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Anyway, I decided to collect all cues from Battle of Naboo sequence in one video. In fact, there is nothing new here, just wondering how it looks and sounds all together. All unrecorded/unreleased fragments are my mokaping. Many thanks to @Permanent Waves for the restore videos (especially for Take To Your Ships, I wouldn't have guessed how to sync it).
Important notes:
The most unclear sync of the second half of the 6M4 The Big Army cue (the appearance of Darth Maul), this scene has clearly been heavily reworked. I had to skip the beginning of the duel, because it's not clear what should be between the 6M4 and 6M5 cues.
I also used 6M11 End Of Darth Maul cue, which is a new ending for the 6M10 cue, and was already written for the final cut. The earlier version lacked a short scene with the gungans, and the Maul's death underscores in much more optimistic way.
 
6M1 The Armies Face-Off (-2:06) 6M1X Randy's Forest Mist (0:29-0:50) 6M2 Lazer Fight (2:08-3:15) 6M3 Take To Your Ships (3:15-4:46) 6M4 The Big Army (4:46-7:06) 6M5 Droid Battle (7:11-9:42) 6M6 Up The Wire (9:42-10:21) 6M7 The Great Dual (10:21-13:14) 6M8-9 Qui-Gon's Noble End (13:14-15:34) 6M10 Blowups And The Death Of Darth Maul (15:40-17:10, w/o original ending) 6M11N End Of Darth Maul (17:09-end)
 
Btw, I just realized that the 6M1 insert (Randy's Forest Mist) appears to have been written for a different version of the cue (which sounds in the movie), but I don't know the truth.

Now The Rise of Skywalker...
 
Here is the mockup of the 2M1 Cockpit Dialogue, which was one of the first cues written for the film. It's believed that the cue is an early version of the Falcon Flight, and I thought so too, but judging by the sync hints in the sheets, this is not quite the case.
I, of course, cannot be sure, but it looks like in the early cut (when there were 9 reels) there was some scene with a Poe and Finn's flight BEFORE getting the spy's message and lightspeed skipping. At the same time, Skipping itself, apparently, was cut out at that moment. Then they decided to greatly reduce this scene, but return the chase. Again, this is speculation, but I like this theory.
Anyway, Williams moved some ideas into the Falcon Flight (same tempo, tremolo strings, Heroics theme). At the same time, 2M1 cue seems to have been recorded, since some bits can be heard in the film. In this case, it turns out that the Falcon Flight had 2 versions, and 1 insert, and they were all recorded for the first reel.
Unfortunately, I have no idea how to fill in a lot of the missing video material, so I just inserted the hints from the sketch. Also, towards the end, some shots don't sync well (in particular, when TIEs arrive).
 

 
Also, many thanks to @BrotherSound for breakdown the cues, and their hypothetical chronological order.

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).

Hey, Guys, I updated the main post with all my videos that were buried in the thread, including AOTC, ROTS, ROTJ, and updated/redone versions of cues from the TPM Finale. @ragoz350

Hello there! I wanted to share my review of the Hollywood Bowl concert (Maestro of the Movies) that took place on September 4, 2021. It was my first time seeing John Williams live, and I'm so grateful to have had the experience. 
--Xanthe (from Star Wars Music Minute)
 
 

We all know how much 'Charging Fort Wagner' cue sounds so similar to the famous Classcial Piece Carmina Burana and how James Horner ripped it off for GLORY.

But the actually truth is how much he was forced if not influenced by the director to use the piece in the tapestry of the score. In 1992 James Horner did a 1 Hour Master Class Seminar for UCLA students. The entire session is taped and available on youtube. You can see that Horner explain in detail how the whole thing about  the cue came to being and how he saved the film makers from being sued becuase the director were listerally obsessed with the cue. Its a classical case of temp tracking and falling in love with it.

Ive just painstakingly transcribed the entire GLORY segment for you to read and relfect.

The actual discussion starts around 16 minutes.
 



Enjoy:


JAMES HORNER: [In] the last scene of GLORY.. The storming of Fort Wagner in the end, the director had put in temporary music: ‘Carmina Burana’ which most of you all know and is certainly a big classical 'Warhorse' so to speak, its been used everywhere on movies, in concerts. And it’s a very popular piece.

JAMES HORNER: “ He put it in for the sequence and he fell in love with it. He knew he couldn’t get it. He knew he couldn’t license it, he knew he couldn’t have it literally, but he asked me to write it sideways.

JAMES HORNER: And as an composer..

(Class Audience starts Giggling)

JAMES HORNER: …as an artist You say: Right, well, It’s over here ; you start over here. I know what he wants, I know what HE is after. It has to be done with a chorus and orchestra; it has to have a drive. And I would play for him and gradually over the course of the 3 weeks prior to the scoring sessions, he wasn’t happy, he wasn’t happy, he wasn’t happy, he wasn’t happy [indicating the sequences visually] until he was very close to where I was uncomfortable with it legally. That I felt, that he forced me into a position that I could either refuse to do the piece of music or apprise everybody that we had a legal problem and do it anyway. Which I did. But, its a .. when you know how to work the system, I knew this if I got too close to it legally he will be really screwed because he wouldn’t be able to not only use my piece of music that I recorded. He wouldn’t, he still wouldn’t be able to use Carmina Burana. What would happen is that (legally) I‘ll be forced to record a third piece of music for the sequence. And the lawyers would be telling him: you can’t have what you want that James do the score; but legally he has to do this. Okay?. And .. Ed Zwick, the director, left me alone. I did a new sequence that was original music and put it in and he ended it up liking it much better than any of the stuff that we’ve done before.

JAMES HORNER: But we never would have gone to that point unless I forced the issue by actually going legally to close the Carmina Burana or we would be sued by the Estate. All of those things happened. It’s fascinating. Sometimes, sometimes.. directors, you know, put temporary mood.. music in a movie ..and they would fall in love with it. And no composer alive can get him out of that way of thinking. That’s .. how he starts thinking. He edits the movie with that music in it, he dreams about it, he thinks about it, or she thinks about it ..

JAMES HORNER: Then they come to hire the poor composer….

[Class Audience starts laughing]

JAMES HORNER: …and they say: “the slate is clean I don’t have a preconception in my mind” You know.. all it takes is 20 minutes worth of him to find out…”No I don’t like that”, "No I don’t like that, ”No I don’t Like that” “ Well the temporary score we did this and it works very well for me” And you find that all of the directors do that. That’s part of working in Hollywood.

Since my mind's on it, here's an attempt at a transcription of the brass chorale from midway through the 2nd movement, the "Thornhille-esque" harmony part
 

 

In 'The Force Awakens Suite for Orchestra' [John Williams Signature Edition] there are two options at the end of the 'Jedi Steps and Finale'
 
Concert Ending

 
Film Ending

 
That recording above they opted for the concert version. 

Made a mini-mockup of a small cue 3m23 No, No... No! from TFA. This cue is completely cut from the film, but some bits remain in one of the documentaries.
The cue is intended for the scene where Rey and Finn are trying to fix the ship and Finn talks about "his" base.
One interesting thing about this cue is the nice "quiet" use of the Pursuit theme in a slightly ironic context.
There are at least two versions of this cue - but the "revised" version is a slightly abridged version of the original, adapted for new cut. Something like this would look like a scene with this music (here I used the "Revised" version, but I had to adapt some shots, since the cue was even shorter than the scene).

 
And here is the original version separately, if anyone is interested.

ragoz350 · TFA 3M23 No, No... No!  

I’ve attempted to piece together what’s actually heard in the final cut, which is—believe it or not—even more convoluted than the November 11th version, with considerably more tracking and micro-editing of cues. The GEMA database reveals the order each cue initially appears in the film, but there’s so much tracking even that information isn’t as helpful as it might seem.
 
 

I'd never heard this story before. So I asked a few of my English friends if they thought the Harry Potter theme sounded Russian. They either said something like "yes" or "I can see that".
 
And having lived in Russia for a few years, I have several Russian friends, and I asked a few of them if they thought the Harry Potter themed sounded "Russian". Every one of them said no. One laughed. Well, not actually laughed, this was a text, so to quote her it was . Another thought Williams sounded more like Holst. Mentioning Tchaikovsky's influence on JW didn't move the needle.
 
So there it is. As for me, I think it sounds vaguely Russian the way non-Russians imagine Russian music to sound. Or more specifically, I find vaguely suggestive of old Russia. But then again, I'm not Russian.

Oh, good catch! I’ll update my OST breakdown.
 
Actually, the spectrogram makes it seem that passage was edited in, so it’s likely to actually be sourced from 1M8. Unusually for a Williams OST track, ‘Anthem of Evil’ seems to contain a lot of short edits of sections of multiple cues and even pitch-shifting.

I don't know what to tell you on this one, Thor. It's a similar descending melodic idea with an identical rhythm.
 
The other one that comes to mind is that ostinato he uses in Seven Years in Tibet, Memoirs, and Force Awakens. Sort of like the Ludlow Motif how it hangs around on low notes then bounces up irregularly like an EKG.
 
 
 
 
I seem to remember it popped up again in Rise of Skywalker.
 
Don't we have a John Williams Self-Plagiarism thread? I feel like there were a bunch of these examples in there.

In the sketch, the duration is listed as 5:35. 

In the cue itself, I also like how a new theme (Psalm of the Sith) appears: first, at 1:50-2:17, one motif is repeated, which later becomes part of a new theme (4:36).
I also like that many of the local phrases (in particular, alto flute and cello) use lowered IV degree (or Hungarian scale), which emphasizes the similarity of the Kylo Ren and Palpatine themes heard in this cue (which are also written in this sсale).
 

In the sketch, the duration is listed as 5:35. 

In the cue itself, I also like how a new theme (Psalm of the Sith) appears: first, at 1:50-2:17, one motif is repeated, which later becomes part of a new theme (4:36).
I also like that many of the local phrases (in particular, alto flute and cello) use lowered IV degree (or Hungarian scale), which emphasizes the similarity of the Kylo Ren and Palpatine themes heard in this cue (which are also written in this sсale).
 

In the sketch, the duration is listed as 5:35. 

In the cue itself, I also like how a new theme (Psalm of the Sith) appears: first, at 1:50-2:17, one motif is repeated, which later becomes part of a new theme (4:36).
I also like that many of the local phrases (in particular, alto flute and cello) use lowered IV degree (or Hungarian scale), which emphasizes the similarity of the Kylo Ren and Palpatine themes heard in this cue (which are also written in this sсale).
 

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).

The Rise of Skywalker again...
 
This time I tried to "restore" the full cue 1M8 Approaching The Nursey (orig: Approaching The Emperor). In fact, this cue is still partially used in the movie in the right scene, though with a lot of editing. Also, in a very abbreviated form, this cue is present in the second part of the first track of the OST.
The scene has undergone many changes, in particular, the Palpatine's speech has been shortened, and his off-screen lines (in the first half of the scene) doesn't match the sync hints in the JW's sketch. 
Also, it looks like some shots of the fleet in the middle of the scene have been added (in the movie Imperial March from 1M15 Vader's Castle sounds).
The second half of the scene is difficult to reconstruct, since the material was obviously re-shot/re-edited/re-dubbed, so I decided to leave almost only the sync hints (sorry for such kind of "restored" video, but this is a TROS).
Interestingly, the first appearance of the Psalm of the Sith in the unused part of the cue can be found. There is a similar but abbreviated string rendition in the "Join Me". The next rendition (horns and low string tremolos) is in the "Anthem of Evil" (I don’t know what cue it actually is).