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    Tydirium got a reaction from enderdrag64 in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    An orchestrator takes sketches of a cue (often a piano score) and sets the music for the various instruments of the orchestra. Many times the choice of instruments is left up to the orchestrator’s preference, but in JW’s case, he uses his orchestrators more like copyists; he generally already has an idea of what instruments should play what music, and the orchestrators write it out for those instruments. It saves him a lot of time.
     
    Arranging is a lot freer than orchestrating; the arranger simply takes a tune/theme/piece and does what they want with it. They do their own orchestration, they can play around with the harmonies, they can add countermelodies, etc.
     
    Adapting (what Ross is doing in Kenobi) is similar to that, basically arranging but with a film element. Ross is taking JW’s Obi-Wan theme and adapting it to various scenes in the show, where it would fit. So, rather than JW picking every instance of when and where his Obi-Wan theme should show up, as he normally would as a film composer, instead Ross gets to choose. Think of it like this: Ross is a composer for the show, but the music he writes is primarily JW’s theme. However, he is free to orchestrate and arrange that theme as he pleases, and to use that theme where he wants to use it.
     
    That’s already a lot of work, but the thing is, recent episodes have revealed that he is going even beyond that: he is evidently being asked to write entire lengthy cues (lengthier than many of Holt’s, even), for scenes as important as the Obi-Wan/Vader duel. That is a big deal, as ordinarily the main composer for a show or film (in this case Natalie Holt) would obviously score such an important scene.
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    Tydirium got a reaction from Not Mr. Big in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Isn’t it funny how Holt is billed as the main composer of the show, but all her people are listed after William Ross?
     
    EDIT: To be fair, Ross is obviously a bigger name than those other people, and also has the adapting credit for the show. But still, it’s just interesting seeing Holt’s team of composers listed beneath him.
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    Tydirium got a reaction from enderdrag64 in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Her answer about that makes no sense, though. She acts like these themes are in their "genesis" in between ROTS and ANH, but how? The themes were already present and developed by ROTS. By the time you get to this show chronologically, you've already heard Qui-Gon's theme in TPM; the Force theme in TPM, AOTC, ROTS; Leia's theme in ROTS; the Imperial March in AOTC, ROTS (with hints in Anakin's theme in TPM); the Mustafar theme in ROTS; the Order 66 music in ROTS. The Imperial March is even heard in both anthology films, Rogue One and Solo, and they both take place before ANH. Also, she talks about leading things to ANH, but the Imperial March isn't even in that movie...
     
    The point is, these themes don't need to be "seeded"; they already exist in the universe. Many of them are even referenced in the animated shows that chronologically take place before this show (TCW, Bad Batch). Why do they need to be treated in this show as though they've never existed before? 
     
    I'd also like to point out that she remembered the name of ANH, but drew a blank when it came to ROTS. Between her, and the writer Joby Harold also seemingly not having watched ROTS before writing the show based on recent remarks of his, it is no wonder that there are so many problems. This show is arguably more of a follow-up to ROTS, than it is a prequel to ANH. Even the marketing clearly reflects this.
     
    There's no excuse for this.
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    Tydirium got a reaction from leeallen01 in OBI-WAN KENOBI - spoilers allowed for all aired episodes   
    Pretty bad episode aside from Ross' contributions. And just think, it's now basically going to become canon that the whole reason Vader thought to let the Millennium Falcon escape to track it in ANH, is because he got the idea from Reva in this episode. Absolute garbage. This is just yet another example of Disney crapping on a classic character just to prop up one of their inferior new ones. We don't need Darth Vader saying he underestimated this character, of all people.
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    Tydirium got a reaction from MrJosh in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Her answer about that makes no sense, though. She acts like these themes are in their "genesis" in between ROTS and ANH, but how? The themes were already present and developed by ROTS. By the time you get to this show chronologically, you've already heard Qui-Gon's theme in TPM; the Force theme in TPM, AOTC, ROTS; Leia's theme in ROTS; the Imperial March in AOTC, ROTS (with hints in Anakin's theme in TPM); the Mustafar theme in ROTS; the Order 66 music in ROTS. The Imperial March is even heard in both anthology films, Rogue One and Solo, and they both take place before ANH. Also, she talks about leading things to ANH, but the Imperial March isn't even in that movie...
     
    The point is, these themes don't need to be "seeded"; they already exist in the universe. Many of them are even referenced in the animated shows that chronologically take place before this show (TCW, Bad Batch). Why do they need to be treated in this show as though they've never existed before? 
     
    I'd also like to point out that she remembered the name of ANH, but drew a blank when it came to ROTS. Between her, and the writer Joby Harold also seemingly not having watched ROTS before writing the show based on recent remarks of his, it is no wonder that there are so many problems. This show is arguably more of a follow-up to ROTS, than it is a prequel to ANH. Even the marketing clearly reflects this.
     
    There's no excuse for this.
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    Tydirium got a reaction from MikeH in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Her answer about that makes no sense, though. She acts like these themes are in their "genesis" in between ROTS and ANH, but how? The themes were already present and developed by ROTS. By the time you get to this show chronologically, you've already heard Qui-Gon's theme in TPM; the Force theme in TPM, AOTC, ROTS; Leia's theme in ROTS; the Imperial March in AOTC, ROTS (with hints in Anakin's theme in TPM); the Mustafar theme in ROTS; the Order 66 music in ROTS. The Imperial March is even heard in both anthology films, Rogue One and Solo, and they both take place before ANH. Also, she talks about leading things to ANH, but the Imperial March isn't even in that movie...
     
    The point is, these themes don't need to be "seeded"; they already exist in the universe. Many of them are even referenced in the animated shows that chronologically take place before this show (TCW, Bad Batch). Why do they need to be treated in this show as though they've never existed before? 
     
    I'd also like to point out that she remembered the name of ANH, but drew a blank when it came to ROTS. Between her, and the writer Joby Harold also seemingly not having watched ROTS before writing the show based on recent remarks of his, it is no wonder that there are so many problems. This show is arguably more of a follow-up to ROTS, than it is a prequel to ANH. Even the marketing clearly reflects this.
     
    There's no excuse for this.
  7. Like
    Tydirium got a reaction from Chewy in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Her answer about that makes no sense, though. She acts like these themes are in their "genesis" in between ROTS and ANH, but how? The themes were already present and developed by ROTS. By the time you get to this show chronologically, you've already heard Qui-Gon's theme in TPM; the Force theme in TPM, AOTC, ROTS; Leia's theme in ROTS; the Imperial March in AOTC, ROTS (with hints in Anakin's theme in TPM); the Mustafar theme in ROTS; the Order 66 music in ROTS. The Imperial March is even heard in both anthology films, Rogue One and Solo, and they both take place before ANH. Also, she talks about leading things to ANH, but the Imperial March isn't even in that movie...
     
    The point is, these themes don't need to be "seeded"; they already exist in the universe. Many of them are even referenced in the animated shows that chronologically take place before this show (TCW, Bad Batch). Why do they need to be treated in this show as though they've never existed before? 
     
    I'd also like to point out that she remembered the name of ANH, but drew a blank when it came to ROTS. Between her, and the writer Joby Harold also seemingly not having watched ROTS before writing the show based on recent remarks of his, it is no wonder that there are so many problems. This show is arguably more of a follow-up to ROTS, than it is a prequel to ANH. Even the marketing clearly reflects this.
     
    There's no excuse for this.
  8. Haha
    Tydirium reacted to Not Mr. Big in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Kathleen Kennedy pointing a gun at her off-camera.  
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    Tydirium reacted to DarthDementous in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    That is true, William Ross wasn't involved in the other non-Williams Star Wars soundtracks, even the ones that had new Williams themes written for them

    There is certainly an extenuating circumstance present for Kenobi that wasn't there for the others
  10. Like
    Tydirium reacted to LSH in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    I don't care what she's saying (and I'm not a conspiracy theorist), there is definitely more to this story, as others have posited. The involvement of Ross is a flag immediately.
     
    I do feel sorry for her though. Imagine boasting that ET was your motivation to enter the film music industry... then getting a job on a Williams legacy project... and then having to pump out the most generic, bland, soul-less wallpaper paste ever.
     
       
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    Tydirium got a reaction from Andy in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    The album better have William Ross' stuff on it. In some ways I can't imagine it not having it, as that would be absolutely insane. But still, for some reason I'm worried...
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    Tydirium got a reaction from Chewy in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    The album better have William Ross' stuff on it. In some ways I can't imagine it not having it, as that would be absolutely insane. But still, for some reason I'm worried...
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    Tydirium got a reaction from crumbs in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    The album better have William Ross' stuff on it. In some ways I can't imagine it not having it, as that would be absolutely insane. But still, for some reason I'm worried...
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    Tydirium got a reaction from artus_grayboot in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    The album better have William Ross' stuff on it. In some ways I can't imagine it not having it, as that would be absolutely insane. But still, for some reason I'm worried...
  15. Sad
    Tydirium reacted to Gibster in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Imagine hearing 2 months ago what has gone down with this score, nothing surprises me at this point
  16. Like
    Tydirium got a reaction from MrJosh in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    The album better have William Ross' stuff on it. In some ways I can't imagine it not having it, as that would be absolutely insane. But still, for some reason I'm worried...
  17. Like
    Tydirium got a reaction from Not Mr. Big in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    The album better have William Ross' stuff on it. In some ways I can't imagine it not having it, as that would be absolutely insane. But still, for some reason I'm worried...
  18. Like
    Tydirium reacted to TheUlyssesian in Michael Giacchino's Lightyear   
    Gia's music seems to be getting simpler and simpler and simpler.
  19. Confused
    Tydirium reacted to DiamondFire in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    bts.mp4  
    here's the BTS for some background extras in the opening of ep 1... what is this weird variation of the Jedi Temple March music thats being played on set lol
  20. Like
    Tydirium reacted to Will in New Lucasfilm logo music: is it JW?   
    Wow, Ross did a great job arranging JW's theme! Some nice variations in there.
  21. Like
    Tydirium reacted to Luke Skywalker in New Lucasfilm logo music: is it JW?   
    I do not, if this is a williams cue it should be the logo music for ever
     
     
    and if it is a ross cue, then it too deserves to be there till the end of time, the guy needs some recognition for his hard work.
  22. Like
    Tydirium reacted to Miz in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    I think the tension throughout this episode matched the style of this score well. However, I think that's entirely accidental because we've heard this wallpaper style through every sort of scene in the whole series so far.
  23. Like
    Tydirium got a reaction from Trope in OBI-WAN KENOBI - spoilers allowed for all aired episodes   
    Pretty bad episode aside from Ross' contributions. And just think, it's now basically going to become canon that the whole reason Vader thought to let the Millennium Falcon escape to track it in ANH, is because he got the idea from Reva in this episode. Absolute garbage. This is just yet another example of Disney crapping on a classic character just to prop up one of their inferior new ones. We don't need Darth Vader saying he underestimated this character, of all people.
  24. Like
    Tydirium reacted to artguy360 in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    I hope we get actual info on what happened with this score and the various composers and JW and William Ross' involvement. 
  25. Angry
    Tydirium reacted to Manakin Skywalker in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    I'm willing to bet none of Ross' music will be on the official album release. Probably expect all of the "good" material to be left off.
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