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    MikeH reacted to Disco Stu in "Violin Concerto No. 2 and Selected Film Themes" Williams / Mutter album & Blu Ray   
    Very true.  He saved Christmas, went to jail, went to camp, etc.
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    MikeH reacted to Tom in "Violin Concerto No. 2 and Selected Film Themes" Williams / Mutter album & Blu Ray   
    That is one of the best interviews with Williams I have ever heard.  
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    MikeH reacted to ocelot in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    No idea. All I know is that she could not come up with a theme and Kathleen went to Williams to come up with one for Obi Wan. That i know is true.
    I personally do not think Holt is a good composer on something like Star Wars. It's all bland and has no emotional impact. I did like some of the scoring in episode three though, there is some syncopation and some rhythmic ideas, HOWEVER, what BEWILDERS me beyond belief is that we see Darth Vader and the pay off would have been huge with the Imperial March and we don't even get a hint of it? Even in Mandalorian, when they talk about Yoda, you hear his theme, when Luke uses the force, we get the force theme. What on earth is going on here?! What IDIOT green lit no use of the Imperial March. Yes Williams does not want certain composers mishandling his themes but you have Bill Ross here who can arrange any and all Williams themes specifically for when they are needed like with Vader and Force theme usage. I also agree with whomever said, why not give the whole show to Bill Ross.
    As a gay man I understand the whole "diversity" and "inclusion" hence Holt being named composer so they can say, oh look, we hired a woman here (again something I heard in the Hollywood grapevine). But I also think get the best person for the job. 
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    MikeH reacted to mstrox in OBI-WAN KENOBI (Disney+ series)   
    I find the writing and directing perfectly good.  The things I’m seeing people call bad are just conventions of the genre which have been present in various ways since 1977 and well before.  Mustache twirling villains tying people to train tracks and what have you.
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    MikeH reacted to crocodile in The Official Bernard Herrmann Thread   
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    MikeH reacted to Tydirium in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    My brother just showed me this video he found. What could have been...
    EDIT: LOL, posted this over at the main Star Wars sub on reddit:
    "It’s too loud for the scene. Focuses too much on Vader and not enough on the shock on Kenobi’s face. They did it better bud."
    "I think the score in the show matches the scene and tone better than this."
    "sorry mate but i'm not feelin' this."
    "There's more to Star Wars scoring than reusing old themes. There's a whole musical galaxy out there - you need to see that."
    I'm not saying that I think this "fix" is perfect; it's more like a temp track, and obviously it would have been done differently in the show if Ross or somebody scored it. Either way, I don't understand these people... It's depressing. Thankfully, I've seen a lot of SW fans elsewhere who have been calling out the problems with this show's score.
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    MikeH reacted to crocodile in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Vader's origin theme?
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    MikeH reacted to LSH in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Ross was always my top choice, tying with Powell.
    I always had high hopes, regardless of the composer, but I guess it's only now that we're hearing the final result, you wish they hadn't pissed around with it. I'm all for giving young new composers a chance to get on the ladder but it seems this was far too much of a prestige project to gamble on inexperience.
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    MikeH reacted to Luke Skywalker in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Ross would have been the perfect main-only composer for this series. Its a shame they wont let him shine.
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    MikeH reacted to Tydirium in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    I've been re-listening through the episode, and I think you're right. I admit I wrongly judged that brass triplet spot a bit harshly initially; really I think it just felt jarring after all the RCP stuff I had been hearing. It does sound a lot closer to JW's style, and I also noticed that that cue actually starts a bit earlier, and continues to go on for quite a while... Notice how it's perfectly scored to line up with the scenes switching back and forth between Obi-Wan/Vader, Tala/Leia, and Reva.
    When Reva is snooping around, there is a very Star-Wars-y horn line that shows up a couple times (reminds me of the beginning of the new logo music), and the string writing for the Tala/Leia scenes also reminds me more of JW. The second brassy spot later in the duel actually reminds me a lot of Ross' score for Tale of Despereaux, namely this (start at 0:07):
    So, I think it's safe to say that he scored most of the duel!
    Yep, I agree completely. Love that horn solo of the Obi-Wan theme! It felt very classic-Star-Wars, and really stood apart from everything up to that point.
    I swear, if the cue for the duel doesn't get released and properly credited...
    Considering the fact that I think there are going to be two digital soundtrack albums of three episodes each (someone correct me if I'm wrong), they really have no good reason to leave any of the Ross stuff off. Come to think of it, I wonder who is primarily editing together the album; I hope Ross' music gets adequately represented. And really, his name ought to be included on the cover.
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    MikeH reacted to Fabulin in What are your thoughts on John Williams' new theme for Obi-Wan?   
    They work excellently in the end credits, the combination of the theme and the ostinato. Not only do they keep the tension running after the end of an episode, as good TV music often does, but one has the feeling, at least there at the end of an episode, that one has watched something with a Williams score. Carpe diem, this is one of the last times anyone will feel that towards a contemporary production.
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    MikeH reacted to Tydirium in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Why not give Bill Ross the whole show, then? I think everybody would have been happy if he was the main guy.
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    MikeH reacted to Tydirium in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Just watched the third episode...
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    MikeH reacted to DangerMotif in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    You lose the right to ignore that stuff when Darth Vader shows up.
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    MikeH reacted to Falstaft in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    This show is testing my patience, musically. 
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    MikeH reacted to Tydirium in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    Wow. You know exactly what I mean. John Williams defined a sound for the main saga over the course of multiple decades; there is definitely a traditional "Star Wars" sound. That's what I'm talking about here, but again, you know that.
    I don't mind the soundscape changing and evolving either. That's why I have no problem with Goransson's Mando, or the Kiners' Bad Batch, etc. I'm excited to see what Britell will do for Andor, and I don't expect him to sound like JW. I appreciate new contributions to the universe.
    "DNA" isn't good enough in this case. There is not a single statement of the Imperial March in the entire episode! Including the Vader scenes. Also, Giacchino's Imperial theme was one of my least favorite things about that score. It should have just been the Imperial March.
    I wouldn't count on it. Even if we get it later on, there's still no excuse for its absence from this episode.
    No, I enjoy those. I and others have addressed previously in this thread why this particular show is different. I'm not sure what is so hard to understand about the fact that this show is essentially Episode 3.5 (and has been marketed as being directly tied to the prequels, baiting us with Duel of the Fates and Battle of the Heroes in the trailers), and features the return of Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christensen, Joel Edgerton, Jimmy Smitts, etc.
    This isn't just any old Disney+ Star Wars show; this is supposed to be the biggest one yet, and the fact that it's a limited series rather than a multi-season affair, just goes to highlight that it's special. Why wouldn't you want/expect a continuation of the JW sound in this particular show? I don't care what kind of music they use for the other shows; all I wanted was this one show to sound like JW's Star Wars. The fact that you are assuming I am against other styles or other composers—when I have no problem with them—makes it seem like you really don't understand my point of view.
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    MikeH reacted to igger6 in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    I haven't watched episode 3 yet, but this is astonishing news.  I'm mystified.  I hope someone asks Holt about this, since she has decided to engage with online commentary on the score on social media.  I mean, divorce it from any other context and present it as a hypothetical: you're creating a Star Wars show and Darth Vader is to appear on screen.  Would you use the Imperial March or not?  I imagine that a random poll of regular people or of devoted film score fans would both have answered overwhelmingly the same way at any point in the past 42 years.  This is probably the most famous melody in cinema at this point.  What can possibly explain the omission?
    If she's withholding the melody for some greater moment, it's hard to see what it could be.  The March has always been Vader's "reveal" music as much as it's been anything else.  It even scores the arrival of troops and ships on Vader's team in the movies and video games.  (I'm one of the few who wished it had been used for Imperial establishing shots in Rogue One.)
    See, I was really hoping for a little of Luke's theme on piccolo or something.
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    MikeH reacted to Not Mr. Big in Natalie Holt's OBI-WAN KENOBI (2022)   
    I thought this was a really well scored scene. This has to be either Williams or Ross, given how closely related it is to the Williams theme.  
    I hear a bit of the descending b section of Across the Stars though it's likely coincidental.  
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    MikeH reacted to Bespin in Maestro (Bradley Cooper 2023) formerly Steven Spielberg's Possible Leonard Bernstein Biopic   
    A gay man who lived a married life with a wife and kids - I’m interested in this because it was more common than we might think.
    My grandfather on my dad's side had a respectable job in government and was a gay man. He was married for over 50 years to the same wife, with whom he had 4 children.
    During a time when people lived to "maintain appearances," they might have been preserving appearances outwardly, but at what personal cost? My grandmother once asked my father to hide her husband’s shoes so he wouldn't go out at night. Sometimes he would return home drunk and accompanied – it was a challenging childhood.
    Certainly, Leonard Bernstein was far more multifaceted than merely being a gay man who got married.
    In any case, it's an intriguing topic, and I hope that today, people are able to live their lives authentically without concealing their true selves or resorting to deception with their loved ones.
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    MikeH reacted to Jay in What are your thoughts on John Williams' new theme for Obi-Wan?   
    I listened to the live performance, the single, and then the End Credits version on my way to work this morning.

    Well, I like the theme a lot!  It's poignant, fun, and catchy.  I really like the ostinato part.

    The end credits version might be my favorite of the 3 options.  Looking forward to hearing the OST album to hear more Ross arrangements of it
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    MikeH reacted to Not Mr. Big in What are your thoughts on John Williams' new theme for Obi-Wan?   
    I like the turbulent ostinato in the middle of the piece.  It reminds me of the interludes in classic 2000s JW pieces (Across the Stars, Fawkes the Phoenix, Window to the Past)
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    MikeH reacted to Will in Williams composing fanfare for the Hollywood Bowl centennial - "Centennial Overture"   
    Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere, but we are apparently just days away from the premiere of a new Williams piece!!! 

    So exciting -- JW in celebratory fanfare mode is my favorite style of his!!
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    MikeH reacted to ocelot in A piece of mine, Earth, Just got released online.   
    It's my birthday so just wanted to share.
    Enjoy xox
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