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Yeah it's really awesome for this I've been messing around with that OpenVINO Audacity AI this past week, managed to get a clean opening/some unreleased parts for a few ESB cues out of the radio drama... In particular I got the ending of 9m6-10m1 Insert Bar 57 completely clean And I managed to get the 14 missing seconds of 9m6-10m1 Carbon Freeze mostly clean as well, this doesn't sound quite as good but for how terrible the source was it's pretty impressive

Woah really?? Where did he say this?

Yeah I don't actually know what a rational explanation is for these statements. Even in Empire of Dreams he says that he split the movie up and only filmed the first act. But like all of the drafts for Star Wars are available to read quite easily online... Even without those, loads of official sources have documented their contents quite extensively; it's quite obvious that Empire and Jedi were not written until, well, the development of Empire and Jedi. Even the plot of the original was not really outlined until the second draft, the two treatments and the rough/first draft was basically scrapped completely minus one or two key scenes. The only thing I can think of is maybe he meant in the sense of reusing concepts, like how the floating city of Alderaan from the drafts of Star Wars became the Cloud City of Bespin in Empire. But still in that clip he very explicitly talks about acts 2 and 3 story-wise....

That's fair; but this one is special because it was a theatrical continuation of the show - most anime movies are silly non-canon adventures that have no bearing on the plot. So being a theatrical continuation of the show it's really not that different from the Mandalorian movie except perhaps for target audience.

Woah that could be awesome. Only problem is growing editor/visitor interest on a unique domain

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Slayer:_Kimetsu_no_Yaiba_–_The_Movie:_Mugen_Train

finally, your username makes sense

Woah I definitely have to play around with these when I get home

I've only seen a few eps of TOS, TNG, and Enterprise along with most of the movies. But out of all those my favorite Star Trek is The Orville

Trees are life

Yeah I was thinking this too. I think it's pretty heavily implied that he isn't from there actually. If the Jedi were once guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic, and Yoda is 900 years old, then he must've been around for the height of the Jedi, and therefore would almost certainly not have been on Dagobah. Unless we're to believe that in the height of the Jedi Order all the prospective students were sent to Dagobah one at a time to seek Yoda, which seems very unlikely

So it's based on a true story then?

Yeah I think the problem is definitely communication. I had zero idea that there was anything wrong with the official albums until I stumbled on jwfan on a whim when I noticed the TPM CD track titles were out of order.

To be fair the last two even numbered years we've gotten Star Wars score expansions... The Rogue One one surprise dropped about 2 years ago to the date, perhaps it's a pattern

Additionally here's a TLJ spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Vpq5zjRXngkW0GfCsna4ZM4xVX7UNgRCTYprn5HePbM/edit This one is pretty much complete, I still haven't finished writing in the track names and lengths and stuff for the isolated on the complete score tab but otherwise all the info is in there. There are just a couple unknowns in the isolated score tab if anyone wants to help with those, but the rest is accurate. And here's a TROS one: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X-HjbqyhRfq5f8w-2DNUYoGWtBf9CbmfTu_RrtWhdfM/edit For the TROS one there is currently only an FYC breakdown and the final cut breakdown, which were taken directly from information kindly provided by @BrotherSound. I do also plan on porting over the Nov 11th cut info from Jay's spreadsheet, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I opted not to include an OST breakdown yet as it's mostly just guesswork without the sheets and likely inaccurate.

I don't have exact numbers off hand but it might even be less than ROTJ and the three prequels...

The left and right channels are swapped in two cues from ESB on the 1993 set. Leia's Instructions and Chewie Chokes Lando (Departure of Boba Fett). Unfortunately both are crossfaded with other cues before then so you can't just swap the channels yourself and fix it. Chewie Chokes Lando (Departure of Boba Fett) was corrected on the 1997 set, which uses the same transfer for that track, so in your rip you could nust replace that 1993 cue with the 1997 version which would fix the channels being swapped. Still wouldn't get you a clean opening though

The 2016 releases were the original OST albums. They were new transfers of the original OST masters, and many people say they're the best sounding releases of those OSTs. The 2018 releases are ground up rebuilds of the OSTs made using the session masters, those are the sets people have a lot of problems with, and are the ones currently on streaming services.

What I meant is that I have no idea where that number came from in terms of being the amount labels would have to pay. Why don't sections 8C-8G apply?

Yes I noticed that too shortly after I posted, but the most current single session fee listed in that agreement (for 2021) is only about $40 more per musician than the 2010 one, so it wouldn't substantially change the results. The example I gave would be $38k instead of $34k. I mean you can read it yourself, section 8 is about the specific rules for reuse of motion picture music for any purpose. 8A says it's not allowed to reuse motion picture music for anything but the motion picture it was recorded for, but then lists a bunch of exceptions, including those that are free and those that require fees. 8B is what I screenshotted, which is the only place in the document I saw any mention of exact numbers for how much a reuse fee is. The rest of the document just refers to them as "% of the scale wages calculated using the basic session rate (plus AFM Employers’ Pension Fund contributions) that would have been paid pursuant to the then-effective Sound Recording Labor Agreement" which I've interpreted to mean whatever the current single session fee was for the year it was recorded 8C-8G I outlined above, they're all just optional fee arrangements under which a soundtrack could be released. Now it is possible that instead of being a single session fee, the reuse fees are the total fees for all sessions, so say TFA had 20 sessions, instead of $38k it would be $760k. $760k is obviously unaffordable by any label, but under sections 8C-8G it should still be possible to pay only a tiny fraction of that. With 8E.2 it would be $64k under 10k units, which while expensive is not impossible to pay. Also @Holko mentioned before that under 8E.1 it should be free under 15k units, regardless of whatever the fees would otherwise total. Earlier in this thread, @Jaygave an example from MM of the fees being something like $360k. I have no idea where that number came from

I also did some math real quick based on the pdf I linked, which includes the actual price of 100% reuse fees. Based on this, a score like The Force Awakens with 123 musicians would have reuse fees costing $34k. An expansion like Hook will make LLL like $200k ($40 * 5000 units), even with the money that goes into licensing and paying JW and MM and Jim Titus and Jay and all the other collaborators, I can't imagine that $34k is too expensive - hell, raising the price by $7 would cover it completely! But, that's also the 100% reuse fee, as I illustrated above in most cases you shouldn't have to pay 100% fees. Under 8E.2 the reuse fees for TFA should be just under $3k. What am I missing here?

Okay I just did a deep dive reading the AFM rules on soundtrack releases and reuse fees. I do not understand at all the issue that specialty labels have with expanding scores after August 2005. Here is the AFM rules pdf: https://www.afm.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/2020-Basic-Theatrical-Motion-Picture-Agreement.pdf The section on soundtrack rules is from pgs 11-34. My understanding of this section is as follows: Soundtracks can be released under one of the provisions of section 8, which dictates when reuse fees are owed and how they are to be paid. The exact breakdown looks like this: 8A is free but only applies if used for promotional purposes 8C is pay 50% upfront and 50% after 50k sales, with an extra 20% fee if rules aren't followed and 100k sales are reached (there is a 15% discount if certain rules are followed, releases under 7.5 mins owe 100% instead) 8D is pay 25% upfront, another 25% after 25k sales, and another 50% after 50k sales, again with an extra 20% fee if rules aren't followed and 100k sales are reached (there is a 15% discount if certain rules are followed) 8E.1 is pay 50% after 15k sales, and another 50% after 50k sales, again with an extra 20% fee if rules aren't followed and 100k sales are reached (there is a 15% discount if certain rules are followed) 8E.2 is pay 10% upfront, with an additional 10% for every 10k sales up to 110k sales after which no fees are owed (there is a 15% discount if certain rules are followed) 8E also has special rules for digital releases, a full album sale = 1 sale, an individual track sale = 1/12 sale 8F is pay 50% after 200k sales, and another 50% after 380k sales, with an extra 20% fee if rules aren't followed and 450k sales are reached, only applies to singles 8G is pay 5% upfront for scores before August 14, 2005, but this fee can be waived So promotional albums like FYCs are free, as are any score expansions for scores recorded before August 14, 2005. I don't see any exemption here for reuse fees for OST releases, or for multiple volume OSTs or anything of the like. I also don't see anything saying all scores recorded after August 14, 2005 owe 100% of the fees. Quite to the contrary, couldn't a specialty label release an expansion under 8E.2 and pay just 8.5% if they sell under 10k units?

could be not enough reddit karma or some stupid shit like that. I remember having a post of mine deleted from there once too

I replied to some of the comments there. I'm shocked how much blatantly incorrect information there was, like people saying the albums are already complete or that all of the OT master tapes are missing I have dreamed before about making a YouTube video or series about this topic both to bring light to the necessity of competent expansions as well as to educate the general public about film music and all the intricacies of the Star Wars scores. If millions of people will listen to an 8 hour retrospective of someone rambling about a videogame, surely there's an audience for something similar about star wars music. There's certainly enough content for it...