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The Star Wars is better than everything thread seemed to have lost traction, so I've returned to the place I call home on the JWFan Forums. From this point forward, I will speak about Star Wars only in this thread.
 
Below is a 'special edition' of my latest - and last ever - post from the other thread.
 
Everyone is welcome to respond to my points and questions originally directed to @Schilkeman.
 
 
A couple of weeks ago, I noticed that you said, "For Star Wars, I think a great deal is gained by watching the prequels."  I asked you specifically what you garnered from these three films.
 
You said the prequels were "a cinematically exuberant exploration of the hubristic downfall of a society, and the self-corrupting nature of blame-shifting", which you called "a thesis of the prequels in one sentence". However, your vague summary mentioned no plots, no character motives, and no relation to the narrative and themes of the Original Trilogy.
 
Do you think the prequels are significantly related to the (chronologically) next trilogy? There's also a third trilogy. Do you think it relates to the previous two? If so, how?
 
 
Being able to explain something simply is no indication that 'you know it well enough'. It just means you're able to use a relative few words to explain it from your own perspective. How can you be assured - or at the very least, convinced - that your understanding is correct?
 
You also implied that anyone who - after watching those films - thought “man, this series really needs another six films to explain itself” would be a "fool". I agree... but from a vastly different perspective. Six more films were not needed for the story to explain itself... or just the additional three of the OT. In total, twelve are needed for what was always planned for The Star Wars Saga.
 
 
Do you think I am biased? Concerning my answers and arguments, what strong evidence have I not provided?
 
 
No, just unknowingly ignorant, having assumed you understand the story. Can you please answer the fundamental questions I posed to you? Here they are again:
 
- Did the prequels alter your overall interpretation of the grander story? If so, how?
 
- Ultimately, do you think Star Wars shows that the good guys beat the bad guys, some of whom on both sides had mysterious magic powers... that a Republic-based society collapsed - after a 1000 years of corruption from within by a truly menacing, powerful sect - but was on the road to being reestablished just 23 years later with 'the new Jedi' and 'new Republic', which would be expected to get it right the next time, for some unknown reason. (Or if the sequels are accepted, just 54 years would have passed until the new New Republic and new New Jedi Order began being established. In this case, the Republic and Jedi would be on their third attempts.)
 
- With that interpretation, wouldn't Star Wars be a rather lame story littered with plot holes, inconsistencies, and incomplete/unconfirmed elements of the lore and narrative and with questionable lessons concerning morality and temperance... most notably, that good intentions are enough to win against oppression and evil?
 
- Do you have a different interpretation of the grander Star Wars story, perhaps one that yields greater meaning?
 
- Whatever your interpretation may be, can you support your assessment with facts, logic, and canon evidence, as I have? Or have you just assumed everything?
  
 
Regarding my approach and efforts to truly understand Star Wars, I've already proven that I have no 'inabilities'... unlike others here - and many around the world - who have assumed, complained, and persisted without insight for years or decades.
 
Sooner or later, I expect you'll come to realize that the only 'nonsense' here was espoused by those with a child-like interpretation of this mythological story, those who thought they understood it so well to the extent of dismissing and/or underestimating whole swaths of the canon.
 
What a mistake that will prove to have been.
 
 
No, not 'impressive' at all... just highly dismissive and short-sighted. Which 2-3 films do you count?
 
 
Rather than posting another summary of what I think Star Wars is about, here's the back of a Hasbro 50th Anniversary Star Wars Episode I figurine:
 

 
From my point of view, that's quite a tease.
 
 
Persistence. Things that excite rarely become tiresome.

I’m on a Newman binge but I’ll finish tonight with this since work is calling.
 
What a gorgeous work this is. All the Newman mannerisms you’d want, plus some beautiful vocal work (some of which is heavily processed but used as an instrument as much as any).
 
Superb stuff.

He won't. Before this super slow thread is loaded he will already have lost interest and go somewhere else.
But I stand by my word. The similarity is obvious. But the original is at least a hundred times better.
 

I agree. For a composer who is generally uninterested in scoring action films I think Newman wrote some pretty engaging action music. The opening chase in Skyfall is brilliantly scored IMO.

Book Thief is a good one for snowy situations, especially contemplative ones.

Terrific thread!
 
For me, probably this:
 
 
Or, better yet, the entire album. Nothing quite conjures up wintry backdrop the way this score does.
 
Karol 
 
 

This place is great and thank you to all involved as admins and as posters.

Unfortunately, I have to agree that this thread has gotten out of hand… A snide quip or snarky joke here or there at an opportune moment is fine IMO, but veering off topic completely (i.e. the issues and merits of this latest release) and having tit for tat arguments is disappointing. 
 
I sympathise more with those who are frustrated by the numerous issues that have affected Intrada’s releases over the years, and the fact that Intrada seem not to make much effort to ensure their latest releases don’t have similar problems. As I’ve said before, the fact they are a label which produces exclusive and highly desirable soundtrack expansions doesn’t provide them with the justification to say, “All legitimate complaints about our release are invalid or hateful, because without us there would be no new release for you.” Yes, we are grateful for the expanded scores, but as paying customers, we are hope to expect products of a high quality (which means CDs without noticeable audio errors or playback issues). Blaming the customer for listening too closely or bringing up potential issues is not a good look methinks.
 
BUT this derailed thread full of needless “serious” arguments between members has unfortunately buried the legitimate findings and criticisms of this great resource of a site. I am glad to see a return to discussion of the music.

ANY label resurrecting an OOP title for another group of fans to pick it up gets big points from me.  I liked when Intrada brought back Clash of the Titans and The Shadow.  More of this. Even if it’s not a title for me personally, more of this. 

Unfortunately, I have to agree that this thread has gotten out of hand… A snide quip or snarky joke here or there at an opportune moment is fine IMO, but veering off topic completely (i.e. the issues and merits of this latest release) and having tit for tat arguments is disappointing. 
 
I sympathise more with those who are frustrated by the numerous issues that have affected Intrada’s releases over the years, and the fact that Intrada seem not to make much effort to ensure their latest releases don’t have similar problems. As I’ve said before, the fact they are a label which produces exclusive and highly desirable soundtrack expansions doesn’t provide them with the justification to say, “All legitimate complaints about our release are invalid or hateful, because without us there would be no new release for you.” Yes, we are grateful for the expanded scores, but as paying customers, we are hope to expect products of a high quality (which means CDs without noticeable audio errors or playback issues). Blaming the customer for listening too closely or bringing up potential issues is not a good look methinks.
 
BUT this derailed thread full of needless “serious” arguments between members has unfortunately buried the legitimate findings and criticisms of this great resource of a site. I am glad to see a return to discussion of the music.

Strange for these comments to be directed towards Holko and Crumbs, blaming them for having a negative impact on the forum... Having been here for a few years, I generally find their posts to be some of the most informative (and, sometimes, funny) on the site. 
 
Jurassic Shark on the other hand...

Fellas, come on. It's just a small technical error, it's not worth getting at each other's throats over.
 
It is 100% an error and not a different take, nor do I believe it was done for creative reasons, and I'd love for them to fix it. But they're not going to want to if this is how we act. I'd assume the best way to get them to change something is getting more people to acknowledge the issue and raise our concerns with Intrada, not insulting their staff and alienate people that might be swayed otherwise. We can share our evidence of this simply being human error without being condescending. Unfortunately Roger can seem to be a little "gaslight-y" at times, but I think persistently bringing up these issues in a civil manner is the best chance we have to get them to admit they made a boo-boo and patch it up. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I certainly don't think arguing about it is going to help either party.

I want to thank everybody for checking in - me and my family are safe.
 

Strange for these comments to be directed towards Holko and Crumbs, blaming them for having a negative impact on the forum... Having been here for a few years, I generally find their posts to be some of the most informative (and, sometimes, funny) on the site. 
 
Jurassic Shark on the other hand...

Strange for these comments to be directed towards Holko and Crumbs, blaming them for having a negative impact on the forum... Having been here for a few years, I generally find their posts to be some of the most informative (and, sometimes, funny) on the site. 
 
Jurassic Shark on the other hand...

I know we're living in a post-truth society but demonstrating facts with proven evidence is not presenting an opinion.
 
As for calling people aggressive or making belittling comments, I'll just point out that you instigated this with the following comment:

 
So, y'know, pot kettle black.
 
Either way, seems pointless discussing the issue with you any further if you're refusing to even listen to the evidence provided. And you clearly have an axe to grind with people here (though you might be better off using that axe to remove the world's biggest chip from your shoulder).

Just catching up.  Who Fired First?

mstrox be like
 

This is an awful lot of hubbub about Walt Disney’s Dinosaur soundtrack!

Ignoring evidence meant to help you perceive reality is not the best way to prove your non-blind non-fanboyism.

Roger, is that you?

Balfe release confirmed!

You mean like this Orc?
 

 
Or this one?
 

 
Or that one?
 

 
Oh, I know: this one!
 

 
Surely you mean this one:
 

 
Perhaps this one?
 

 
Oh, I've got it! These ones: