mxsch
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2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:
I'm sorry for pointing it out then.
From what I've been reading about the score here on JWFan, I'm not the only one here who's got an issue with it. I also appreciate a good percussion accompanienment, but there's something off-putting about the drum loop approach - perhaps because it's not through-composed and doesn't follow the rest of the music.
Can you exactly reference some part of some track?
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Just now, Jurassic Shark said:
I'm sad to say you're right.
I'm actually like percussion very much and I'm absolutely ok with that. And I haven't noticed it until you pointed out.
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Btw, little rant about Zimmer. I mean, he ruined blockbuster music with his super-generic action dun-dun approach, really. Wanna soundtrack? Hire Zimmer! What? Don't have enough money? Go to his studio and hire cheaper sound-alike, like Balfe. That's all, folks.
I'm glad that guys like Goransson are still here. And thank you God, he replaced him on Tenet.
Some years ago I was a fan of Zimmer, but then I've rediscovered Williams and movie music in general.
Now I can have fun with such dumb music only in bursts, but I can fell asleep if it will be too long. B-o-r-i-n-g.
24 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:Too many obnoxious drum loops.
Seems like leftovers of work experience with Zimmer.
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1 minute ago, Arpy said:
On an emulation scale, Haab would be at the end closest to Williams. This crude scale doesn't indicate quality, nor all the composers who've written for Star Wars:
Williams Emulation Scale
NOT WILLIAMS <- - - - - - - - - - Goransson - - - - - Powell - - *NEUTRAL* - - - - - - - Giacchino- - - - Kiner- - - - - Haab- - - - - -> WILLIAMS
Ha-ha, great thing!
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2 minutes ago, Arpy said:
I really appreciate the way in which Powell is able to mesh his style with Williams', it's a nice balance between the two without ever sounding like he's trying too hard to emulate the other. It's just a shame how the score was treated in the film and the sound mix, like so many modern films.
I don't know if I would rate it higher than his scores for the Dragon series, however.
Well, I'm still need to listen to the Dragon series. But, you know, Solo will be better for me just because this is Star Wars. Maybe I'll change my opinion.
And what about emulators, Gordy Haab did a great job on two Battlefronts and clearly have shown his potential on the original material in Fallen Order.
Music buried in the sound mix is just a crime, in my opinion. Especially that great.
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I'm think what he done here is even better than Sequels.
First of all, Powell for sure is the most talented from all Remote Control Studio guys and I'm glad that he left, because even Zimmer is not a match for him, honestly.
His new themes are amazing, perfomance is over the top in a good way in some places, like Into the Maw, Williams themes and motifs are perfectly integrated, plus new two themes by Maestro himself are outstanding as always.
And this is by far most action-packed SW score.
And Shawn Murphy have got very unique, distinct sound for it.
What else do you need?
And I can really say that movie really had grown on me just because of this music. Not kidding.
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1 hour ago, Arpy said:
Interesting @blondheim, not many members here seem to appreciate Attack of the Clones.
It's a score I find myself returning to more and more - I like the balance between the action and the quieter moments and the development of the love theme.
I'm really changed my mind about AOTC to much bigger appreciation.
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I'm think that Dark of the Moon is best of bunch. Yes, approach less thematic than the first one and it resembles The Dark Knight when first one resembles Batman Begins in some places, but lack of comedy music, excellent Battle motif and It's Our Fight with whole Chicago battle sequence and Shockwave motif is what made this score absolutely the best for me.
And it have best album presentation, because if you throw out themes and reprisals in the first one, you will be left with only twelve tracks. And Fallen presentation is just meh.
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11 minutes ago, Arpy said:
If we're talking guilty pleasures of RPC scores, I do like some of Trevor Rabin's work or even Ramin Djawadi's and Lorne Balfe's sort of cheap thrills where it's electronically infused action ostinatos.
I like Djawadi's iron Man and Balfe's Modern Warfare 2.
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2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:
One minute and fifty three seconds? That's a really short score.
Ofc one hour and fifty-three minutes
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24 minutes ago, Holko said:
The complete score's 110 minutes of better pure fun!
Mine version is actually around 1.53
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3 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:
I always loved the Arrival To Earth track from the first score, and the All-Spark theme, and I put together some bits I liked from the sessions for Dark Of The Moon. There's some good stuff to be heard.
I don't feel you should have to justify enjoying music like that. Even if you think you shouldn't because it's simplistic.... who cares?
Yeah, Arrival to Earth is def. best of all three scores.
Dark of the Moon clearly takes some inspiration from the TDK, btw.
I'm think that the first one is my favourite, second have some best action bits, but overloaded with electronics and other little bit. Chicago battle stuff is simply brilliant. Plus DOTM don't have this stupid comedic bits which is a giant plus for me.
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I'm pretty big fan of soundtracks. Of course my favourite composer is JW, but I'm also like Brad Fiedel, Howard Shore, Danny Elfman, Alan Silvestri and David Arnold.
But sometimes I have a primal need for stupid action soundtracks.
And first three TF scores are best in this way, IMO. Recording sessions versions.
I don't dislike Zimmer, but he is really mediocre and overrated, with shit ton of sound-alike composers from his studio and same amount of self-plagiarism.
So I think that Jablonsky is the best of bunch (minus John Powell ofc), at least his TF scores have some his trademark stuff.
And can somebody tell me how he got this signature synth "dun" throughout this scores?
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I've discovered this gem not so long ago, because I've was ignoring all other Indy scores besides Raiders, this was my biggest mistake in OST experience.
First listened to Concord, and it was ok, i did it a few times.
But then I've decided to build mine ultimate versions of three Indy scores, and when I've got almost all cues except few with proper inserts and stuff, damn.
This score is just as insane and over the top as the movie itself.
I'm a very big fan of action music, so this is like God's gift to me. Or JW to be certain.
I really like Last Crusade for it's clunky sound and very heart touching material, plus it is most thematically-heavy of all four.
Raiders for mickey-mousing every action and haunting Ark theme, Desert Chase is exceptional.
And KotCS is meh. Only some cues impressed me, center cue is of course The Jungle Chase, which amazingly incorporates every movie theme except Skull itself. And that "Ugh, Vines" cue…
It is like ROTS sequel in terms of lacking enough thematical aprroach.
But Temple is really like another dimension. Even only for the title track. Only lackluster aspect for me is the lack of center action piece, but i can understand it, because more than a half of the whole score is almost unending action blaze. Also return of the two Basket Chase motifs is cool too.
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16 minutes ago, Arpy said:
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Williams applied it to the whole Reunion thing, when Luke and Leia played when Lando met his daughter.
Just check this out.
This guy actually have some mistakes, like he thinking that Imperial March is only Vader's theme, but overall, he is on point.
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1 minute ago, Arpy said:
The sheer complexity and the way Williams maneuvers through the themes in ESB made it so that none of the themes felt overused (Yoda and Vader are prominent characters in the film).
I don't get it, you have the tenacity to rate the other scores and have listened to them to know how Williams uses themes and motifs etc., and then you can't work out why or how a motif can be used in a cue like The Battle of Crait?
Oh, never mind. I've got it from the beginning. Just my stupid nitpicking.
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7 minutes ago, Smaug the iron said:
Whats wrong about that? Do you want him to write new themes for characters who already has one? I think TLJ is the best sequel score because it has so much thematic material in it.
It is a Battle motif so it is suppose to be in both Battle scenes.
Battle motif, cool, almost whole cue is a motif. TLJ suffers from duration and amount of underscore.
25 minutes ago, Arpy said:@mxsch The ESB Yoda Uses the Force reuse in TRoS seemed like a perfect moment to do so. How is it questionable when it's intentionally referencing the same actions from ESB? It makes that scene much stronger.
And what I've wanted to write about TROS, Yoda's theme now not only Yoda's theme, Luke and Leia's theme now not their theme only too.
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8 minutes ago, Arpy said:
@mxsch The ESB Yoda Uses the Force reuse in TRoS seemed like a perfect moment to do so. How is it questionable when it's intentionally referencing the same actions from ESB? It makes that scene much stronger.
And what about reusing Yoda theme in Reunion? I'm sorry, I've just forgot that I've wanted to mention this one.
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Here is something about them all from me:
SW: First and classic, nuff said.
ESB: Considered to be the best on Filmtracks, for example. I really like it, but it too much relies on Yoda's and Vader's themes, imo.
ROTJ: Most complex work of all 9 for me. So many themes here, all finale stuff is just superb. Only minus is Ewok stuff.
TPM: Most Star-Warsy from prequels and obviously the best from them, but not for me. Ending battle and all after it there is on god-tier too.
AOTC: Not my cup of tea. Aside action tracks, I'm not a big fan of all this quiet romance stuff, except some tracks, like Meadow Scene.
ROTS: My favourite or second after ROTJ, very emotional, hits on the same level as ROTJ in terms of drama, or even more. No Ewok stuff, woo-hoo! Not very developed in terms of themes, and that is the main compalint on Filmtracks. It's actually very funny to read reviews from release time about this score. If this is still all true, ROTS is underrated as hell. Final stuff kicks ass again. Best opening stuff by far too.
TFA: Strongest from the sequels, excellent new themes, best End Titles for me.
TLJ: Relies heavy on old themes, and overall feels.... I don't know. This thing with repeating opening battle music in Battle of Crait is really bothering me. So. overall, meh. I like second motif of Rebellion Reborn very much, btw.
TROS: Still listening to it, but now it is the weakest for me.TLJ is close second. Minus perfomance, of course. All official releases gave us too little of final recorded amount of music. Score is butchered to hell in the movie, even prequels weren't like this. Plus very questionable use of themes, like repurposing music from ESB scene where Yoda lifts X-Wing e.t.c.
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Can you suggest them to me, please?
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8 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:
A quick question, guys:
Was ROTJ ever planned as a double album, or was it always going to be a single album?
What's the story, with this?
LP wasn't going well in 1983, so 2LP plans were dropped and we got what we got.
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3 hours ago, Corellian2019 said:
Slightly off-topic, but what do people think of Wallin's mixes for Robocop 2 and The Fugitive? Those scores sound great to me
Never heard Fugitive ost, but Robocop 2 is dope.
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20 minutes ago, phbart said:
The OST album is indeed an embarrassment. But the entire score is masterful, not underrated at all. ESB first, with SW and ROTJ tied in second.
What's TPM? I only know Duel of the Fates, and that's it.
TPM on third, right? I'm don't know, maybe ROTS is on my third, well, yeah, TPM sounds very star-warsy, but Revenge is dark af, have ton of great action music, excellent uses of choir on multiple occassions, returned DotF and other things. And do TPM have Battle of Heroes, Lament or Anakin's Dark Deeds, for example?
Even absolutely dull Grievous meeting with Palpatine scored in that way, that is sounds absolutely epic.
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12 minutes ago, blondheim said:
I agree that The Phantom Menace can handle an expansion. I also think there is not much wrong with that original album. But take into account my bias: that was the first CD score I ever owned. I liked film music, but only by repeating scenes ad nauseum in front of my VHS player, trying to hear everything underneath the sound effects and dialogue. The Phantom Menace got played on repeat. I used to lay on my bedroom floor with my eyes closed and listen to the whole damn thing.
I have no doubt it is the most complex Star Wars score, and it is my personal favorite of them but the problem with a complete Phantom Menace score is that I would want the recording sessions. The film stems on the Ultimate Edition are terrible. So much of that score went unused in the final picture. I prefer the original album because there is music there that even the fan edits don't entirely save. Fan edits don't do it for me. I can't stand the fluctuation in sound quality and the faulty edits. The only score I have ever suffered through that for, really, is Hook.
If I ever got my hands on the sessions, or an officially released expansion, then maybe I would change sides. But as an audiophile, I would always rather have less score in real quality, with proper mastering, than more with less of all that.
Your experience of the score is too nostalgic-cool. RS leak isn't possible for TPM, I'm sure. At least we got Crystal Skull, but this RS still sounds little bit worse than album. And what about TPM complexity, I can argue that ROTJ is easily most complex.
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