAVING PRIVATE RYAN 20th Anniversary Edition from La-La Land Records   
    In general, and not just for JW titles, I don't like the concept that they take money from the customers not just before shipping the items (which would be fine), but even before receiving the items from the manufacturer. If they say that an item will start shipping on day X, as a customer I assume that they physically have all the CDs already.
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    Locrius reacted to JohnnyD in 'Hooten Plays Williams' - New recording of John Williams' Trumpet Concerto now available   
    The fact that Maestro John Williams generously agreed to conduct his Concerto for Trumpet and Orchestra and his Theme from Born On the Fourth of July and record both (the former of which has never been recorded with him conducting it) for release on CD, that private donors have generously contributed to this project, the fact that this has been a dream of Thomas Hooten to make this recording (and that he wants no financial gain from this), and that people are giving their time to make this project a reality makes this worth while.
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    Locrius reacted to moi in Rumor: JW to Compose...Something...for Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge?   
    Really??? I thought it was horrible. 
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    Locrius reacted to Quintus in Rumor: JW to Compose...Something...for Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge?   
    Maybe Gia will learn a thing or two about writing music by collaborating with JW on this.
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    Locrius reacted to artguy360 in Rumor: JW to Compose...Something...for Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge?   
    Maybe Gia will learn a thing or two about writing SW music by collaborating with JW on this.
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    Locrius reacted to Will in NEW Concert work: "Highwood’s Ghost", a fantasia for cello, harp and orchestra for cellist Yo-Yo Ma and harpist Jessica Zhou (Premieres August 19th at Tanglewood)   
    Wow I've seen that EOTS scene several times before but chills washed over me watching it just now. 😍
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    Locrius reacted to karelm in NEW Concert work: "Highwood’s Ghost", a fantasia for cello, harp and orchestra for cellist Yo-Yo Ma and harpist Jessica Zhou (Premieres August 19th at Tanglewood)   
    I came to film music from classical so the opposite of you.  What is your take on the Japanese composer, Takemitsu or Philip Glass?  These are composers whose film and concert music are indistinguishable but this does mean their film music tends to be more abstract. 
     
    For example, Takemitsu's soundtrack to RAN is so beautiful and mystical.  It  does take place in Imperial Japan so expect lots of traditional Japanese elements but this fully stands on its own as wonderful music and I have heard it several times in concert halls where the audience was mesmerized. 
     
    Similarly, Philip Glass's Mishima is one of my favorite String Quartets and is music from a film produced by George Lucas and Francis Ford Coppola. 
     
    This Kronos CD of Philip Glass' quartets is one of my favorite CD's because of the perfect listening experience (structure)...listening to the five quartets in this order feels like one massive work that develops as it moves on each note to the next over the course of the entire album.   I LOVE this CD. 
     
    I am curious what are your thoughts on these "film scores" that are concert works.  There might not be a tune...it is more like a meditation on a philosophical concept or time, place, or character for example.  You might simply dislike abstract music.  In a composer like JW, there is a large range between his famous film music and his concert music.  In composers like Takemitsu or Glass, not so much.  I also believe part of this comes to learning why something is great.  I hope that isn't condescending because I don't mean it to be but it is sort of like tasting a very expensive wine, not everyone intuitively understands the qualities that define greatness in wine.
     
    I tend to prefer subtext to text. It is less "on the nose" but closer to the true meaning of a thought, idea, or feeling.  Perfect example, Saving Private Ryan does not score battles.  It doesn't score what is happening.  It scores moods, thoughts.  I love that score.  I've mentioned this scene as one of the most sublime and beautiful examples of subtext in film scoring:
     
     
    This scene is just one of the best Spielberg has ever shot (shout out to the exceptional cinematography from Allen Daviau who also did E.T.).  The context is of course a boy in a prisoner camp who is separated from his family.  He has a life long obsession with flight.  The film never states this but shows it throughout.  Here in the midst of the labor camp he approaches the Japanese zeros as the pilots prepare for a likely doomed mission (which the film never states but we know through the lens of history).  The sound design fades out and we hear no sound of troops, construction, etc., we just hear what the boy thinks.  Beauty, majesty, and joy of flight.  The soldier takes aim at him and rather than scoring the scene (danger music), since the boy is oblivious to the soldier yelling and pointing a gun, we don't hear any of this.  At 0:58, the soldier sees the pilots which he too regards as on a different level of heroics.  They stand with the rising sun (symbol of Japan military) behind them as the pilots and boy salute each other because they share the divine aviators spirit.  The soldiers salute the prisoner. JW is brilliant at subtext.  I read Michael Collins (Apollo 11 first trip to the moon) book where he mentions his experience meeting the Soviet cosmonauts in 1968.  They were supposed to hate each other but they bonded on a unique aviator/explorer level at a subtextual level and shared their distaste of the situation that put them at odds. 
     
    When listening to JW's concert music think of subtext.  Though Empire of the Sun has bold and beautiful melodies, unlike Glass and Takemitsu, there is a wide range between JW's film music which is mostly hyper realism and his concert music which is more subtext and abstract.  When listening to classical music, focus on the subtext not the text.  Sort of like when tasting a great meal, don't focus on the primary tastes (sweetness, garlic, butter, etc.) but focus on the complexity and balance which makes it great (that the sweetness blends so perfectly with the tartness,etc., that each flavor is in balance rather than over done).
     
    Hearing concert music is based on hearing subtext. 
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    Locrius got a reaction from gkgyver in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    No one is questioning whether or not the final product was performed using samples, though... @Drew was questioning what it sounds like. Why is this so hard to understand??? He didn't ask whether or not samples were used. He asked if it sounds like it was mostly/entirely samples. There are some soundtracks that use samples, but in a very unobtrusive/non-obvious way, to the point that I think it's all 100% real orchestra.
     
    You are fundamentally misunderstanding the question. It's like you're not even reading it.
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    Locrius got a reaction from gkgyver in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Dude, I don't care if Balfe and Soundtrack Meme's families have been feuding for generations. The question that was asked, is perfectly valid and, from my own experience with the score, warranted. The thing sounds (on first listen at least) like it's 99% samples. Is there a real orchestra buried somewhere in there? Sure; it's a Hollywood movie, of course they've hired an orchestra. But the Tweeted question asked whether other people think it sounds like mostly samples. Which, IMO, it does. And apparently some other people think the same.
     
    Again, I couldn't give any less of a crap if Balfe's great-grandpa murdered Soundtrack Meme's, or vice versa—I don't care why the question was asked; if he didn't ask it, someone else should have. It was valid and is something that evidently multiple people can relate to, regarding this score. So, yeah. You can keep going on about "feelings" and what you think it "means", but there is nothing wrong with the question and nobody should feel bad for asking it. In fact, the only person who should feel bad is the idiot who tagged Balfe (which again, was not Drew) to get this whole thing stirred up.
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    Locrius got a reaction from gkgyver in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Motivation is irrelevant when it's a valid and reasonable question. You've already admitted to caring more about feelings than facts.
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    Locrius reacted to PrayodiBA in John Powell kicks ass   
    With the release of American Dreams, i tried to hear Bergensen's previous efforts again
     
    And this track :
    (mind the audio volume)
     
     
    First, it is nice for Powell to have been able to create his own music style, but..
    How could anyone other than Powell could well imitate and emulate his style easily, and with sophistication, such as that track..!??
    ...............
     
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    Locrius reacted to SteveMc in Justin Hurwitz's FIRST MAN (2018)   
    Thanks for those videos @SUH!
    Still, I'm with @Loert on this one.  The modified version sounds better to me.  It almost feels like the song hits a wrong note in the film version.
    But, those are my ears.  
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    Locrius got a reaction from greenturnedblue in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    What? It was a subjective question. No right or wrong answer.
     
     
    Really not sure why people keep bringing this up. If I know that I think McDonald's chicken nuggets don't taste like real chicken, does that mean I'm not allowed to ask and see if anyone else thinks so too? @Drew's question is asking to find out if anyone else thinks it sounds like samples. That is a totally valid question.
     
    By your logic, no one should ever put out surveys for instance, because their own personal opinion on the question is all that matters; if you have any interest in finding out if other people share your opinion, too bad—not allowed to do that. /s
     
    If I have an opinion question for other people, then "knowing the answer to my own question" (aka my own opinion) is irrelevant. Of course @Drew already knows his own opinion on something he is asking others about.
     
    If I think that Strauss sounds a lot like Mahler in a particular passage of a particular piece, am I not allowed to ask if other people think the same? I mean, again, by your logic, I "already know the answer" to my own question i.e. I already have an opinion, so it's not acceptable to find out other people's opinions.
     
    Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
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    Locrius reacted to Balahkay in Which 5 John Williams expanded releases will we get in 2018?   
    Definitely HP 1-3.  I'd prefer them released individually rather than a box set, though.
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    Locrius reacted to Drew in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Part of the flaw of saying that we shouldn't judge music at all outside of the film is that many of us are aware of how music works in context. We have enough expertise to have a good idea of how the music will work, and if the music could have been any better.
     
    I'm not saying this to be a dreaded know-it-all.
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    Locrius reacted to Nick1066 in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    OT: Looking at your screen name...are you Borg?
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    Locrius reacted to Jay in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Absolutely agree 100%.
     
    If we had to hold all discussion of new film score music albums until we saw the film in question, what a dreadfully boring place this would be.
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    Locrius got a reaction from Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Pretty often, actually. And the ones that I have seen the films to, I only saw the film to because I already considered the score a favorite. Great scores often influence my movie-watching choices. But seeing the film has nothing to do with initially cementing a score as a favorite.
     
    I considered Horner’s THE LAND BEFORE TIME an all-time favorite for years before I finally got around to watching the film. I consider Williams’ MONSIGNOR a favorite; still haven’t seen that movie, but if I do at some point, it will be entirely because the score is so good. Come to think of it, this all dates back to my childhood; the first score I ever fell in love with—THE PHANTOM MENACE—I considered my favorite well before I even saw the film.
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    Locrius got a reaction from Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    No one is questioning whether or not the final product was performed using samples, though... @Drew was questioning what it sounds like. Why is this so hard to understand??? He didn't ask whether or not samples were used. He asked if it sounds like it was mostly/entirely samples. There are some soundtracks that use samples, but in a very unobtrusive/non-obvious way, to the point that I think it's all 100% real orchestra.
     
    You are fundamentally misunderstanding the question. It's like you're not even reading it.
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    Locrius got a reaction from Jurassic Shark in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    What? It was a subjective question. No right or wrong answer.
     
     
    Really not sure why people keep bringing this up. If I know that I think McDonald's chicken nuggets don't taste like real chicken, does that mean I'm not allowed to ask and see if anyone else thinks so too? @Drew's question is asking to find out if anyone else thinks it sounds like samples. That is a totally valid question.
     
    By your logic, no one should ever put out surveys for instance, because their own personal opinion on the question is all that matters; if you have any interest in finding out if other people share your opinion, too bad—not allowed to do that. /s
     
    If I have an opinion question for other people, then "knowing the answer to my own question" (aka my own opinion) is irrelevant. Of course @Drew already knows his own opinion on something he is asking others about.
     
    If I think that Strauss sounds a lot like Mahler in a particular passage of a particular piece, am I not allowed to ask if other people think the same? I mean, again, by your logic, I "already know the answer" to my own question i.e. I already have an opinion, so it's not acceptable to find out other people's opinions.
     
    Do you not see how ridiculous that is?
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    Locrius reacted to publicist in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    When did we move on from the vastly more important question if a film score released away from the film should have musical validity?
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    Locrius reacted to Kasey Kockroach in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    THIS DREW FELLOW DID NOT TAG LORNE BALFE
    SOME DWEEB IN THE COMMENTS SECTION DID
    I'VE READ "HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TAGGED LORNE BALFE" AT LEAST THREE TIMES, FOR GONZO'S SAKE, DOESN'T ANYONE PAY ATTENTION
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    Locrius got a reaction from Will in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Dude, I don't care if Balfe and Soundtrack Meme's families have been feuding for generations. The question that was asked, is perfectly valid and, from my own experience with the score, warranted. The thing sounds (on first listen at least) like it's 99% samples. Is there a real orchestra buried somewhere in there? Sure; it's a Hollywood movie, of course they've hired an orchestra. But the Tweeted question asked whether other people think it sounds like mostly samples. Which, IMO, it does. And apparently some other people think the same.
     
    Again, I couldn't give any less of a crap if Balfe's great-grandpa murdered Soundtrack Meme's, or vice versa—I don't care why the question was asked; if he didn't ask it, someone else should have. It was valid and is something that evidently multiple people can relate to, regarding this score. So, yeah. You can keep going on about "feelings" and what you think it "means", but there is nothing wrong with the question and nobody should feel bad for asking it. In fact, the only person who should feel bad is the idiot who tagged Balfe (which again, was not Drew) to get this whole thing stirred up.
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    Locrius got a reaction from Dixon Hill in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    Motivation is irrelevant when it's a valid and reasonable question. You've already admitted to caring more about feelings than facts.
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    Locrius reacted to Drew in MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score   
    I started a discussion and Balfe started a snark fest complete with bad headphones and wax-filled ears.
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