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Monoverantus got a reaction from Chen G. in Bear McCreary's The Lord Of The Rings: The Rings of Power (2022)
Eh, I think it's fine. Though I probably wouldn't make the same connections, it's a solidly argued fan-theory, and really at its core, a great lesson on chromatic mediants. It's far better than another video I've seen which tried to claim the highest note in the Weakness and Redemption theme is a chord note (making Rivendell's A major - F major chords into F augmented maj7 - Bb augmented maj7).
Also, it's beautiful and I'm not at all envious of their video editing skills.
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Monoverantus reacted to Faleel in Howard Shore's THE LORD OF THE RINGS
With the beard, he almost vaguely reminds me of Doug Helvering.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Mr. Who in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
So, now that Part 2 has been digitally released, I've rewatched it and have some thoughts.
1) The theme @MaxMovieMan calls "Fremen Chimes" appears twice in Part 2: 0:00 in The Sietch, and the unreleased track when Jessica leaves Paul to travel south.
2) The track Ornithopter Attack appears nowhere in the movie
3) The drum beat in Harkonnen Arena is in 7/4 (odd time signature just like Feyd Rautha's theme), while the beat under Kwisatz Haderach is in 4/4, so I'm not 100% that a thematic connection is implied.
4) The first 3 notes of Feyd Rautha's theme is a retrograde inversion of Paul's theme (The One)
5) There is no Seduction theme, it's just Feyd-Rautha's theme played in a high register on a harp or guitar
6) The Emperor's theme is played twice: 0:39 in The Emperor, and the unreleased track when the Emperor's guard humiliates the Baron.
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Monoverantus reacted to Knight of Ren in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
2) I think that track was meant to be used during the action scene of Rabban Harkonnen's attack to the fremen, when they get scared and run off, since I think there's no music in that scene. Perhaps they felt it worked better without score, butfrom what I remember, it could fit in there.
5) I noticed this as well while listening to the soundtrack again a few days ago. Particularly, in Harkonnen Arena, Feyd-Rautha's theme reminded me a lot of that Seduction theme, so I checked both Harkonnen Arena and Seduction back to back and it definitely feels like the same melody but with vastly different arrangements.
Listen to 0:45 of Harkonnen Arena and then to 0:50 of Seduction.
I also remember there were some unreleased variations on this idea.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Gabriel Bezerra in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
The most striking aspect of the Dune movies to me is how tactile they are. I can feel the sand rippling on the dunes, the wind in my hair, the tremors through the ground. The sort of eyes-half-closed abstract visual of the title shots (that reappear as transition shots in Part 2) is something all of us recognize, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to visualize it. For this, I think it's very fitting with a similarly tactile score. It's not concerned with the intellect or complexity of scoring traditions, but with the visceral impact it can give. The House Atreides melody on bagpipe/electric guitar feels right, and the same theme on duduk over synth chords feels right, though it's a completely different context.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Yavar Moradi in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
The most striking aspect of the Dune movies to me is how tactile they are. I can feel the sand rippling on the dunes, the wind in my hair, the tremors through the ground. The sort of eyes-half-closed abstract visual of the title shots (that reappear as transition shots in Part 2) is something all of us recognize, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to visualize it. For this, I think it's very fitting with a similarly tactile score. It's not concerned with the intellect or complexity of scoring traditions, but with the visceral impact it can give. The House Atreides melody on bagpipe/electric guitar feels right, and the same theme on duduk over synth chords feels right, though it's a completely different context.
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Monoverantus reacted to Chen G. in So, THIS is now a thing... (Anime Lord of the Rings prequel)
Okay, so what to make of this? Stephen is going back to New Zealand: https://www.instagram.com/stephengallaghermusic/p/C5HJVHLyeIb/
Now, when he left for London, Gallagher had only recored 80 minutes of music for a film of some 130 minutes. Now, there is the distinct option that that's all the music he wrote for the film, which is not impossible being that this is the first project of this scale for Gallagher. I'm less taken with it, because if this was a wrap, he'd probably say so.
Another reason why I think its less likely, is this (clearly joking) comment from Stephen: "Unfortunately this trusty model’s high ‘A’ key is now not working (after many years of being thrown in a backpack or suitcase) so I guess this means the the rest of the score has to be in E-flat minor…"
Of course, there's the possibility that Stephen had recorded additional string and wind parts in London - he certainly recorded more crumhorn parts in London - which would amount to a more substantial length of score. But I feel like we'd know if he drafted another body of strings and woodwinds. He had been in London an awful long time, but from watching his posts its more that he wanted to make such a long trip worth his while, rather than necessarily being in the weeds recording: in fact, we know they went into mixing shortly after he arrived: his visit to Air Lyndhurst a few days back seems to have not entailed any recording being done there.
Another possibility is that the film is not entirely "locked" and so they're recording the score in a couple of separate sessions. This seems supported by this comment from producer Joseph Chou:
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Monoverantus reacted to Chen G. in So, THIS is now a thing... (Anime Lord of the Rings prequel)
Ahem...
*clears throat*
H A R D I N G F E L E !!!
https://www.instagram.com/stephengallaghermusic/p/C4_OEdcsRd3/
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Monoverantus got a reaction from MaxMovieMan in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
The most striking aspect of the Dune movies to me is how tactile they are. I can feel the sand rippling on the dunes, the wind in my hair, the tremors through the ground. The sort of eyes-half-closed abstract visual of the title shots (that reappear as transition shots in Part 2) is something all of us recognize, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to visualize it. For this, I think it's very fitting with a similarly tactile score. It's not concerned with the intellect or complexity of scoring traditions, but with the visceral impact it can give. The House Atreides melody on bagpipe/electric guitar feels right, and the same theme on duduk over synth chords feels right, though it's a completely different context.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Knight of Ren in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
The most striking aspect of the Dune movies to me is how tactile they are. I can feel the sand rippling on the dunes, the wind in my hair, the tremors through the ground. The sort of eyes-half-closed abstract visual of the title shots (that reappear as transition shots in Part 2) is something all of us recognize, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to visualize it. For this, I think it's very fitting with a similarly tactile score. It's not concerned with the intellect or complexity of scoring traditions, but with the visceral impact it can give. The House Atreides melody on bagpipe/electric guitar feels right, and the same theme on duduk over synth chords feels right, though it's a completely different context.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Mephariel in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
The most striking aspect of the Dune movies to me is how tactile they are. I can feel the sand rippling on the dunes, the wind in my hair, the tremors through the ground. The sort of eyes-half-closed abstract visual of the title shots (that reappear as transition shots in Part 2) is something all of us recognize, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to visualize it. For this, I think it's very fitting with a similarly tactile score. It's not concerned with the intellect or complexity of scoring traditions, but with the visceral impact it can give. The House Atreides melody on bagpipe/electric guitar feels right, and the same theme on duduk over synth chords feels right, though it's a completely different context.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Evanus in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
The most striking aspect of the Dune movies to me is how tactile they are. I can feel the sand rippling on the dunes, the wind in my hair, the tremors through the ground. The sort of eyes-half-closed abstract visual of the title shots (that reappear as transition shots in Part 2) is something all of us recognize, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to visualize it. For this, I think it's very fitting with a similarly tactile score. It's not concerned with the intellect or complexity of scoring traditions, but with the visceral impact it can give. The House Atreides melody on bagpipe/electric guitar feels right, and the same theme on duduk over synth chords feels right, though it's a completely different context.
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Monoverantus reacted to Mephariel in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
Breaking just now...
The Supreme Court on Saturday agreed to decide whether the love theme "A Time of Quiet Between the Storms" can also act as a representation for House Atreides. In a one-page unsigned order, the justices ordered a federal appeals court to continue to keep on hold the distribution of the Dune: Part One sketchbook album in order to mitigate the possibility of evidence tempering. Composer Hans Zimmer dismissed the case, arguing that he has Oscar immunity, and cannot be persecuted for musical abstraction, a crime that carries up to 20 years in Clemmensen asylum. "I hate to call it a love theme," he added, "because it is so much more." He has yet to explain what "more" means. His assistant composer Steve Mazzaro emotionally urged the court to drop the case pleading that "Love is universal and can represent all things."
Source: Deadline
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Monoverantus reacted to Chen G. in So, THIS is now a thing... (Anime Lord of the Rings prequel)
Yeah. Its all striped anyway (which does make one wonder: are they not done with the editing?) and they're clearly going to manipulate the sound significantly in the mixing, if they want 18 violins to withstanding playing with six horns and a Rauschpfeife, which sounds like a cousin of our old friend the rhaita. So they could definitely cast some of these sounds to the background of the texture.
But I do assume at least some of these colours were concieved of as cultural, so we should expect to hear some of them with some characters more than others. And since the film does have quite a few such factions - Rohirrim, Dunlendings, Wizards (Saruman), Orcs, Haradrim and presumably Gondorians - its interesting to speculate. Certainly, the first bit of music Gallagher shared sounds to me more like something to be expected of a scene with Wulf than anything else.
I will say, the absence of, ahem, a certain instrument is as of yet quite glaring: I know that when Gallagher was doing "Blunt the Knives" he couldn't find a Hardinfelle in New Zealand, so you gotta wonder... Maybe in the coming days, though!
And the really interesting thing? Some of these Medieval instruments tend to come tuned to the Dorian mode...
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Chen G. in So, THIS is now a thing... (Anime Lord of the Rings prequel)
Not improbable, but tbf they don't necessarily have to be center-stage instruments to define a specific culture.
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Monoverantus reacted to Chen G. in So, THIS is now a thing... (Anime Lord of the Rings prequel)
Yep. Also Tibetan singing bowls (a Smaug-y sound!), wooden fish and the now-mandatory taikos. Gallagher also told someone in his notices that there are more medieval instruments yet to come!
I kind of did a roundup of the orchestrations from what I could tell from the pictures and partitura:
Strings: 10 Violins I, 8 Violins II, 6 Viola, 4 Violoncelli, 2 Contrabasses.
Woodwinds: 2 Flutes and 1 Piccolo, 2 Oboes and 1 Cor Anglais, 2 Clarinets and 1 Bass Clarinet, 2 Basoons and 1 Contraforte; at least two Crumhorns, doubling multiple registers, seemingly bass, tenor and soprano; at least two shawms also doubling several registers and on Rauschpfeife and Dulcian.
Brass: 6 horns, 2 Trumpets, 2 Trombones and 1 Bass Trombone.
Keyboards: 1 Grand Piano
Percussion: At least 2 percussionists on Taiko (O-Daiko, Chu-Daiko, Hira-Daiko and Shime-Daiko), gong, fish temple blocks, tibetan singing bowls, possibly vibraphone.
Interesting to imagine what some of these colours are for: Even not bearing the Shore scores in mind, I'm having a hard time imagining Helm striding into Meduseld and hearing singing bowls, and somehow it also doesn't strike me as a Dunlending sound: Maybe for the Southrons?
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Chen G. in So, THIS is now a thing... (Anime Lord of the Rings prequel)
Unsurprisingly, we're getting shawms too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4fPZ8kMkCK/
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Faleel in So, THIS is now a thing... (Anime Lord of the Rings prequel)
Unsurprisingly, we're getting shawms too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4fPZ8kMkCK/
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Monoverantus reacted to Nick1Ø66 in The Rings of Power show discussion - spoilers allowed for all aired episodes
Hush now, Bespin, Bespin, don't you cry
Mama's gonna check out all of your books for you
Mama won't let any Tolkien get through
Mama's gonna keep you right under her wing
She might let you read, but not Lord of the Rings
Mamma's gonna keep Bespin, Middle-Earth Free
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Monoverantus reacted to Jay in The Lord Of The Rings General Discussion Thread
What do you guys think?
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Bofur01 in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
Wow, this is invaluable work! I'm a bit late on the hype train, but I'm working on a video breaking down the thematic storytelling in HZ's Dune scores, and these lists have saved me a lot of time. I'd like to credit both you and @WampaRat when I'm done.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Jay in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
Wow, this is invaluable work! I'm a bit late on the hype train, but I'm working on a video breaking down the thematic storytelling in HZ's Dune scores, and these lists have saved me a lot of time. I'd like to credit both you and @WampaRat when I'm done.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from MaxMovieMan in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
Wow, this is invaluable work! I'm a bit late on the hype train, but I'm working on a video breaking down the thematic storytelling in HZ's Dune scores, and these lists have saved me a lot of time. I'd like to credit both you and @WampaRat when I'm done.
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Monoverantus reacted to MaxMovieMan in Hans Zimmer's DUNE PART TWO (2024)
To carry on @WampaRat’s thematic glossary I put together a thematic breakdown of the score as well as the chronological order. I’ve seen the film three times now and honestly it’s one of the best things I’ve watched in a long time. In combination with Part One I’d say this is a 10/10 movie. There are a lot of unreleased tracks so I’ll update this once the FYC comes out.
RETURNING THEMES/MOTIFS
Dune Main Theme -
I’ll be classifying the four-note theme as the “A” theme and the eight-note theme as the “B” theme to stay consistent. When both play at once I’ll refer to it as the main theme.
Fate/“The One” Theme -
This theme is extremely underplayed on album. The theme in this film basically becomes Jessica’s after she… changes. It’s played on woodwinds quite a lot as she enacts her plans. There is a major missing variation of this theme that plays towards the end of the film. It has the Kwisatz Haderach motif as a counterpoint. I’m sure this will be on the FYC album.
Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords -
Sadly this motif takes a backseat in this score. It plays a select couple times but doesn’t nearly have the presence it did in the first film.
Tragic Noble Theme -
Another theme that is diluted this time around. It has a great appearance at the end of “Only I Will Remain” but that track doesn’t actually play during the film only the credits.
Impending Doom Motif -
Although not actually appearing as much as it did in the first film, this motif makes a major impact on the film by playing in select important scenes relating to Paul’s dark future or even the darker actions he takes here.
Sorrow/Loss Motif -
Sadly not featured on the album but there is a track in the film that features this motif. It plays twice and both times relates to how the Bene Gesserit prophecy is taking over the Fremen and leading them to war. Hopefully this track will be on FYC album.
House Atreides/Paul and Chani’s Love Theme -
This theme goes from barely being featured in the first film to becoming the main theme of the second. It evolves from the bagpipe power anthem for House Atreides to a beautiful woodwind/Blade Runner-esque love theme for Paul and Chani.
Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant
Arrakis Drum Motif
Harkonnen Screech
Harkonnen Clang
Fremen Chimes -
This is a new motif that I noticed upon rewatching both films. It’s like a small little chime march that appears when characters are walking through the rocky terrain of the Sietches. It has a big appearance that’s not on the new album but it’s when…
(Sandwalk Video (FYC) - 0:22)
(Stillsuits - 1:55)
NEW THEMES/MOTIFS
Feyd Rautha Motif -
Heard more in the film itself, this is a dark cello motif that represents the chaotically evil Feyd Rautha.
(Harkonnen Arena - 0:00, 0:44)
(Seduction - 0:00)
Kwisatz Haderach Motif -
New dark three-note cello motif for the culmination of the Bene Gesserit breeding process; the Kwisatz Haderach. Also has a drum rhythm behind it. Blares loud in theaters and often acts as a counterpoint to other main themes. It represents both Paul and Feyd as they’re both prospects for the Kwisatz Haderach.
(Harkonnen Arena - 4:48)
(Travel South - 0:06)
(Arrival - 0:00)
(You Fought Well - 0:12)
The Emperor’s Motif -
Loud and grand motif that represents the emperor of the known universe. Features choir and some brass which most of Dune doesn’t have.
(The Emperor - 0:39)
TRACK-BY-TRACK BREAKDOWN (In chronological order)
Eclipse
0:30 - Arrakis Drum Motif
0:45 - Tragic Noble Theme
1:02 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords
1:20 - Tragic Noble Theme
1:36 - Impending Doom Motif
3:00 - Arrakis Drum Motif
The Sietch
0:02 - Fremen Chimes
0:40 - Dune “A” Theme
1:12 - Dune Main Theme
1:24 - Dune “A” Theme
2:15 - Fate/“The One” Theme
2:22 - Arrakis Drum Motif
Cistern of Souls
Water of Life
0:12 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant
The Beauty and the Horror
Beginnings Are Such Delicate Times
0:00 - Arrakis Drum Motif
0:19 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme
Paul and Chani
Harvester Attack
1:04 - Arrakis Drum Motif
1:45 - Impending Doom Motif
3:10 - Dune “A” Theme
A Time of Quiet Between Storms
0:28 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme
Worm Ride
0:03 - Arrakis Drum Motif
0:44 - Fate/“The One” Theme
0:51 - Dune Main Theme
Jessica’s Manipulation
Jessica Heads South
Ornithopter Attack
0:03 - Harkonnen Screech
0:06 - Harkonnen Clang
1:30 - I don’t know what theme this is but it sounds like something from Batman lol.
Bene Gesserit Plan
Each Man Is a Little War
Harkonnen Arena
0:00 - Feyd Rautha Motif
0:52 - Harkonnen Screech
1:25 - Feyd Rautha Motif
4:48 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif Rhythm
5:00 - Harkonnen Screech
The Baron’s Gift
Seduction
0:00 - Feyd Rautha Motif
0:04 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant
0:50 - Bene Gesserit Seduction Theme
Feyd’s Anointment
Gurney Reunion
War is Coming
Atreides Arsenal
Baby Sandworm
Spice
The Bombing of Sietch Tabr
Never Lose Me
0:09 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme
Travel South
0:06 - Dune “A” Theme
0:06 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif
0:54 - Fate/“The One” Theme
Paul Drinks
0:35 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme
Paul’s Vision
Resurrection
0:04 - Fate/“The One” Theme
0:58 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant
1:35 - Impending Doom Motif
Arrival
0:00 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif
0:56 - Dune “A” Theme
Southern Messiah
1:22 - Impending Doom Motif
1:42 - Bene Gesserit Whispers/Chant
2:02 - Impending Doom Motif
4:05 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords
4:18 - Tragic Noble Theme
4:43 - Arrakis Drum Motif
4:46 - Impending Doom Motif
The Emperor
0:39 - The Emperor’s Motif
The Baron Confronts the Emperor
Long Live the Fighters
Worm Army
1:30 - Dune “A” Theme
2:14 - Bane?!?
2:32 - Dune “A” Theme
Paul Kills the Baron
Gurney Battle
0:05 - Harkonnen Screech
0:26 - House Atreides Theme
2:05 - Harkonnen Screech
You Fought Well
0:01 - Dune “B” Theme
0:12 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif
0:48 - Dune “B” Theme
0:48 - Kwisatz Haderach Motif
Kiss the Ring
0:33 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme
Only I Will Remain
0:00 - House Atreides/Paul and Chani Love Theme
3:42 - Arrakis Drum Motif
3:54 - Tragic Noble Theme
5:29 - Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords
Lisan al Gaib
0:00 - Fate/“The One” Theme
0:05 - Arrakis Drum Motif
2:30 - Dune “B” Theme
4:09 - Dune Main Theme
6:11 - Arrakis Drum Motif
Correct me on any mistakes I made and I hope you enjoyed the post.
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Monoverantus got a reaction from Chen G. in So, THIS is now a thing... (Anime Lord of the Rings prequel)
Seems indeed like they're striping. They started with the winds, now they're doing strings.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4C4lQTrhbQ/