MikeH reacted to phbart in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!
Finally got to see it last night. So many recognizable themes from the trilogy throughout the film. I wonder how many people in the theater were able to spot those themes
It's soooooooo satisfying to see this in the credits.
MikeH reacted to Tom in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!
So, its that time of the year.
MikeH reacted to crumbs in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!
Absolutely incredible interview! Mangold not just geeking out about working with Williams but providing genuine insight into their process and how involved Williams was. First time I've heard about him watching dailies while production was ongoing and formulating the score during production.
Also fascinating is Mangold voicing his frustration at JW's initial soundtracks being so incomplete (and often filled with non-film cue suites), name-dropping LLL for coming to the rescue, while lamenting it takes 20+ years for JW scores to receive expansions. Mangold's one of us!
He has enough clout to speak to LFL/WDR/JW about changing this situation (at least for the Indy scores) so let's hope conversations are happening in the background. But it might be a good time for everyone to dust off their Twitter accounts and tell him how badly we want these expanded...
Mangold's exact comments for anyone who can't listen:
"It's forever to my chagrin that they release these albums, you know the initial release, that are like 10 or 11 tracks of John's music... but there's always these suite versions of the music. And then later, 20 years later, they'll release the full La La Land Records 96 cue versions... you know, those are the things you gotta have because they have all this incidental stuff he does that's just... brilliant."
MikeH reacted to TheUlyssesian in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!
James Mangold: Johnny! Helena's theme is great. How about we do ONE theme for the bad guys and ONE theme for the mcguffin - like in the other films?
John Williams: Yes! Yes! Yes! (laughs manically)
MikeH reacted to igger6 in STAR WARS - Live To Projection Concerts
Couldn't find a thread for this specific topic, so here goes:
Just got back from seeing TFA LTP at the Chicago Symphony last night. Man, what a score to hear live! My brother and I assumed our usual CSO practice of loitering on the main floor, enjoying the atmosphere and legroom, until the real buyers of our seats arrived—but this time, they never came! So we enjoyed the whole movie from the fourth row!
This was one of my last live Holy Grails among the available scores (Superman is still out there), and it was a delight. The opening chord blew the socks off the version on the sequel trilogy OSTs, Rey's Theme finally managed to overpower the sound of her speeder, and I was actually able to perceive Scherzo for X-Wings during the bombing run. The brass was fantastic as always, but Williams' action music for strings shone particularly brightly live (maybe because violins and cellos are about all you see from the main floor—but boy, do you see them! We managed to recognize and compliment a cellist on his way out of an alley after the show.) "Follow Me" and "The Falcon" were electric, and the live performance had a way of dragging this orchestrational novice into appreciating the athletic string figures that underpin the melody.
Best of all, the unbelievable "Jedi Steps and Finale" (which nearly the entire house stayed to enjoy) ended with the revised—and apparently now, definitive—ending that's on John Morris Russell's "Voyage" recording, that bombastic and celebratory interpolation of Luke's theme into the usual fanfare that ends the finale in "A New Hope." It's my favorite Williams revision of all time!
If you ever have the opportunity to see TFA live, don't miss it. This cemented that score as my favorite Williams work of the past 20 years.
Now do Phantom Menace with live choir, cowards!
MikeH reacted to crumbs in STAR WARS - Live To Projection Concerts
So interesting you had the same experience hearing TFA live as I did, @Ludwig.
It was completely revelatory to my ears, like hearing an entirely different score in some cues. All the classic Star Wars-ian accents and flourishes you'd be forgiven for thinking were missing from the score, were abound in the live performance.
That abrasively dry film recording did such a disservice to JW's score, which is rich with orchestral details that were buried, or lost entirely, in the mix.
MikeH reacted to crumbs in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!
As a diehard JW fan, the temp track love made the experience frustrating. Direct lifts from Minority Report, War of the Worlds, Tintin, and all 4 previous Indy films. I spent most of the film catching myself asking "where was that 3 second lift taken from?"
I don't blame JW in the slightest, of course. These are immensely complex and time-consuming scores. The fact we still got nearly 2 hours of original score isn't lost on me. If that meant lifting a few bars from other scores, so be it. At the end of the day, Helena's Theme is the hero of the score and it shines the brightest. It's surrounded by a plethora of kickass and totally original music; I just wish the lifts weren't as blatant.
Either way, much like the film, it's a melancholic affair. Knowing this is likely JW's final foray in film scoring. An overwhelming sense of sadness hit me during the credits, just sitting in a near-empty cinema wondering if this was the final time I'd ever hear new JW music in a theater. The film felt like closing a chapter in my life... and if that's the way JW goes out, then what a way to go.
MikeH reacted to Tom in Excerpt from Indy 5 OST track "New York, 1969" now streaming
Turns out, every track is titled "New York, 1969."
MikeH reacted to Courtney Sees Ghosts in NYT: "John Williams on 'Indiana Jones' and His Favorite Scores" (6/24/23)
Scoring “The Rise of Skywalker” in 2019, after more than 40 years with “Star Wars,” Williams said he didn’t want it to be over. “My feeling was, ‘This is fun. Let’s go back and do nine more.’”
Imagine if homie scores Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy and James Mangold's movies. LMFAO
MikeH reacted to Archive Collection in Helena's Theme (for Violin and Orchestra) performed by Anne-Sophie Mutter released as a single
Same reason why, generally, some people are still wearing masks in public: They might be concerned about losing work (if they catch COVID), especially as session musicians who don’t always have a predictable and stable income. Some are older, have a weaker immune system or have other underlying conditions and want to take an extra precaution for themselves. I don’t see any issue with it, it’s a personal choice for them to make.
MikeH reacted to KK in John Williams video featurette for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
You don't show your face around here for a bit and this is the respect I get...
This is why I need you to defend my good name!
MikeH reacted to PokeDocMatt in Anyone here succumbed to 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray?
I picked up 4k Avatar 1 and 2 for my home theater room. Started 1 tonight. I’m impressed at how well it has aged, from a technical/visual standpoint. There are so many gorgeous shots, it makes me wish Cameron would have lingered on them longer. Dolby atmos is enthralling from the first few seconds. Horner’s score is still goosebump inducing. When Jake first transfers to his Avatar and is running, I feel it with him, the new world that’s just been opened up to him. The score makes this Wizard of Oz esque about face, from black and white milataristic hopelessness, to full color audio, organic and full of life.
I can’t wait to watch Way of Water again. My first viewing at my rural, crappy, under-maintained theater was a let down. I’m sure the experience will be better at home. I think Tom Cruise would even understand if he saw what I had to put up with at the local cinema…
MikeH reacted to Courtney Sees Ghosts in John Williams video featurette for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
I cannot fathom how anyone can get mad at anybody for an interview blurb. Kathleen Kennedy can call Spielberg Steve instead of Steven and y'all will act like she kicked your grandma, your puppy, and your groin in that order.
MikeH reacted to Bellosh in John Williams video featurette for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
star wars fans go a thread without mentioning star wars challenge: impossible.
MikeH reacted to HunterTech in The Hans Zimmer Thead
The big problem with this discussion is that people refuse to engage with the actual information that exists. The artistry of the film composer is so romanticized here that the notion that it could be a team effort is not given any modicum of respect. I can understand being underwhelmed with the end result much of the time, but when you ignore times when the composing process and difficulties with the studio is actually discussed from credible sources, it speaks of someone who has a serious grudge instead of having any legitimate grievances with the system. If this sounds too unreasonable as an observation, then I really don't know what to say that wouldn't be us regurgitating the same points.
MikeH reacted to Naïve Old Fart in John Williams' DISASTER MOVIE SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION (Poseidon Adventure, Towering Inferno, Earthquake) 4CD Box Set from La-La Land Records
Not true, dude.
I would say that the "John Williams sound", as we know it, started with the likes of HOW TO STEAL A MILLION, and HEIDI, and continued with THE REIVERS, and THE COWBOYS.
As I've said; there are traces of THE TOWERING INFERNO in THE EIGER SANCTION, THE FURY, and DRACULA, as well as STAR WARS and SUPERMAN.
The Disaster box is worth getting, @Trope, even if it's an investment.
Nice to see you back, @MikeH.
Great avatar, as always
MikeH reacted to Jay in Williams conducts at Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny US premiere
New video with closeups
MikeH reacted to lairdo in Williams conducts at Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny US premiere
Yes, I thought was interesting too! Glad he had the cataracts removed. I hear from others who have had that it is truly altering to see more colors. I hope JW is getting the joy of that experience.
Really, there was way too much going on to even process everything. With my fellow IndyCasters who I have not seen since 2020 (or even longer ago), being out on the red carpet. Getting to meet Ke Huy Quan (Short Round) after the movie. The person who organizes these events for Disney is married to one of my former students, and that person spotted me in photos from the organizer and then told him to go meet me, to being steps from one of the actresses in the film.
Still, while I had predicted the appearance of the Maestro to play music, by the time the event started, I had forgotten about that and then the curtain rose to reveal him and 80+ musicians.
In terms of the music in the film and without giving spoilers (other than locations but all of which are in the trailer): First off, it's generally audible most of the time it plays. There is a lot of it as Mangold has told us, and still there are some action sequences where no music was used (not dissimilar to Star Wars when the music drops out). I do suspect those moments had music scored for them and the absence now was editorial. (I'm already pining for unreleased music!) The first 20% of the which takes place in the 40s is pretty much all scored and many old themes and motifs from the franchise can be heard winding their way through the action. I'm not entirely sure when we get to hear this separately (if we do) that it will feel very coherent though as I got a sense of jumping around a bit. It works in the movie though, and I wonder about it as a listening experience without the film.
As I hoped and guessed on our recent podcast, the sound and music of the era made appearances at times including one key early moment as the movie transitioned to 1969. That is not at all a decision by JW - it was clearly in the script as the music diegetic - but in terms of the overall score of the picture it worked. Generally after that the score charted to some new areas and themes. Helena's music is very differently used than say Marion's theme and different pieces of it the suite we have heard since last summer show up in the right spots with varying orchestrations, tempos and blends with other themes. I liked that. This felt similar to how the Solo suite was used as a basis for numerous moments in that film. Of course the difference being JW's own use of his themes vs. Powell's (which was still quite good).
There are plenty of action sequences and one in particular was scored in a manner that JW would have done in the late 60's or early 70's. I felt vibes of Lalo Schifrin and some amount of homage to The French Connection and similar films set in NY in that era. I found that refreshing although perhaps a bit of an oddity compared to to the rest of the score.
Definitely heard shades of Tintin when the film was in North Africa which was either how JW scores all those locales or was his own homage to his past work. I suspect the former. It was not a straight lift or anything blatant and worked with the action.
Probably missing for me was a clear statement of themes for the Dial itself (although I think it is there) or Voller, the main bad guy.
A few times, clearly Mangold just let the music dominate as much as the visuals would allow. Not to the level of Spielberg (e.g. the Truck Chase, Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra, the jungle chase stuff in Skull), but not as infrequent as in the recent Star Wars films.
Overall, highly satisfied and looking forward to whatever we get on the soundtrack (which is going to woefully inadequate unless there is a surprised deluxe digital version) and looking forward to deciding where this sits amongst the other 4 films.